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Post by clemiethedog on Aug 27, 2009 20:56:57 GMT
For many years Ted Kennedy was a child trapped in a man’s body and he was ill-equipped to behave like an adult. Fortunately for him he had both the position and the longevity to make something positive. He was in the end the titan of the US senate and a great spokesperson for those who often felt powerless, the public servant who served the public interest and not merely the selfish concerns of the malefactors of great wealth.
He said that his family did not enter public service for financial gain; the complete contrast to that other political family, the Bushes, who sought and wielded power for the single purpose of enriching themselves and their cronies at the expense of the nation and the world.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Aug 28, 2009 0:48:34 GMT
Kennedy was a disgrace to his family, his country, and his dog. I don't want to dance on his grave but it pains me to see bogus posts like Clemie's that make this total loser out to be a hero. He was a born a rich kid with a silver spoon in his mouth. He became a US Senator on the coat tails of his brother the President. He accomplished zip squat. He was a total lower
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Post by Liberator on Aug 28, 2009 1:41:36 GMT
Just like Bush father and son and the 'founding fathers' then
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Aug 28, 2009 2:22:47 GMT
Wrong Retarded. Bush was one of our best Presidents. Kennedy was one of our worst Senators.
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Post by Liberator on Aug 28, 2009 2:52:51 GMT
Bush was not the worst, that is true. All the same, do you seriously ever wonder why the entire world hates the isolated religious and racist fanatics of your filthy Fourth Reich ecept that you are Right because you are born to the Master Mongrel Race while everybody else in the world is wrong? One day perhaps there will be a showdown. We shall liberate ourselves from the smug self-satisfied morons lost in their 18th century enclave if they succeed in preventing Obama from bringing them into modernity. You really have no understanding of how much what you promote physically disgusts civilised human beings. You might as well be some central African dictator with your waffle against humane values and glorification of Might is Right. You really have no idea how you disgust human beings with civilised values. You might as well be promoting the pleasures of raping six year old boys as far as I am concerned. Everything you believe in is a retreat to barbarism that took us a thousand years to escape. Obama may be the only thing that preserves the USA from a decent respectable world rising as it should have risen in support of the Viet Cong to liberate itself from feudal filth. You believe in gun law - be thankful that others are too civilised to treat Himmlers like you as you would treat opposition to your world slavery. The USA was founded as a slave-state aristocratic reaction against liberal values and should have stayed disunited individual states unable to combine into the economic force it became, a Brazil. You had a warning with the Twin Towers, how much more do you need to become human enough to respect other human beings? maniacs who think evolution is some deviant plot - don't you understand why the world feels about you as it did about Pol Pot? Are you so up your own arse?
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Post by beth on Aug 28, 2009 3:57:06 GMT
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Aug 28, 2009 4:50:19 GMT
I'm not interested in dancing on TK's grave or anyone else's either, but i can't feel any empathy for TK. I'm deeply disturbed by his involvement in the death of Mary Jo Kopechne and can't shake the powerful suspicion that the true facts of her death are much more horrifying than the offical version! I just can't believe TK was in that car when it went over the bridge.. He didn't show anything to indicate that he had been in a serious car accident. No autopsy was ever done on Mary Jo.
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Post by Liberator on Aug 28, 2009 4:52:29 GMT
I don't think any of the Kedgerees was a Messiah (except maybe in the sense of Dune), but no worse than many before and since. Ted was the weakest 'playboy' of a spoilt family but then he was in a position to be and towards the end of his life at least proved himself more than a nonentity. I wonder, if JFK had lived, whether he would be remembered now as a saint or as the man who led the US into VietNam, confirmed the Cuban embargo, and instituted the monarchical presidency.
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Post by Ben Lomond on Aug 28, 2009 12:45:35 GMT
He would appear to the casual observer to have been a man of stark contrasts. On the one hand he campaigned for health reform and championed the causes of the disadvantaged in the Senate. On the other (if reports are true) he was a drunk and a lecher with whom few women were safe.
And while he had a fairly long and comfortable life, the same cannot be said for Mary Jo Kopechne, whom he shamefully left to die alone in that car. Still, I suppose he needed time to sober up before reporting the accident; and THAT was to him much more important than the life of some nobody. No; on balance, much of the lionization that has followed his death is ill conceived and undeserved.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Aug 28, 2009 14:41:18 GMT
He would appear to the casual observer to have been a man of stark contrasts. On the one hand he campaigned for health reform and championed the causes of the disadvantaged in the Senate. On the other (if reports are true) he was a drunk and a lecher with whom few women were safe. And while he had a fairly long and comfortable life, the same cannot be said for Mary Jo Kopechne, whom he shamefully left to die alone in that car. Still, I suppose he needed time to sober up before reporting the accident; and THAT was to him much more important than the life of some nobody. No; on balance, much of the lionization that has followed his death is ill conceived and undeserved. TK denied being drunk! Since no autopsy was performed on Miss Kopechne doubt and suspicion will always remain! Mary Jo Kopechne may have already been dead when the car went over the bridge. TK talked about the demons he had to face shortly before his death.
