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Post by Lil Red Writing on Jan 9, 2010 23:36:26 GMT
If I could bother everyone for just one moment Id like your thoughts.
Please consider my blog- woman condemned- for a moment and if you would give me your thoughts on who the maor audience of it is in your opinion. Women writers? True crime enthusiests? Death penalty advocates/fighters? Sword fighting grandmothers?
Id like to hear others thoughts on what Im doing there. Thanks all. Kelly
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Post by Big Lin on Jan 10, 2010 0:02:51 GMT
Sword-fighting grandmothers? That's funny!
I'd probably say death penalty activists. I know that's why I first visited the site - I joined your forum and there was a link to your blog.
Maybe some of the members here could take a look and say their opinions. I'm probably too close to the subject - when you have real-life experience of murder up close and personal it tends to colour your view of the world a bit.
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Post by Lil Red Writing on Jan 10, 2010 13:51:53 GMT
Thanks Lin. Im asking because my agent for my book says I have to have a clearly defined audience and I just dont know who that is. Most of my hits come straight from the www.womenofdeathrow.com website so I wonder just why people look up the information at all.
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Post by Big Lin on Jan 10, 2010 16:50:53 GMT
I think it's because if you care about the subject and you find one place then it can lead you on to others and then others. I know I started online with just one site, then one of the members invited me to join hers, then I found two more sites out of that board, and so on.
I actually belong to about sixty different boards but only visit about a dozen or so regularly!
Good luck with the book by the way - what's it about if you don't mind me asking?
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jan 11, 2010 5:19:31 GMT
I confess to being uneasy about restricting the persons of interest to those, who received the death penalty. I'm not familar with the Florida case, where maybe the woman is being punished for the excesses of her male cohorts, but i'll look into it.
If Marianne Bachmeier or Elie Nesler got the DP, as some extremist pro DP supporters would have liked, i would have been very supportive in getting them not only off death row, but out of prison.
I don't want to have anything to do with the murderer of Bobbie Jo Stinett! Bobbie Jo fell victim to a new form of female predator murders. I firmly suppport the DP for Bobbie Jo's murderer. I notice that most anti-DP sites ccadp, cease, etc. generally give the truly evil death row murderers the silent treatment. I approve of that! Ignore them!
Reasonable doubt cases shouldn't be on death row as well as the clinically insane.
I could see supporting this woman, who murdered her rapist pimp and got a life sentence. There's a thread on this forum for her! God bless her! But these sites and blogs aren't interested in wrongful convictions, unless the death penalty is involved.
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Post by Lil Red Writing on Jan 11, 2010 22:10:04 GMT
Lin, the book is about the women on the row and their letters to me. Each chapter is on a different woman and includes her story and out letters. For the proposal I really need to know who it is that searches out my sitres and why they are interested. I dont think they are all interested in capital punishment and suspect many are jsut true crime buffs. Also, Im afraid I didnt really understand what Anna has said. Anna, do you mean you dont like the fact that the blog is only about the women on death row? Why would/does that make you uneasy? Which Florida case are you speaking of? Im not also not following what you mean by the Bobbie Jo Stinnet reference and its relation to my original question. Help!
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jan 11, 2010 23:03:19 GMT
Dearest Lil_Red I suppose the really worst of the worst on death row wouldn't send you anything giving truthful insights. Bobbie Jo Stinnett was murdered by a female predator, who cut her unborn baby from her womb and claimed it was hers. There have been at least a half dozen such murders in the US, all committed by females, since the film "Cord" also called "Hide and Seek" with Jennifer Tily came out. In this film a pregnant woman is kidnapped by a deranged couple, who wanted to murder her and claim the unborn child as their own.
I suppose crime buffs would be interested in any revealing information or admissions. I'm just saddened that the victim of these crimes is no more than a footnote, if the focus is on the killer.
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Post by Big Lin on Jan 12, 2010 17:24:14 GMT
Kelly, I can only speak for myself and the reason that I found you was through my membership of other death penalty groups and, eventually, your own forum. That was where I found the link to your blog.
I agree that there is a huge interest in true crime and that people are fascinated by death row and maybe particularly the women on it.
