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Post by ♫anna♫ on Sept 1, 2015 2:54:29 GMT
www.mirror.co.uk/news/weird-news/scientists-use-tim-burtons-alice-6357360 QUOTE: Scientists use Tim Burton's Alice in Wonderland movie to detect early signs of PSYCHOSISAug. 31, 2015 Scientists from Finland have used the reactions of people watching the 2010 film to detect the first signs of the mental illness in seemingly healthy people. It may have been slated by the critics, but Tim Burton's 'Alice in Wonderland' could actually change the lives of people with psychosis. Scientists have used the reactions of people watching the 2010 film to detect the first signs of the mental illness in seemingly healthy people. The team from Finland discovered psychotics viewed and processed information from the fantasy film differently and these brain patterns could help doctors identify those at risk. Psychosis is a mental health problem that causes people to perceive or interpret things differently from those around them, and might involve hallucinations or delusions. It is estimated that four out of 1,000 Britons have had an active psychotic disorder over the past year. The brain processes of psychotic disorders remains inadequately understood and early diagnosis is difficult as patterns in the brain are not as 'hard wired' as in chronic sufferers. The scientists say the study may now revolutionise the way people with psychosis are treated. Eva Rikandi of the Aalto University in Helsinki said: "In this work, we attempted to determine whether a person is a first-episode psychosis patient or a healthy control subject just by looking at their brain activity recorded during movie viewing. "We found, that by monitoring activity in a region known as the precuneus, we were able to distinguish patients from control subjects especially well." Using scans, the researchers showed even those who had suffered psychotic episode process information differently from a control group when shown the 2010 Hollywood blockbuster. They chose to show 46 first-episode psychotic patients and 32 healthy controls the film so each group were receiving the same information-rich stimulus. It found that significant differences could be seen in the precuneus region of the brain, which is an area associated with memory, spatial and visual awareness, self-awareness, and aspects of consciousness. Ms Rikandi added: "We were able to achieve almost 80 per cent classification accuracy using these methods. This would mean that the precuneus, a central hub for the integration of self- and episodic-memory-related information, plays an important role in this kind of information processing of psychotic patients. "This is the first study which directly associates the beginnings of psychosis with the precuneus, so it is now important that much more research is done in this area." The findings, which were presented at the European College of Neuropsychopharmacology Congress in Amsterdam, will help develop earlier screening and better diagnosis of those at risk. ECNP President-Elect Professor Celso Arango from Madrid said: "The interesting question here is how patients with psychosis, even in their first episode, process information in a different way. "Specifically how a movie such as Alice in Wonderland elicits the participation of different brain areas, and how that relate to the history of the person watching. "What we would like to know is if patients with psychosis might see this as more or less relevant to their own life than would healthy controls. "This movie is about a fantasy world, would it be different with other types of movie?" @menantol mikemarshall Scottish Lassie
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 1, 2015 7:32:04 GMT
That's all very interesting Anna, but it makes me wonder if the person who wrote the book in the first place might. have suffered a psychosis in order to have written the book. Or perhaps the people who were involved with the film in what ever way. Who knows?
I don't worry about how much fantasy is in a person's life, as long as they are functioning human beings and are not dangerous to themselves or to others. Are all psychotic people inclined that way? Is that what we have to be wary of?
As far as I am concerned I'm quite happy being who I am and don't care how other people are, either, as long as there is no possibility of them displaying violence. Which makes me wonder if people who are violent are perhaps in the process of becoming psychotic?
I accept people with all sorts of idiosyncrasies, phobias, whatever, as I am a pretty easygoing person. The only type of behaviour I won't accept is violence which usually goes hand in hand with anger. That is what I would be checking up on and trying to remove from our lives. To me anger is an aberration of the brain, and I am quick to remove myself from their company.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Sept 1, 2015 15:14:28 GMT
According to the article psychotic people get impulses from a specific area of the brain that allegedly causes their dilemma. If people who watch the film get an unusually high amount of impulses from this with psychosis associated brain center the researchers suspect this could be a warning of oncoming psychosis. Of course Scottish Lassie we should remain sceptical of all such research.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 2, 2015 7:08:21 GMT
According to the article psychotic people get impulses from a specific area of the brain that allegedly causes their dilemma. If people who watch the film get an unusually high amount of impulses from this with psychosis associated brain center the researchers suspect this could be a warning of oncoming psychosis. Of course Scottish Lassie we should remain sceptical of all such research. Hi Anna, like I said, if a person is going to become violent as a result of their Psychosis then the Psychiatrists or Psychologists who are involved in the investigation of the brain are doing a good job. I think everyone sees life differently and no one but God knows the truth. Just because a person thinks differently doesn't mean to say that they are mentally ill as the medical profession seem to think. In believing that I am Soul, and believing in reincarnation, who's to say that God hasn't arranged it that way, and that this is a means of God keeping in touch with those who are listening.?
