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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 20, 2010 11:57:57 GMT
moi, a bible thumper? i hardly think so laddie. Well this statement: Er, you are not a religous nut, you just follow (for the most part) the bible! That makes you a bible nutjob in my book. Yes, that is rather typical of the religous nut. You feel able to talk about the shortcommings of others, but your own sins are strictly off limits? i have, more than once, stated that it is wrong. But not wrong enough for you to have stopped though? Those parts of the bible that condemn sex outside marriage can be left to one side, but other parts are to be taken as read? So 'an eye for an eye' is to be taken at face value, and 'man must not lie with man' goes without saying, but sex outside of marriage? Yeah well, nobody's perfect? Yeah right? If a Christian had slept with 118 gay men, but admitted it was wrong would he still had been a Christian? if someone who called himself a christian sucked ONE dyck, he would not be a christian, but again, max nix. the fact that i am so much smarter than you STILL does NOT change the fact that we are NOT talking about religion.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 20, 2010 12:02:15 GMT
I find both activities equally disgusting and unnatural. As far as one particular activity is concerned, ladies do NOT possess the natural equipment to penetrate so are forced to resort to object insertion and strapping devices on their body. Men and women are two halves of one whole; both are incomplete without the other. That is the law of nature, I am afraid. as in how it is, always has been, and always will be. it's just simple reality that two of the same sex are halves of absolutely NOTHING
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 20, 2010 12:04:25 GMT
So, you condemn a book as 'stupid' because everyone lives happily ever after? Well you may as well condemn the entire canon of Disney/90% of Hollywood on the same basis! Why? Yes in the "classical fairy tales" there is a "happily ever after", but these stories are full of phantasy and imagination and often so unreal that they can't be taken seriously, even by a child. The "King & King" is just dull dribble with a PC agenda!
A fairy tale limerick like "Little Miss Muffit" is amusing, creative and deals with things children face in their world, like the fear of spiders and other insects.
In response to your final question you could answer it for yourself, if you looked at the book. The book is linguistically too advanced for pre teen children. The works of Shakespeare are also too advanced. Why can't children just live their childhood? Why this need to indoctrinate them with PC mania?
because, unfortunately, it appears that the abjectly stupid who live on pc are a scourge that will be with us for awhile
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 20, 2010 12:08:22 GMT
I find both activities equally disgusting and unnatural. As far as one particular activity is concerned, ladies do NOT possess the natural equipment to penetrate so are forced to resort to object insertion and strapping devices on their body. Men and women are two halves of one whole; both are incomplete without the other. That is the law of nature, I am afraid. Whether or not you find it disgusting or even unnatural is not really the point nor is the 'equipment' they have or don't have relevant either. The fact of the matter is that for millions of British people, right reason or none, they would rather have sex with members of their own sex. They want this irrespective of what the rest of us think and to them it is the most natural thing in the World, again irrespective of what we think. They do not see this concept of two male/female havles equaling one hetrosexual whole and there is NOTHING you, Jumbo, Anna or anyone else can do to change that. Gay people are everywhere. They are in the police, army, teaching, medicine, banking, lawyers, sport, arts and everything in between. They are here and they are here to stay. During various times in the past homosexuality has been treated as a serious crime and nothing promoted it. Yet, despite this there are numerous examples of homosexuality in our society. So sweeping it under the carpet did not work. Muslim Countries have the death penalty for homosexuals, yet there are still gay people in these Countries. Can you think of anything that is proven to work? Given that they are here and they cannot or will not change and have been here for hundreds if not thousands of years, why is pretending that they don't exist an option? We have to acknowledge that they exist and we need to teach children that too, given that ten per cent of them will (whatever reason) be gay, don't we have a duty to explain to them what is happening to them? for about the thirtieth time my boy, NO ONE has said that kids, when they are old enough, shouldn't be taught that the evil exists. those of us who have some morals and have it right, simply don't want lunatics teaching kids that it is okay
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Post by jean on Jan 20, 2010 13:35:38 GMT
Men and women are two halves of one whole; both are incomplete without the other. That is the law of nature, I am afraid. as in how it is, always has been, and always will be. it's just simple reality that two of the same sex are halves of absolutely NOTHING The image of the sphere cut in two, each half always seeking for its 'other half', comes of course from Aristophanes' speech in Plato's Symposium.But he doesn't tell it quite as you do: "...In the first place, let me treat of the nature of man and what has happened to it. The original human nature was not like the present, but different. The sexes were not two as they are now, but originally three in number; there was man, woman, and the union of the two, of which the name survives but nothing else. Once it was a distinct kind, with a bodily shape and a name of its own, constituted by the union of the male and the female: but now only the word 'androgynous' is preserved, and that as a term of reproach.