Anna, I know Kelly well enough to assure you that she cares very much about the victims of murder. She is also passionately opposed to capital punishment and I respect that. We may both disagree on the issue but we have always understood why we feel as we do and have given each other total respect for our different views.
I have also seen enough of her writing to know that any book she produced would be well worth reading and I would certainly buy a copy.
I've no idea if it will focus on all the women currently sentenced to death but I do know that it will bring fresh and revealing insights.
For what it's worth I have serious doubts about the guilt of Virginia Lazarlere and I also oppose the execution of Gail Owens since she was a domestic violence victim and I believe that a capital sentence for victims of those crimes is inappropriate.
Mary Winkler LIED about being abused (even some of the fiercest antis I know agree on that one.)
Gail really WAS abused and the proof is on file. Because Mary Winkler was a good con artist she got away with murder; because Gail was not she was sentenced to death.
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Post by Lil Red Writing on Jan 12, 2010 20:03:31 GMT
Maybe Its a cultural thing but I have a hard time understand your points Anna. Not trying to be rude at all, I want to understand you I just dont. Your statements seem confusing to me. I am familiar with the Bobbie Jo Stinnet Case. But still Im wondering where that came from to begin with. I think I understand you to say that you would like the victims point of view as well or instead of the murderers? If I am correct then I assure you that the reason I wish so badly to understand the murderes mind is to try to stop things like what happened to Bobbie Jo from happening to others. There were many, many other factors that went into the rise of women attacking other pregnant women besides that movie. If you delve into its really fascinating and another insite inot how the human mind works (or fails to). Thanks Lin. Im just trying to figure out why people visit the site in the first place. What are they interested in that brings them to the site. Crime buffs come, I know, but noy ust to find secret admissions. I think crime buffs are interested in crime not in some sic way but in the way most police and criminal justice majors are.
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Post by Big Lin on Jan 12, 2010 21:12:04 GMT
Have you got Virginia in the book, Kelly?
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jan 12, 2010 21:52:42 GMT
Maybe Its a cultural thing but I have a hard time understand your points Anna. Not trying to be rude at all, I want to understand you I just dont. Your statements seem confusing to me. I am familiar with the Bobbie Jo Stinnet Case. But still Im wondering where that came from to begin with. I think I understand you to say that you would like the victims point of view as well or instead of the murderers? If I am correct then I assure you that the reason I wish so badly to understand the murderes mind is to try to stop things like what happened to Bobbie Jo from happening to others. There were many, many other factors that went into the rise of women attacking other pregnant women besides that movie. If you delve into its really fascinating and another insite inot how the human mind works (or fails to). Thanks Lin. Im just trying to figure out why people visit the site in the first place. What are they interested in that brings them to the site. Crime buffs come, I know, but noy ust to find secret admissions. I think crime buffs are interested in crime not in some sic way but in the way most police and criminal justice majors are. Dearest Lil Red, I'm not trying to be rude either and you're certainly entitled to make a living with books like yours. I'm sure some of the DR woman haven't lost their humanity and have stories to tell. I know drugs like Crack and Meth can really mess people up and homicidal excesses may result. I believe in mitigating circumstances and wrongful convictions are a possibility too.
I know the survivors of a murder victim hope often that the murderer will reveal truthfully how their lost loved one was so wrongfully taken from them. Last words and even the horrors that they suffered. The thought that their loved one was alone and at the mercy of a killer is hard to bear. It's not morbidity that moves those who lost their loved one to want to know these things, but a wish to remain bonded and close to their loved one.
I do believe too that evil is a reality and scientists will never solve this or be able to constructively analyze this evil. I posted a link to a film called 8mm at the bottom of this page.. biglinmarshall.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=culture&thread=293&page=2
The director of this horror film probably shares my opinion about the worst of the worst. One of the characters tries to warn the detective, played by Nicolaus Cage to never try to get into the head of the devil because then the devil gets you. I agree very much with this viewpoint! If you watch this traumatizing film you'd probably understand my reservations or agree to disagree on whether or not evil can be replaced with an understandable scientific explanation.
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Post by Lil Red Writing on Jan 13, 2010 11:51:48 GMT
Hi Lin, No Virginia isnt in the book. She is no longer on death row. Anna, I thank you for all the omments youve made. Yes, Ive seen 8MM. Love nick cage.
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