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Sept 2, 2015 14:35:18 GMT
Scottish Lassie for an Eckist maybe scientists are finding Kal Niranjan's connection in the human brain. Or Satan's connection for that matter.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 2, 2015 16:04:16 GMT
Scottish Lassie for an Eckist maybe scientists are finding Kal Niranjan's connection in the human brain. Or Satan's connection for that matter. Hi Anna, we all know that anything is possible, but it is said in the Christian Bible, that you will know them by their fruits.. I have only ever had positive spiritual experiences. I have never had a run in with anything evil, supernaturally or otherwise. I seem to have been protected from anything that is evil. I believe in having a positive attitude and so far I have lived a very good life. It seems some people seem to want to sow doubt into a person's mind about whether they are following Satan, or God. I am definitely sure that I am following God, and I think Psychologists and their ilk have got it all wrong. If a person believes that God exists don't you think that we would have some means of communicating, so that the means would be inbuilt ,when we are born. I'm really tired of sceptical people who when you mention having a supernatural experience, immediately say: that it could be the Devil. Thousands of people have lost their lives because of this kind of occurrence. Does anyone have any real trust? I am beginning to think not. I will continue to believe that what I know to be true through my experiences, is indeed the truth.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 16:19:54 GMT
Anna said,, “ . . . Scottish Lassie for an Eckist maybe scientists are finding Kal Niranjan's connection in the human brain. Or Satan's connection for that matter. . . .” If I understand the Kal Niranjan concept of Eckandkar correctly, it is quite similar to Gnostic beliefs of a pure and distant God with a lessor God as the creator of out temporal world. This is similar to other beliefs of those times of the period post Jesus and up to about 400 CE. However even these concepts are very similar to those emanating from Plato. In fact this is a relatively common believe of a number of Jewish and Christian approaches of those years. The Manichaeans had a somewhat different perspective, as St Agustine noted (and he was once a Manichaean) this sect of Gnostics believe that evil had always been with us and was (from their perspective more of an absence of Good. More over an individual could follow that, lack of Good, as others could follow Good.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 2, 2015 16:32:19 GMT
Hi Anna, Why should you think that the part of the brain that has been discovered and thought to be the cause of psychosis, is of Satan? Just because the medical profession choose to label people as being mentally ill if they experience anything other than what occurs on this physical plane. I'm really cheesed off with their so called findings, and conclusions. Honestly!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 2, 2015 17:12:49 GMT
Anna said,, “ . . . Scottish Lassie for an Eckist maybe scientists are finding Kal Niranjan's connection in the human brain. Or Satan's connection for that matter. . . .” If I understand the Kal Niranjan concept of Eckandkar correctly, it is quite similar to Gnostic beliefs of a pure and distant God with a lessor God as the creator of out temporal world. This is similar to other beliefs of those times of the period post Jesus and up to about 400 CE. However even these concepts are very similar to those emanating from Plato. In fact this is a relatively common believe of a number of Jewish and Christian approaches of those years. The Manichaeans had a somewhat different perspective, as St Agustine noted (and he was once a Manichaean) this sect of Gnostics believe that evil had always been with us and was (from their perspective more of an absence of Good. More over an individual could follow that, lack of Good, as others could follow Good. Hi Men an tol, I have a lot to learn yet. I have only reached the 4th Initiation and am hoping to make it to the 5th before I leave this ' mortal coil.' as far as I know, we as Soul, were created in the Spiritual realms, then this physical plane was created so that we as Soul could have experiences here. In the meantime there was apparently a war in Heaven and Satan was cast down to this physical plane also. Kal Niranjan is the ECKist name for Satan and we believe he ( the negative force personified ) is here to prevent us from getting back to the heavenly dimensions where we were created as Soul. We are here to learn to accept responsibility for our actions and to learn to love unconditionally and so be more Godlike. Because we occupy a physical body, life is made difficult for Soul, but our aim is always to evolve spiritually so that we can return to the spiritual planes, in other words ' The Kingdom of God. '
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 17:27:24 GMT
Thanks for the clarification. The point that I was attempting to make is that such beliefs have been among us in very similar form for a long time. That during the period of the formation of Christianity there were a number of approaches, many with quite similar beliefs.
