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Post by fretslider on Feb 20, 2010 10:51:21 GMT
i seem to recall hearing somewhere that he accepted millions of dollars that he was paid for being mr clean so, is it now your contention that it is okay to not do the job you're being paid for? Tiger is a billionaire at least, which is fine, but he made most of it out of the clean image that sports companies love to promote. Its in the game..... A Nike commercial An interesting metaphor And the downright bizarre Going by his mea culpa, he shows no sign of shying away from the kind of exposure he's become accustomed to.
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Post by firedancer on Feb 20, 2010 12:43:48 GMT
Call me cynical but what made me nauseous about his public hairshirting was the feeling I had that the only things he was really sorry for was that he got caught and that he has lost a lot of his sponsorship. So his thought behind it was probably, hey, if a spectacular grovel can gain back a few millions/billions go for it.
I couldn't care less about his sex life - a lot of alpha sportsmen appear to be pathetic sexual incontinents. So he's a hypocritical little turd with is 'family values'. What's new? We have our own little 'hero' in John Terry don't we? ;D
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Post by Ben Lomond on Feb 20, 2010 15:15:34 GMT
Can't help but wonder how many of Tigers male critics have never strayed from the marital path themselves? OK. He has treated his wife abysmally; but that is a matter to be sorted out between them, and I hope she dumps him and takes him for as much as she can get. The REAL motivation for this mea culpa sob fest is simply that to many firms, the Tiger Woods brand means big profits, and they would like to get it back on track. Cynical...who...moi???
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 20, 2010 15:46:53 GMT
Can't help but wonder how many of Tigers male critics have never strayed from the marital path themselves? OK. He has treated his wife abysmally; but that is a matter to be sorted out between them, and I hope she dumps him and takes him for as much as she can get. The REAL motivation for this mea culpa sob fest is simply that to many firms, the Tiger Woods brand means big profits, and they would like to get it back on track. Cynical...who...moi??? there's nothing cynical about reality. still, while there is never an excuse for ANYONE cheating, the fact remains that the majority of trash who do have not set themselves up as someone to be emulated, and received millions of dollars from their hypocrisy
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Post by june on Feb 20, 2010 16:26:29 GMT
He plays golf very well and earns money from it - I have no issue with that. He hasn't received money for being monogamous husband of the year as far as I recall and quite frankly he could get his jollies by hitting his old chap with a mallet for all I care, I didn't marry him!
The only people affected by all the brouhaha is his family - I feel for them but no one else.
I am sure no one would like their life to be put under too much scrutiny so all the 'ya booing' from the media and others is where the real hypocrisy lies.
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Post by beth on Feb 20, 2010 16:54:35 GMT
i seem to recall hearing somewhere that he accepted millions of dollars that he was paid for being mr clean so, is it now your contention that it is okay to not do the job you're being paid for? Hold on. Remind me why we should be so deeply concerned about the poor corporations taking a chance on this guy and losing. Did he sign a contract swearing he'd never do anything that might harm his public image? If so, that's between him and his sponsors. Not my business. If not (and if you know better, cough up a source), what are you raving about?
June, I agree his family has my sympathy as well . . . nobody else.
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Post by beth on Feb 20, 2010 17:20:42 GMT
Tiger is a billionaire at least, which is fine, but he made most of it out of the clean image that sports companies love to promote. Its in the game.....
Well . . . perhaps he won't be making all those billions in the future. He has only himself to blame. The ones who will suffer for it are his children - well, probably not exactly suffer, but make out less well. That's too bad but not my concern. This all reminds me of a person I know in RT - an old friend, actually, who was one of our neighborhood dodge-ball, hide-n-seek gang, growing up in a leafy green, small town in KY.. He was a cute kid who grew into an attractive adult, and, somewhere inbetween, a recognized athlete . . . an all-around jock. He excelled at one sport in-particular, and if I mentioned his name, at least a couple of people who read here might know who I mean. Anyway, after college, he went on to pursue a career in another field, but that sports figure is who he remained under the skin. The point is, he was guilty of the "Tiger Woods" syndrome, which I've also heard called the Romeo Syndrome. The gist of this is that the excitement is mostly generated from the possibility of getting caught doing something inappropriate enough to wreck the life of the person in question. My friend has gone through 4 wives and several children - each time, losing what he has for compulsory cheating. Those of us who know him well still have great affection for him, but that's in spite of his personal faults and weaknesses. He's brought a good amount of misery to several people, though, and he has to live with that. I ran into an old teacher the other day and we had coffee together and talked about several mutual acquaintances. She said, "I see Dr. ____ _________ sometimes and he's just as handsome and nice as when he was a boy. But, I'm so sorry he's been unlucky in love." And, I was stunned at her assessment. Unlucky? No. Incapable of maintaining a relationship - yes. But, I just shook my head and changed the subject. Tiger's just a guy with problems. Not so different from many, many others. Shake your head if you must, but don't let it get to you.
