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Post by pumpkinette on Sept 19, 2010 11:02:54 GMT
And by a curious coincidence, my daughter has just sent me a link to the following story. The newest Republican nominee for US Senate has been called "nutty" by even Karl Rove – and yet another controversial statement from her past has appeared.
Tea Party favorite Christine O’Donnell, who routed longtime Rep. Mike Castle (R-DE) in the Delaware Republican primary Tuesday night, years ago claimed that school shootings are caused by a lack of Bible and prayer studies in class.
“We took the Bible and prayer out of public schools, and now we're having weekly shootings practically,” O’Donnell, then a Christian activist, said in August 1998 during an appearance on ABC’s “Politically Incorrect.”
She didn't cite any sources and defended her statement when host Bill Maher and other guests scoffed. She prefaced: “My point is there are consequences to our actions, and if we as a nation tolerate sin, generations to come will reap the effects.”
O’Donnell is a fiercely pro-gun candidate who this month won the endorsement of the National Rifle Association for her Senate candidacy.Brilliant! You couldn't make this kind of stuff up! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D People DO have the right and SHOULD HAVE the right to say if they believe something is morally wrong. I'm sick and tired of this being laughed at, etc. The problem comes in if they try to LEGISLATE their beliefs. Things like masturbation aren't infringing on the will of anyone else or literally hurting people, stealing their property, fraud, etc. Despite this, people do and should have the right to say what they believe about it. People who have more traditional types of moral beliefs are very tired of being laughed at and made fun of. They SHOULD be.
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Post by pumpkinette on Sept 19, 2010 11:06:47 GMT
Please realize MUCH of tea party has been taken over by ###***. I HATE IT! Congressman Ron Paul, some of his supporters and many in the 9/11 Truth Movement started it and the EVIL Republican Party has hijacked it because they know what a threat it is to them! There's some ORIGINAL members still in it working for reform, like Ron Paul is working for reform in Republican Party. Please don't call them all crazy! It's NOT fair and I'm so tired of hearing it I could scream my head off. Also, the 1's in it who aren't neo-conservative ###*** and "Christians" who are practicing all kinds of heresies (mainly the EVIL Kingdom Now movement) are of MANY different views. Some are Democrats, some Republicans and many political independents (I'm 1 of those). Some belong to NO political parties. You may want to read up on the history of the movement and how it got corrupted before making blanket statements. The ONLY tea party group I would go to any meetings of is the coffee party movement started by Alex Jones. I think the ORIGINAL tea party people who are staying to reform it are great, but that big of a compromise I can't live with so I wouldn't go to any of their meetings. I have read up on the Tea Party movement's history. All I can tell you is that I don't live in the same country as you do, but from where I'm coming from, they appear nuts. They seem to lack any kind of consistency in their ideology, which is partly why they're so funny. I guess I appear "nuts" ( ) then for supporting the ORIGINAL members of the movement, the 1's who came from Ron Paul campaign, the 9/11 truthers (which I'm 1 of), etc. Please realize there's many reasonable people in the movement, even after it's been infiltrated/taken over by ###***. I also support any reasonable members of Coffee Party movement started by Alex Jones.
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Post by pumpkinette on Sept 19, 2010 11:10:19 GMT
Please realize MUCH of tea party has been taken over by ###***. I HATE IT! Congressman Ron Paul, some of his supporters and many in the 9/11 Truth Movement started it and the EVIL Republican Party has hijacked it because they know what a threat it is to them! There's some ORIGINAL members still in it working for reform, like Ron Paul is working for reform in Republican Party. Please don't call them all crazy! It's NOT fair and I'm so tired of hearing it I could scream my head off. Also, the 1's in it who aren't neo-conservative ###*** and "Christians" who are practicing all kinds of heresies (mainly the EVIL Kingdom Now movement) are of MANY different views. Some are Democrats, some Republicans and many political independents (I'm 1 of those). Some belong to NO political parties. You may want to read up on the history of the movement and how it got corrupted before making blanket statements. The ONLY tea party group I would go to any meetings of is the coffee party movement started by Alex Jones. I think the ORIGINAL tea party people who are staying to reform it are great, but that big of a compromise I can't live with so I wouldn't go to any of their meetings. I have read up on the Tea Party movement's history. All I can tell you is that I don't live in the same country as you do, but from where I'm coming from, they appear nuts. They seem to lack any kind of consistency in their ideology, which is partly why they're so funny. With your consistency remark, are you saying it bothers you there's so much variety with the people in the movement? Like how there's many political party types represented?