In the second place, the primeval man was round, his back and sides forming a circle; and he had four hands and the same number of feet, one head with two faces, looking opposite ways, set on a round neck and precisely alike; also four ears, two privy members, and the remainder to correspond. He could walk upright as men now do, backwards or forwards as he pleased, and he could also roll over and over at a great pace, turning on his four hands and four feet, eight in all, like tumblers going over and over with their legs in the air; this was when he wanted to run fast.
Now the sexes were three, and such as I have described them; because the sun, moon, and earth are three; and the man was originally the child of the sun, the woman of the earth, and the man-woman of the moon, which is made up of sun and earth, and they were all round and moved round and round because they resembled their parents. Terrible was their might and strength, and the thoughts of their hearts were great, and they made an attack upon the gods; of them is told the tale of Otys and Ephialtes who, as Homer says, attempted to scale heaven, and would have laid hands upon the gods.
Doubt reigned in the celestial councils. Should they kill them and annihilate the race with thunderbolts, as they had done the giants, then there would be an end of the sacrifices and worship which men offered to them; but, on the other hand, the gods could not suffer their insolence to be unrestrained. At last, after a good deal of reflection, Zeus discovered a way.
He said: 'Methinks I have a plan which will enfeeble their strength and so extinguish their turbulence; men shall continue to exist, but I will cut them in two and then they will be diminished in strength and increased in numbers; this will have the advantage of making them more profitable to us. They shall walk upright on two legs, and if they continue insolent and will not be quiet, I will split them again and they shall hop about on a single leg.'
He spoke and cut men in two, like a sorb-apple which is halved for pickling, or as you might divide an egg with a hair; and as he cut them one after another, he bade Apollo give the face and the half of the neck a turn in order that man might contemplate the section of himself: he would thus learn a lesson of humility. Apollo was also bidden to heal their wounds and compose their forms. So he gave a turn to the face and pulled the skin from the sides all over that which in our language is called the belly, like the purses which draw tight, and he made one mouth at the centre, which he fastened in a knot (the same which is called the navel); he also moulded the breast and took out most of the wrinkles, much as a shoemaker might smooth leather upon a last; he left a few, however, in the region of the belly and navel, as a memorial of the primeval state.
After the division the two parts of man, each desiring his other half, came together, and throwing their arms about one another, entwined in mutual embraces, longing to grow into one, they began to die from hunger and self-neglect, because they did not like to do anything apart; and when one of the halves died and the other survived, the survivor sought another mate, man or woman as we call them,--being the sections of entire men or women,--and clung to that.
Thus they were being destroyed, when Zeus in pity invented a new plan: he turned the parts of generation round to the front, for this had not been always their position, and they sowed the seed no longer as hitherto like grasshoppers in the ground, but in one another; and after the transposition the male generated in the female in order that by the mutual embraces of man and woman they might breed, and the race might continue; or if man came to man they might be satisfied, and rest, and go their ways to the business of life. So ancient is the desire of one another which is implanted in us, reuniting our original nature, seeking to make one of two, and to heal the state of man.
Each of us when separated, having one side only, like a flat fish, is but the tally-half of a man, and he is always looking for his other half. Men who are a section of that double nature which was once called androgynous are lovers of women; adulterers are generally of this breed, and also adulterous women who lust after men. The women who are a section of the woman do not care for men, but have female attachments; the female companions are of this sort. But they who are a section of the male follow the male, and while they are young, being slices of the original man, they have affection for men and embrace them, and these are the best of boys and youths, because they have the most manly nature..."www.anselm.edu/homepage/dbanach/sym.htm
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jan 20, 2010 14:27:30 GMT
Yes in the "classical fairy tales" there is a "happily ever after", but these stories are full of phantasy and imagination and often so unreal that they can't be taken seriously, even by a child. The "King & King" is just dull dribble with a PC agenda!
What gives you the right to describe anything as 'dull dribble'? What is the 'PC' agenda here? And what makes it 'PC' You miss the point of my question. You said that all books on this subject should be aimed at high school children. My 'why' was directed at why you think that? Dearest RV! Take another look at this fairy tale "King & King" You have to admit this story would be flop as a fairy tale, even in the eyes of the PC popes, if the Prince chose the Princess and not her brother. This story is dull dribble-period!! The PC agenda people are interested in promoting "tolerance"and"understanding". The K&K book is a flop here too. It's just an attempt to make children aware that they can develope as a homosexual as well. This stupid fairy tale serves that end and none other! In PC terms it's suggesting and promoting an "alternate life style" to children! YUK!
Why can't children just live their childhood? Why this need to indoctrinate them with PC mania?