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Post by Ben Lomond on Aug 28, 2009 15:12:20 GMT
He would appear to the casual observer to have been a man of stark contrasts. On the one hand he campaigned for health reform and championed the causes of the disadvantaged in the Senate. On the other (if reports are true) he was a drunk and a lecher with whom few women were safe. And while he had a fairly long and comfortable life, the same cannot be said for Mary Jo Kopechne, whom he shamefully left to die alone in that car. Still, I suppose he needed time to sober up before reporting the accident; and THAT was to him much more important than the life of some nobody. No; on balance, much of the lionization that has followed his death is ill conceived and undeserved. TK denied being drunk! Since no autopsy was performed on Miss Kopechne doubt and suspicion will always remain! Mary Jo Kopechne may have already been dead when the car went over the bridge. TK talked about the demons he had to face shortly before his death. He denied being drunk? Well, there's a surprise!!! Still, it took him over 7 hours to remember he had been in a car crash, so I will be kind and suggest that he had forgotten that he was drunk; just as he seemed to have forgotten he had left a young woman trapped in a sinking car for that length of time. Now I refuse to accept that he was alone for that length of time. It was probably being used by the family, and their lawyers to get the story straight BEFORE the proverbial hit the fan. No. No matter how you dress it up, it was self interest that prevailed that night. And it was shameful. AND unforgivable!
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Post by clemiethedog on Aug 28, 2009 18:20:42 GMT
Wrong Retarded. Bush was one of our best Presidents. Kennedy was one of our worst Senators. Bush was the absolute worst president of all time. The mounds of dung he left behind is amble proof and in fact we haven't yet realized the full effects of this woefully inept, criminal, and capricious administration.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Aug 28, 2009 19:04:43 GMT
TK denied being drunk! Since no autopsy was performed on Miss Kopechne doubt and suspicion will always remain! Mary Jo Kopechne may have already been dead when the car went over the bridge. TK talked about the demons he had to face shortly before his death. He denied being drunk? Well, there's a surprise!!! Still, it took him over 7 hours to remember he had been in a car crash, so I will be kind and suggest that he had forgotten that he was drunk; just as he seemed to have forgotten he had left a young woman trapped in a sinking car for that length of time. Now I refuse to accept that he was alone for that length of time. It was probably being used by the family, and their lawyers to get the story straight BEFORE the proverbial hit the fan. No. No matter how you dress it up, it was self interest that prevailed that night. And it was shameful. AND unforgivable! Again i find it hard to believe that TK was in the car when it went over the bridge. Leaving her body in the water would destroy incriminating evidence, if Miss Kopechne was assaulted! TK also tried to get someone else to take the blame after Miss Kopechne's death. The autopsy was blocked by judical means! Later TK enjoyed hearing jokes about the incident and asked his friends, if they heard any new ones! This is very typical of predators, who enjoy making jokes over their victim! I have neither feelings, tears nor prayers for TK!
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Post by beth on Aug 28, 2009 19:33:11 GMT
Anna, where on earth did you pick up that kind of gossip? Sounds like it's been run through the tabloid rumor mill for sure. Has the tinge of conspiracy theory, don't ya know.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Aug 28, 2009 19:52:13 GMT
Anna, where on earth did you pick up that kind of gossip? Sounds like it's been run through the tabloid rumor mill for sure. Has the tinge of conspiracy theory, don't ya know. TK's own biographer and pro-TK admitted that TK liked hearing jokes about the event that costed Mary Jo Kopechne her life!
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Aug 28, 2009 20:03:02 GMT
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chappaquiddick_incident QUOTE: The medical examiner, Dr Donald Mills, was satisfied that the cause of death was accidental drowning. He signed a death certificate to that effect and released Kopechne's body to her family without ordering an autopsy.[24] Later, on September 18, District Attorney Dinis attempted to secure an exhumation of Kopechne's body in order to perform a belated autopsy,[25] citing blood found on Kopechne's skirt and in her mouth and nose "which may or may not be consistent with death by drowning".[26] The reported discovery of the blood was made when her clothes were turned over to authorities by the funeral director.A Pennsylvania court under Judge Bernard Brominski held a hearing on the request on October 20–21.[25] The request was opposed by Kopechne's parents.[25] Eventually Judge Brominski ruled against the exhumation on December 10, saying that there was "no evidence" that "anything other than drowning had caused the death of Mary Jo Kopechne".[28]
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Aug 28, 2009 20:04:35 GMT
www.ytedk.com/chapter6.htm QUOTE: "I found it hard to believe the Senator had been in a major automobile accident. His face bore no traces of any marks. He never sat down or appeared in any kind of physical discomfort. If he had been injured, in shock, or confused, nothing of it lingered in our meeting, to my observation."" - Police Chief Dominick Arena -
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Aug 28, 2009 21:51:25 GMT
www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USAdamore.htm tk's cousin Joe Gargan, tired of covering up for tk, later admitted that tk tried to talk him and Paul Markham into claiming one of them was driving the car and when they refused tk tried to concoct the story that Mary Jo herself drove the car off the bridge!
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Aug 28, 2009 22:24:05 GMT
Here's an excellent article that summarizes it very well. www.politicsdaily.com/2009/08/26/mary-jo-kopechne-and-chappaquiddick-americas-selective-memory/Mary Jo was a good looking 28 year old who worked for Ted Kennedy. He was powerful, rich, and handsome. He was also married. He talked Mary Jo into going down to the beach alone with him at 1:30 AM after a party. What do you think he had in mind? She drowned. He lived. The really hard thing to understand about Senator Kennedy is how he ever got a single vote as a politician running for the Senate. Even his mother, and surely his wife, should have voted against him.
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Post by beth on Aug 29, 2009 3:28:17 GMT
Thanks Anna So then, a lot of it really is conspiracy theory.
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