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Post by aubrey on Sept 19, 2010 11:16:59 GMT
O'Donnell can say what she wants. I'm glad she does, really. Better out than in, eh?
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Post by riotgrrl on Sept 19, 2010 14:55:23 GMT
I have read up on the Tea Party movement's history. All I can tell you is that I don't live in the same country as you do, but from where I'm coming from, they appear nuts. They seem to lack any kind of consistency in their ideology, which is partly why they're so funny. With your consistency remark, are you saying it bothers you there's so much variety with the people in the movement? Like how there's many political party types represented? No, that wasn't my point (although I can see how you could have taken that from it). I do get that the teaparty is a wide tent. I was thinking of inconsistency in some of the people involved. Two examples. Opposition to Obamacare as 'socialist', while demanding medicaid be protected, which has been described as the most socialist form of healthcare anywhere in the world. Holding that the constitution is sacrosanct when it comes to the right to bear arms, but at the same time believing it should be changed to prevent the offspring of illegal immigrants becoming automatic American citizens. So probably contradictory rather than inconsistent . . .
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Post by riotgrrl on Sept 19, 2010 14:58:15 GMT
And by a curious coincidence, my daughter has just sent me a link to the following story. The newest Republican nominee for US Senate has been called "nutty" by even Karl Rove – and yet another controversial statement from her past has appeared.
Tea Party favorite Christine O’Donnell, who routed longtime Rep. Mike Castle (R-DE) in the Delaware Republican primary Tuesday night, years ago claimed that school shootings are caused by a lack of Bible and prayer studies in class.
“We took the Bible and prayer out of public schools, and now we're having weekly shootings practically,” O’Donnell, then a Christian activist, said in August 1998 during an appearance on ABC’s “Politically Incorrect.”
She didn't cite any sources and defended her statement when host Bill Maher and other guests scoffed. She prefaced: “My point is there are consequences to our actions, and if we as a nation tolerate sin, generations to come will reap the effects.”
O’Donnell is a fiercely pro-gun candidate who this month won the endorsement of the National Rifle Association for her Senate candidacy.Brilliant! You couldn't make this kind of stuff up! ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D People DO have the right and SHOULD HAVE the right to say if they believe something is morally wrong. I'm sick and tired of this being laughed at, etc. The problem comes in if they try to LEGISLATE their beliefs. Things like masturbation aren't infringing on the will of anyone else or literally hurting people, stealing their property, fraud, etc. Despite this, people do and should have the right to say what they believe about it. People who have more traditional types of moral beliefs are very tired of being laughed at and made fun of. They SHOULD be. Oh come off it . . .how could you take seriously as a politician someone who comes out with this kind of nonsense? Of course everyone is entitled to their own moral beliefs (within the law), but when they stand on those beliefs and make them public in the political arena like this yes, they invite derision.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Sept 23, 2010 22:53:29 GMT
Definitely nutty. What's especially remarkable about this case is that she's a Republican. Almost all of the nutty ones are Democrats. I guess the Republican's are overdue to have a nut case on their side.
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Post by aubrey on Sept 24, 2010 17:51:04 GMT
Naturally.
Republicans are nearly all sensible.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Sept 25, 2010 0:19:19 GMT
Naturally. Republicans are nearly all sensible. Congratulations are in order Aubrey. You have finally made a sensible post on this board. Congratulations. It was a long time coming.
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Post by aubrey on Sept 25, 2010 9:04:02 GMT
Everyone thinks they're sensible. Thet's the point. You are not going to support a party that you think isn't sensible - no one would.
Actually (and this is fact, not an opinion) the Republican party are a bunch of flakes.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Sept 29, 2010 0:33:39 GMT
Aubrey - You have an upside down view of most issues. Like most liberals, you're wrong on everything. That's not surprising. You're a liberal. You're not expected to know anything.
Good news for you. I'm going on vacation for the next few weeks and don't expect to be posting on this board (though we may have internet connectivity sometimes). We're flying to Barcelona on Thursday, then on to Bilbao on Friday. We've rented a house near Bayonne France for a week. Then we go to Toulouse for another week. After that we drive to Barcelona for our return flight with a 3 day stopover near Girona enroute. We were in the Basque country about ten years ago and it was one of our best vacations. Hoping it won't disappoint this trip.