Why do you think throwing the term 'PC' validates a statement? Who is stopping children living their childhood? Who is trying to indoctrinate children? And with what exactly? The notion that some people in society are gay? That is true, millions of people ARE gay and are not going away either? Do you thing pretending otherwise will have the slightest effect on the gay population? I agree that we need to shield children from things before they get to 18. I would ban adverts for childrens toys and I would ban children from church too. I would make it illegal to teach children about the army as well, but real life? Why? Why not promote a fairy tale about left handed people then?? They are also about 10% of the population. Why this fixation on promoting homosexual fairy tales? If the homosexual percentage of children, indoctrinated with homosexual fairy tales ending happily ever after, rises to say 20% i feel every indoctrinated child unhappy with his/her homosexual development would have the right to sue the bigoted PC Massachusetts school authorities for damages and abuse! We want healthy education for children and not unhealthy indoctrination and propaganda for lonely anti-family life styles!
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Post by randomvioce on Jan 20, 2010 14:59:16 GMT
if someone who called himself a christian sucked ONE dyck, he would not be a christian, but again, max nix. Er, what about having sex with one woman he is not married to? Can he be a Christian? If there is a difference, what is it?
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Post by randomvioce on Jan 20, 2010 15:14:07 GMT
for about the thirtieth time my boy, NO ONE has said that kids, when they are old enough, shouldn't be taught that the evil exists. those of us who have some morals and have it right, simply don't want lunatics teaching kids that it is okay Eh? Who The duck are you to describe anybody as 'evil'? If someone is gay at the age of fifteen, what gives a backward redneck the right to say 'hey! You are evil'? Try and understand something there are MILLIONS of normal, decent American who are gay and that ain't going to change. Describing them as 'evil' or perverted ain't gonna change them either, what is more they are comming out of the closet in greater numbers and there is NOTHING you can do about it. I suppose that is why you and people like still harp on about this. You guys have lost the argument, the reality is that the gay community have got the foot in the door and you guys can do nothing to stop them. Sure you can win the odd battle here and there and you can stall progress but you will never push homosexuality back into closet. For all your screeching and hollering the tide is turning, slowly but surely, the barriers are comming down. Live with it Jumbo, because it is comming whether you like it or not.
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Post by randomvioce on Jan 20, 2010 16:03:36 GMT
The PC agenda people are interested in promoting "tolerance"and"understanding"
Yes, those freaks with “their tolerance and understanding” these people are really beyond the pale. Get a grip, Anna! How could anyone possibly object to teaching ‘tolerance and understanding’? Who sits there and says ‘the kids are learning and understanding!!!! String the teacher up!’ Good grief! You people need to sit over this side and get a laughs at yourself!
It's just an attempt to make children aware that they can develope as a homosexual as well. Yes, so? That is true, children CAN and in many cases, DO develop into homosexuals. Why is wrong to explain that to children?
In PC terms it's suggesting and promoting an "alternate life style" to children! YUK! Promoting and suggesting? How? Who is going to consider a gay lifestyle if they are straight? Why not promote a fairy tale about left handed people then?? They are also about 10% of the population. Why this fixation on promoting homosexual fairy tales?
If there is a widespread hatred of left-handed people and a general failure to fully accept them into society then we would need books like that. There are books for children designed to explain divorce, bereavement, single parent families, adoption, step brothers-sisters-parents, even hospital stays and a whole lot of difficult aspects of life.
If the homosexual percentage of children, indoctrinated with homosexual fairy tales ending happily ever after, rises to say 20% i feel every indoctrinated child unhappy with his/her homosexual development would have the right to sue the bigoted PC Massachusetts school authorities for damages and abuse! What is your bottom line here? Are you somehow trying to suggest that these books could drive children into being homosexual? That is total clown shoes Anna! It tells us all we need to know about the mentality of the anti gay lobby. One minute we are told the being straight is the normal default, hardwired into every fibre of our being, the next, we are told that being straight is so fragile that it can be totally wiped out by a book!!!!! Tell me Anna, how did the likes of Frankie Howard, John Inman and Kenny Everett manage to get turned gay despite never having read a single gay fairy tale? We want healthy education for children and not unhealthy indoctrination and propaganda for lonely anti-family life styles! How gave you the right to call anything ‘unhealthy indoctrination and propaganda’? What is ‘unhealthy’ about explaining to children that homosexuals exists and how are children being indoctrinated and what part of this is propaganda? Anti family? How can this book be called ‘anti family’? Surely if people are gay they can still be part of a family?
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Post by Big Lin on Jan 20, 2010 17:18:30 GMT
RV, I'm only going to comment on one point in your thread.
My husband Mike is 20 years older than me and not only privately educated (unlike me!) but also went to school at a time when there WAS widespread prejudice against left-handers.
I'm left-handed but mercifully by the time I went to school they'd stopped treating it as some sort of illness.
Mike is left-handed in nearly everything but at school he was rapped over the knuckles with a ruler as a child if he tried to write with his left hand.
The result was that: a) he has terrible handwriting which is why he learned to type; b) he has a stammer sometimes when he talks because of being forced to write with his weaker hand out of some stupid idea that 'right is best.'
