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Post by june on May 16, 2010 9:15:36 GMT
well no one has come up with a rational answer into how a visit to a mosque is morphed into geography and why pupils are compelled to pay out of their own pokets for a compulasary visit the school needs new organisers geography is more about the socio economic landscape I guess it was about how our landscape is changing. But it does seem very tenuous to me and a completely pointless excercise.
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Post by fretslider on May 16, 2010 9:36:31 GMT
I knew you'd toe the appeasement line Appeasement? get real fretty. These pupils were taken to a field trip and where asked to dress in a manner following the conventions of that place. No different, in principle, to any other request when visiting outwith the school. I would expect any school to observe the dress codes of any organisation thaqt pupils were attending. Be it a war grave or a Nazi Death camp or a battlefield etc, right through to factory or ANY place of worship. I would expect to pupils to dress in an appropriate manner going to a Cathedral so I cannot see the problem. This is typical of you Islamaphobic people. You lose any kind of proportion when someone throws Islam into the mix. You cannot look at this objectively, you have to contort yourselves around any subject to find even the most trivial objection. Really, this shows up the anti Islam people up for the sad little bigots they are and shows that even when Muslims make perfectly reasonable requests, the nutters can conjure up something out of thin air. Well done on this fretty. The Muslim look moderates and the anti Islam people look like nutters AGAIN. RV You cannot see a problem when a school is breaking the law. In fact you seem to be positively advocating it. I refer you to the Education Act 1996 Part V, Chapter 3, section 389 and the School Standards and Framework Act 1998 Part II, Chapter 6, section 71. Read the small print, dude. www.natsoc.org.uk/schools/curriculum/re/re7.html
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Post by randomvioce on May 16, 2010 9:53:09 GMT
But it does seem very tenuous to me and a completely pointless excercise. Which is why no-one actually said it. The teacher was using the geography lesson merely as an example. No-one was suggestion this was a geography lesson, it was merely LIKE a geography field trip, in so far as it would be compulsory and pupils would be expected to dress appropriately.
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Post by randomvioce on May 16, 2010 10:00:13 GMT
well no one has come up with a rational answer into how a visit to a mosque is morphed into geography and why pupils are compelled to pay out of their own pokets for a compulasary visit the school needs new organisers We have had three pages of you failing to understand the meaning of the word 'majority'. Are you seriously trying to surpass that with a couple of pages of me explaining the word 'like' to you? Why are you seemingly incapable of showing any restraint in your willingness to misread everything? What is the matter with you?
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Post by randomvioce on May 16, 2010 10:07:56 GMT
visit was as compulsory as a geography field trip You see this trip was AS compulsory AS field trip. Good grief, please not five pages of this!
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Post by randomvioce on May 16, 2010 10:10:30 GMT
You cannot see a problem when a school is breaking the law. In fact you seem to be positively advocating it. This was part of the cohesion programme, not strictly an RE class although I take your point that is has been wrongly shoehorned into the RE classes. Cohesion being far more important that RE in any case.
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Post by fretslider on May 16, 2010 10:34:50 GMT
You cannot see a problem when a school is breaking the law. In fact you seem to be positively advocating it. This was part of the cohesion programme, not strictly an RE class although I take your point that is has been wrongly shoehorned into the RE classes. Cohesion being far more important that RE in any case. Twist and turn, eh. It was an RE class/trip. Tagging newlab words like community cohesion onto it changes nothing. In the convoluted newlab world one law has to be broken to satisfy another. The parent was completely within her rights under the law.
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Post by randomvioce on May 16, 2010 10:51:37 GMT
It was an RE class/trip. Tagging newlab words like community cohesion onto it changes nothing. In the convoluted newlab world one law has to be broken to satisfy another. The parent was completely within her rights under the law. The term 'cohesion' is not exactly a 'New Lab' word. Community cohesion is not religious teaching; it is a cultural enterprise which the school (rightly or wrongly) have a duty to teach all pupils at that school. The school have used a trip to a mosque (rightly or wrongly) to fulfil its obligations to that part of the curriculum. The school had made decisions regarding the way it teaches that particular subject and how pupils should conduct themselves. Local head teachers making decisions at a local level. I thought you would be in favour of that?
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Post by fretslider on May 16, 2010 13:05:57 GMT
It was an RE class/trip. Tagging newlab words like community cohesion onto it changes nothing. In the convoluted newlab world one law has to be broken to satisfy another. The parent was completely within her rights under the law. The term 'cohesion' is not exactly a 'New Lab' word. Community cohesion is not religious teaching; it is a cultural enterprise which the school (rightly or wrongly) have a duty to teach all pupils at that school. The school have used a trip to a mosque (rightly or wrongly) to fulfil its obligations to that part of the curriculum. The school had made decisions regarding the way it teaches that particular subject and how pupils should conduct themselves. Local head teachers making decisions at a local level. I thought you would be in favour of that? Of course this community cohesion thing is a newlab idea, it has to underpin their mass immigration exercise. The school is setting out to break the law, I thought you would be in favour of upholding the law.
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Post by mouse on May 16, 2010 13:17:31 GMT
community cohesian....lol ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D and lol again what a load of old cobblers it all is.....one could ask why the comunity is not cohesed.....even more importantly what makes it possible for it to be THOUGHT un co-hesed....... i dont see anyone running around our village souting about community cohesian and yet we are as disparate as a group of people can be..wide differences in income..social..education...standards of living..politics...all very odd
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Post by mouse on May 16, 2010 13:22:13 GMT
We have had three pages of you failing to understand the meaning of the word 'majority'. Are you seriously trying to surpass that with a couple of pages of me explaining the word 'like' to you? no am playing catch on global man made warming etc etc or could that be ""like man made global warming""..possibly..perhaps..maybe..if..... ;D
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Post by alanseago on May 19, 2010 17:36:35 GMT
When I was young, many many years ago, no female would ever go to church without a hat and gloves. Respect for someone else's religion is just good manners. I used to remove my shoes before entering a mosque or a temple. When I visited the Wall in Jerusalem I wore a cardboard kippa (free at the entrance).
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Post by june on May 19, 2010 19:41:55 GMT
When I was young, many many years ago, no female would ever go to church without a hat and gloves. Respect for someone else's religion is just good manners. I used to remove my shoes before entering a mosque or a temple. When I visited the Wall in Jerusalem I wore a cardboard kippa (free at the entrance). My point exactly Alan. Why are people always screaming about their rights being violated when they are just really being pompous, ignorant pigs?
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Post by mouse on May 20, 2010 8:17:32 GMT
When I was young, many many years ago, no female would ever go to church without a hat and gloves. Respect for someone else's religion is just good manners. I used to remove my shoes before entering a mosque or a temple. When I visited the Wall in Jerusalem I wore a cardboard kippa (free at the entrance). My point exactly Alan. Why are people always screaming about their rights being violated when they are just really being pompous, ignorant pigs? its one thing to go voluntarily and to respect where one is..i have covered in st peters and others ..hindu temples and mosques and synnogogues......all of which i have entered because i wished to enter and have respected the norms of the religion its entirely another to be compelled to enter a religious building
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