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Post by fretslider on Feb 20, 2010 17:31:36 GMT
Tiger is a billionaire at least, which is fine, but he made most of it out of the clean image that sports companies love to promote. Its in the game..... Well . . . perhaps he won't be making all those billions in the future. He has only himself to blame. The ones who will suffer for it are his children - well, probably not exactly suffer, but make out less well. That's too bad but not my concern. This all reminds me of a person I know in RT - an old friend, actually, who was one of our neighborhood dodge-ball, hide-n-seek gang, growing up in a leafy green, small town in KY.. He was a cute kid who grew into an attractive adult, and, somewhere inbetween, a recognized athlete . . . an all-around jock. He excelled at one sport in-particular, and if I mentioned his name, at least a couple of people who read here might know who I mean. Anyway, after college, he went on to pursue a career in another field, but that sports figure is who he remained under the skin. The point is, he was guilty of the "Tiger Woods" syndrome, which I've also heard called the Romeo Syndrome. The gist of this is that the excitement is mostly generated from the possibility of getting caught doing something inappropriate enough to wreck the life of the person in question. My friend has gone through 4 wives and several children - each time, losing what he has for compulsory cheating. Those of us who know him well still have great affection for him, but that's in spite of his personal faults and weaknesses. He's brought a good amount of misery to several people, though, and he has to live with that. I ran into an old teacher the other day and we had coffee together and talked about several mutual acquaintances. She said, "I see Dr. ____ _________ sometimes and he's just as handsome and nice as when he was a boy. But, I'm so sorry he's been unlucky in love." And, I was stunned at her assessment. Unlucky? No. Incapable of maintaining a relationship - yes. But, I just shook my head and changed the subject. Tiger's just a guy with problems. Not so different from many, many others. Shake your head if you must, but don't let it get to you. Perhaps if he had made a conscious effort to deal with his personal private life privately it would have been better for us all. But in the end he decided to make a lot of us feel sick with that over the top contrition.
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Post by beth on Feb 20, 2010 17:57:12 GMT
Perhaps if he had made a conscious effort to deal with his personal private life privately it would have been better for us all. But in the end he decided to make a lot of us feel sick with that over the top contrition. I agree the major media mea culpa was pretty rank. He has to live with that. This may all be tough on folks who held him in high esteem, but I had no particular opinion of him aside from his golf game, so it doesn't affect me. I think that's all I meant from the first post here - just took too many words to say it.
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 20, 2010 18:10:12 GMT
i seem to recall hearing somewhere that he accepted millions of dollars that he was paid for being mr clean so, is it now your contention that it is okay to not do the job you're being paid for? Hold on. Remind me why we should be so deeply concerned about the poor corporations taking a chance on this guy and losing. Did he sign a contract swearing he'd never do anything that might harm his public image? If so, that's between him and his sponsors. Not my business. If not (and if you know better, cough up a source), what are you raving about? June, I agree his family has my sympathy as well . . . nobody else. there IS a morality clause in all endorsement contracts. i don't like golf, and golfers are pretty much independent contractors, so i don't know if there are behavior rules with the pga. there are in football of course, which is why pacman jones and terrell owens have had their butts booted around. you know damm well that i could care less how badly the corporations might suffer. if that was the only issue, his stupidity would be a good thing. i just can't believe that you and june think that it is such a wonderful idea for a hero to be preaching to kids that cheating on your wife is a wonderful thing
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Post by fretslider on Feb 20, 2010 18:10:59 GMT
Perhaps if he had made a conscious effort to deal with his personal private life privately it would have been better for us all. But in the end he decided to make a lot of us feel sick with that over the top contrition. I agree the major media mea culpa was pretty rank. He has to live with that. This may all be tough on folks who held him in high esteem, but I had no particular opinion of him aside from his golf game, so it doesn't affect me. I think that's all I meant from the first post here - just took too many words to say it. All that for a golfer, eh!