We've both let our own children develop naturally and Lou (well, he has certain problems but on the dexterity side it looks as if he's ambidextrous) and Sara is definitely a southpaw.
What difference does it make what hand you write with? It's crazy.
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Post by riotgrrl on Jan 20, 2010 17:25:57 GMT
What difference does it make what hand you write with? It's crazy. What difference does it make which gender you fancy? It's crazy.
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Post by riotgrrl on Jan 20, 2010 17:27:31 GMT
By the way, I'm as confused as Random Voice as to what exactly is 'pc' about 'tolerance and understanding'?
That seems a strange comment indeed.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 20, 2010 17:27:37 GMT
for about the thirtieth time my boy, NO ONE has said that kids, when they are old enough, shouldn't be taught that the evil exists. those of us who have some morals and have it right, simply don't want lunatics teaching kids that it is okay Eh? Who The duck are you to describe anybody as 'evil'? If someone is gay at the age of fifteen, what gives a backward redneck the right to say 'hey! You are evil'? Try and understand something there are MILLIONS of normal, decent American who are gay and that ain't going to change. Describing them as 'evil' or perverted ain't gonna change them either, what is more they are comming out of the closet in greater numbers and there is NOTHING you can do about it. I suppose that is why you and people like still harp on about this. You guys have lost the argument, the reality is that the gay community have got the foot in the door and you guys can do nothing to stop them. Sure you can win the odd battle here and there and you can stall progress but you will never push homosexuality back into closet. For all your screeching and hollering the tide is turning, slowly but surely, the barriers are comming down. Live with it Jumbo, because it is comming whether you like it or not. you really need to get over your fantasy that we don't already know the evil that has been destroying society for the past forty years or so. we only need look around at the lunacy that the imbecillic notion of political correctness has wrought to see it. of course it is not just gays. that is simply a symptom of the deeper evil. unfortunately, you are correct on the one point. as society degenerates more and more, ever more people will be sucked into the idiocy.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 20, 2010 17:29:14 GMT
if someone who called himself a christian sucked ONE dyck, he would not be a christian, but again, max nix. Er, what about having sex with one woman he is not married to? Can he be a Christian? If there is a difference, what is it? of course he can, butr it is a sin which he must ask forgiveness for in order to be a christian
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Post by riotgrrl on Jan 20, 2010 17:37:05 GMT
Eh? Who The duck are you to describe anybody as 'evil'? If someone is gay at the age of fifteen, what gives a backward redneck the right to say 'hey! You are evil'? Try and understand something there are MILLIONS of normal, decent American who are gay and that ain't going to change. Describing them as 'evil' or perverted ain't gonna change them either, what is more they are comming out of the closet in greater numbers and there is NOTHING you can do about it. I suppose that is why you and people like still harp on about this. You guys have lost the argument, the reality is that the gay community have got the foot in the door and you guys can do nothing to stop them. Sure you can win the odd battle here and there and you can stall progress but you will never push homosexuality back into closet. For all your screeching and hollering the tide is turning, slowly but surely, the barriers are comming down. Live with it Jumbo, because it is comming whether you like it or not. you really need to get over your fantasy that we don't already know the evil that has been destroying society for the past forty years or so. we only need look around at the lunacy that the imbecillic notion of political correctness has wrought to see it. of course it is not just gays. that is simply a symptom of the deeper evil. unfortunately, you are correct on the one point. as society degenerates more and more, ever more people will be sucked into the idiocy. Yes. God darn those PC types, with their evil tolerance and understanding.
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Post by trubble on Jan 20, 2010 18:07:54 GMT
Men and women are two halves of one whole; both are incomplete without the other. That is the law of nature, I am afraid. So single people are disgusting too? This is bad news.
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Post by trubble on Jan 20, 2010 18:15:26 GMT
Of course, ''The Frog Prince'' has swayed many a nice kid to thoughts of bestiality. That is why I support the banning of it in schools. Think of the damage to the school hamster!
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Post by firedancer on Jan 20, 2010 18:26:30 GMT
Well, Iamjumbo...with 118 whose names you can remember + those you can't you must have spent an awful lot of time praying....or did you arrange a job lot with God? If so, did you qualify for a discount (10 fewer Our Fathers for bulk praying perhaps?)
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Post by randomvioce on Jan 20, 2010 19:04:55 GMT
My husband Mike is 20 years older than me and not only privately educated (unlike me!) but also went to school at a time when there WAS widespread prejudice against left-handers. Being left handed was looked down on, and if it was still widespread today I would expect books to be published.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 20, 2010 19:11:21 GMT
By the way, I'm as confused as Random Voice as to what exactly is 'pc' about 'tolerance and understanding'? That seems a strange comment indeed. poland had tolerance and understanding for germany in 1939. ask them
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