Hopefully Aubrey and Riotgrrl will be able to survive without my wisdom during this period. Doubtful I know, but hopeful.
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Post by riotgrrl on Sept 29, 2010 11:12:19 GMT
Aubrey - You have an upside down view of most issues. Like most liberals, you're wrong on everything. That's not surprising. You're a liberal. You're not expected to know anything. Aubrey, are you a liberal? I've never thought of you as being right wing and individualistic in the liberal tradition.
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Post by riotgrrl on Sept 29, 2010 11:15:12 GMT
Aubrey, there are some rational, sensible, grown-up people in the GOP. I think you're unfair to say they're all complete nutters.
But it is a very wide church.
I've never really understood how one poltiical party can contain both the classical laissez-faire liberalism of, say, Reagan and also the God-obsessed elitist authoritarianism of the likes of a Palin.
But then the Democrats too are the same. There is a huge crossover of ideology at the centre between right-wing Democrats and left-wing (relatively) Republicans. Then you get the nutty fringe in both parties.
American politics always seems very tribal. You pin your colours to one team and you stick with it.
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Post by aubrey on Sept 29, 2010 11:52:20 GMT
I think I am a liberal, the worst kind - a Pinko Liberal. And a social libertarian, but not an economic one (I want high taxes (income tax) and good, free services.)
I am liberal in the way BA says, I think. But I am also very sensible - just like everyone else. BA's version of good sense is taking money from poor people to give to the rich. I don't really know how that can be equated with good sense, but he does.
He also thinks it's good sense to spend a lot (an awful lot) of money on locking people up for possession of drugs. Again, I don't see how that can be thought of as good sense, but he does.
Have a good time, BA. Don't let yourself be corrupted by European politics.
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Post by firedancer on Sept 29, 2010 12:20:23 GMT
Aubrey: quote (And a social libertarian, but not an economic one (I want high taxes (income tax) and good, free services.) quote ** At the risk of being pedantic, there are no such things as free services - they are all paid for (by the people who pay these high taxes). Don't take that as a statement that I am against taxation for services. I'm not. But I think the idea that welfare, NHS etc. is "free" contributes to our rather careless take-it-for-granted attitude towards it. For example, people not turning up for GP or hospital appointments and not bothering to cancel, thus depriving others of an opportunity and making the system less efficient. I doubt those who do that sort of thing would do it if they had to pay a deposit - only refundable if they turn up or cancelled with decent notice. I know that is not practicable and would cost more to implement that it would raise. I am using it only to illustrate the principle that we would be less careless with our own money than we would with the state's so-called "free" services. ** Seems to be something wrong with the quote icon admin. It suddenly won't work without putting an http link in as well.
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Post by aubrey on Sept 29, 2010 19:44:47 GMT
Oh, I know that nothing is free. I meant - well, you know what I meant. But I do realise what I was saying. I am always very aware of what my treatment costs, for eg.
When I was working in the 80s, I was always disappointed when the tax I paid went down (and other things went up, or got worse).
My ideal system would involve responsibility on the part of the users, as well. Utopia, I know: but you need a goal.
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Oct 2, 2010 2:15:24 GMT
if "your" country tries to rob you off your money to sponsor punks and other anti socials with it then leave the damn country and move to a safe haven (like Switzerland, Singapore etc)
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Post by aubrey on Oct 2, 2010 10:49:29 GMT
Hey up, I was a punk. I was never anti-social. My pockets were (and still are) always full of sweet wrappers, etc, which I will not throw on the ground. etc etc.
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Post by Mo-DAWG on Oct 2, 2010 14:33:36 GMT
Hey up, I was a punk. I was never anti-social. My pockets were (and still are) always full of sweet wrappers, etc, which I will not throw on the ground. etc etc. Aubrey ... I used the word "punk" in a sense as americans use it .. not punk like punk rock .. cos thats where I come from too .. punk rock and cyber punk, so please don't get me wrong here ..
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Post by Big Lin on Oct 2, 2010 19:50:40 GMT
But who are the hooligans and criminals?
Who is a bigger criminal - a poor person who tries to steal a tin of soup from a supermarket or bankers like Fred Goodwin who steal millions from the public purse and get away with it?
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