With a more less central control of Christianity by Rome (circa 350 or there about) it began to solidify and many of the various Christian sects began to fall by the wayside. In 1945 when the Gnostic Codices were discovered near Nag Hammadi, there was a resurgence in Gnostic belief with more formalized effort to reach gnosis. Much of this is similar to what you have described.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 3, 2015 12:45:07 GMT
According to the article psychotic people get impulses from a specific area of the brain that allegedly causes their dilemma. If people who watch the film get an unusually high amount of impulses from this with psychosis associated brain center the researchers suspect this could be a warning of oncoming psychosis. Of course Scottish Lassie we should remain sceptical of all such research. Hi Anna the part of the brain that has been discovered that supposedly shows evidence of Psychosis why should what the medical profession think, be a fact just because they think it is true, and train future psychologists and psychiatrists to believe this. In olden days many people were locked up because of this belief which may not be the case at all, but this has become the authority, and everyone is judged accordingly.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Sept 4, 2015 5:10:33 GMT
Hi Anna, Why should you think that the part of the brain that has been discovered and thought to be the cause of psychosis, is of Satan? Just because the medical profession choose to label people as being mentally ill if they experience anything other than what occurs on this physical plane. I'm really cheesed off with their so called findings, and conclusions. Honestly!!! Apparently according to some research this part of the brain is overactive in people who are diagnosed as psychotics and can't function on the physical plane.
If some people can overstimulate this area of the brain and live an outwardly well adjusted life then maybe balance is the key. Some people have it and some don't.
No I'm not saying there's anything in the brain that needs to be lobotomised.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 4, 2015 8:49:36 GMT
Hi Anna, Why should you think that the part of the brain that has been discovered and thought to be the cause of psychosis, is of Satan? Just because the medical profession choose to label people as being mentally ill if they experience anything other than what occurs on this physical plane. I'm really cheesed off with their so called findings, and conclusions. Honestly!!! Apparently according to some research this part of the brain is overactive in people who are diagnosed as psychotics and can't function on the physical plane.
If some people can overstimulate this area of the brain and live an outwardly well adjusted life then maybe balance is the key. Some people have it and some don't.
No I'm not saying there's anything in the brain that needs to be lobotomised. Hi Anna, maybe not lobotomised, but medicated up to the gills? And for all we know, this is maybe the area where God communicates with us. So the medication will block contact from taking place. We in ECKANKAR believe there are the spiritual dimensions and the physical dimensions and as the Holy Spirit (ECK) has to communicate with us somehow, it could very well be this area that it happens I know the medical profession have found out what the different areas of the brain are responsible for, so it will be very interesting to see what ensues. Did you see the film One flew over the Cuckoo's Nest? I think that was a true story. They used to put an instrument into the brain via the eye then twist the instrument around, destroying part of the frontal lobe. You wouldn't believe it!!!
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Sept 4, 2015 9:28:01 GMT
Yes Scottish Lassie the movie "One Flew over the Cuckoo's nest" was very disturbing.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 5, 2015 3:56:01 GMT
Yes Scottish Lassie the movie "One Flew over the Cuckoo's nest" was very disturbing. Hi Anna, Once you were locked up in one of those places, all rights were taken from you, everything was forced on you whether you liked it or not and all because they thought he was giving them a hard time. Dreadful!!! By the way, if anyone is interested in a NDE that happened to a holocaust survivor Tienke Klein, it is on this forum: ovni-uk.freeforums.net/threadI hope I have got it right. There is a link that takes you to her story.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Sept 5, 2015 5:20:49 GMT
Sorry Scottish Lassie the link doesn't work. Mrs. Klein tells her story in Yiddish ( I believe )with translated subtitles here.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 5, 2015 7:11:51 GMT
Sorry Scottish Lassie the link doesn't work. Mrs. Klein tells her story in Yiddish ( I believe )with translated subtitles here. Were you able to get through and read her story? I am a member of the forum site that I mentioned. And the link there takes you to the the other site where her story is in English.That site is Educating + Humanity & m =1 I don't know if there are meant to be spaces or not? Here it is: www.educating.humanity and maybe what is typed above.It was in brackets and written as I have typed it. I am hopeless when it comes to understanding the Internet. ovni-uk.freeforums.net
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 5, 2015 7:23:43 GMT
Sorry Scottish Lassie the link doesn't work. Mrs. Klein tells her story in Yiddish ( I believe )with translated subtitles here. Hi Anna, if you were showing me something? it hasn't come through. But this has been added. www.youtube.com/watch? Everything seems very difficult for me. I struggle all the time on the Network because of my ignorance.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 5, 2015 12:05:52 GMT
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Sept 5, 2015 13:16:38 GMT
I listened to Miss Klein's story on the YouTube Scottish Lassie link and similar stories follow hers. The YouTube video I posted is exactly the same as the one you posted.
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