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 20, 2010 18:12:38 GMT
He plays golf very well and earns money from it - I have no issue with that. He hasn't received money for being monogamous husband of the year as far as I recall and quite frankly he could get his jollies by hitting his old chap with a mallet for all I care, I didn't marry him! The only people affected by all the brouhaha is his family - I feel for them but no one else. I am sure no one would like their life to be put under too much scrutiny so all the 'ya booing' from the media and others is where the real hypocrisy lies. of course, that's not even remotely close to being true. EVERY kid, without exception, who wants to grow up to be the next tiger woods is affected by it, and there are thousands of them
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Post by june on Feb 20, 2010 18:42:27 GMT
He plays golf very well and earns money from it - I have no issue with that. He hasn't received money for being monogamous husband of the year as far as I recall and quite frankly he could get his jollies by hitting his old chap with a mallet for all I care, I didn't marry him! The only people affected by all the brouhaha is his family - I feel for them but no one else. I am sure no one would like their life to be put under too much scrutiny so all the 'ya booing' from the media and others is where the real hypocrisy lies. of course, that's not even remotely close to being true. EVERY kid, without exception, who wants to grow up to be the next tiger woods is affected by it, and there are thousands of them Perhaps that is more a US thing - I know of no children who want to be Tiger Woods. But then we have football and the English are not very well disposed to living heros in my expereince.
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 20, 2010 19:01:49 GMT
of course, that's not even remotely close to being true. EVERY kid, without exception, who wants to grow up to be the next tiger woods is affected by it, and there are thousands of them Perhaps that is more a US thing - I know of no children who want to be Tiger Woods. But then we have football and the English are not very well disposed to living heros in my expereince. at just one school where they interviewed a bunch of kids on the news last night, there were more than a dozen who had idolized woods. multiply that by every school in america
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Post by beth on Feb 20, 2010 19:48:32 GMT
Perhaps if he had made a conscious effort to deal with his personal private life privately it would have been better for us all. But in the end he decided to make a lot of us feel sick with that over the top contrition. I agree the major media mea culpa was pretty rank. He has to live with that. This may all be tough on folks who held him in high esteem, but I had no particular opinion of him aside from his golf game, so it doesn't affect me. I think that's all I meant from the first post here - just took too many words to say it. All that for a golfer, eh! lol More like all that for the obvious - spoiled sports heroes and other celebrities are a lot like everyone else, but sometimes more so becuz they start to believe their own hype. Plus, my peeve is mostly with the media. They create these gods and at first chance, plow them under.
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Post by beth on Feb 20, 2010 19:52:28 GMT
at just one school where they interviewed a bunch of kids on the news last night, there were more than a dozen who had idolized woods. multiply that by every school in america and, it doesn't occur to you that the "they" who did the interviewing are busy as bees creating the images of down hearted, disillusioned youth? tabloid journalism.
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 20, 2010 21:04:10 GMT
at just one school where they interviewed a bunch of kids on the news last night, there were more than a dozen who had idolized woods. multiply that by every school in america and, it doesn't occur to you that the "they" who did the interviewing are busy as bees creating the images of down hearted, disillusioned youth? tabloid journalism. hardly, but nonetheless, it was cbs. no one has to "create" images of anything. i remember the shock and horror from teenage girls when they found out that britney spears smokes. the disillusionment is real when idols choose to fall
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Post by beth on Feb 21, 2010 1:06:55 GMT
at just one school where they interviewed a bunch of kids on the news last night, there were more than a dozen who had idolized woods. multiply that by every school in america and, it doesn't occur to you that the "they" who did the interviewing are busy as bees creating the images of down hearted, disillusioned youth? tabloid journalism. hardly, but nonetheless, it was cbs. no one has to "create" images of anything. i remember the shock and horror from teenage girls when they found out that britney spears smokes. the disillusionment is real when idols choose to fall no, tabloid journalism is a style, not a publication and, Gods know, CBS is as capable of dishing it out as the National Enquirer. How old WERE these girls again? If a girl over 10 was shocked or (give me a break) horrified to find out BS smokes, *I* would be seriously shocked.
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 21, 2010 15:53:05 GMT
hardly, but nonetheless, it was cbs. no one has to "create" images of anything. i remember the shock and horror from teenage girls when they found out that britney spears smokes. the disillusionment is real when idols choose to fall no, tabloid journalism is a style, not a publication and, Gods know, CBS is as capable of dishing it out as the National Enquirer. How old WERE these girls again? If a girl over 10 was shocked or (give me a break) horrified to find out BS smokes, *I* would be seriously shocked. you get to be shocked, it was all over the forums, still is. since most of the forums require you to be 13, none of them were under ten. actually, the vast majority of them are twenty somethings. it isn't just her either. there are a couple of fashion forums where people become shocked because they discover that a new model smokes, or uses drugs, or anything else. every time some celebrity, of any kind, does something stupid, there are hundreds, thousands, who are out there with the, "oh, i never thought he/she would ever do that" you really need to get out more
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