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Post by mrright on May 11, 2022 21:40:17 GMT
wouldnt have said anything if she didnt respond to something i posted long ago. tell her..not me. by the way...what was this dreaded personal insult you accused me of? You called her a whiner. Just because someone disagrees with you doensn't mean they're whining. And maybe you should re-read the rules of the forum before you post lol...and thats an insult? lol . you're just looking for crap to cry about. llibs feelings arent on the top of my give a crap list. if people arent grown up emotionally to handle honest discussion..its their problem, not mine
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Post by mrright on May 11, 2022 21:43:57 GMT
mrright , I'm sorry I offended you. I worried my feelings might be a bit strong on the subject of American politics, so I worked for hours trying to say a few things nicely enough. But...I'm probably not the best writer, tbh! But I can get along. I know how to focus on other facets of a person, other than their politics. So don't dislike me yet, consider it a greeting of sorts, a starting point some sort? lol I'm just worried about my country and its future, it seems so tenuous and doomed atm. (and I know you care about our country too, we do disagree though! but I cant condemn your instinct, it's patriotic. Maybe next time we talk it could be about your hobbies or other interests. Because I made two friends I really liked (at another board) who were both hardcore righties, and we just talked of other things and liked each other. You and I can do that. Again I apologize for the annoying introduction I made to you here. You don't deserve that. Lin's right, I was feeling deathly ill with the cold from hell yesterday (but admittedly I do harbor contempt for your party. It seems to want to take over without regard to ..well, reality, decency being constructive, remaining a democratic nation (not becoming a dictatorship, which is my concern) At the other board where I made some right wing actual friends, we just shook hands and agreed to talk of other interests, and it turned out one was a musician (like me) and the other does metal craft, and told sweet stories about his wife whom he so obviously was deeply in love with (That was nice! You cant hate a guy who talks about love, and it was undeniably likeable to hear. He was human! I called him friend. You and I can get there (if I stick around that is, I don't know what I'm doing next yet, I'm between gigs, and came to visit. ( I do seem to be looking to reconnect with old friends though. I've been on facebook (which I never go to) but I have friends in Ukraine and Finland I am quite worried for. (And Lin thank you. You know what, my cold broke this morning and I was sure it was thanks to you saying a prayer for me. (Oh, it's not my thing, but you honored me remembering that, and well...a well wish has power in it. And I cant explain why, but I feel a lot better today! offended me? lol. i dont get offended. i just for once would like to see a lib actually try to defend the crap they believe.
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Post by Hunny on May 11, 2022 22:18:53 GMT
Ok. It's simple. We don't really have party-versus-party. We have Democrats who aren't a "party", they're just representative democracy as intended being carried out (for better or worse). While the republican are actually a takeover group! not an alernative. (It's a small number of rich guys who pooled their money to buy our democracy away, so they can exempt their rich selves from taxes and law, and have us work as slaves for them!) And when they run for office, they rely entirely on defamation of the opposition, rather than telling us the good & needed things they might do for us. They just lie to make the other guys look bad, to win at any destructive misery-causing dishonest cost. They operate as if its team sports! But it isn't intended to be that. It's supposed to be US ALL discussing up a consensus on how we want to run the place and then enact it! What would have been wrong with Biden's spending bill? (Nothing, it would have raised some boats, corrected some problems and injected needed money into our economy). But republicans opposed it, not because it should be opposed, but just to be against ANY AND EVERY thing we try to do, just because its normal and needed. And you know what, that's treasonous. Thats grounds for dismissal from the job! You guys WRECK the place without cause but to enrich yourselves, then your Trump lets Roger Stone out of jailso he can give us and our laws and trust clownish raspberries. (I'm convinced republicans defame and trick rather than try to do good things because there isn't anything constructive they want to do for the country; they just want to takeover so they can exempt their rich selves from having to obey laws, pay taxes or even employees.) Another thing your party tends to do is go about trying to attract ISSUE VOTERS. Like abortion, eg....no republican ever actually cared abut that! Its a trick. Its a way of saying "vote for us, we'll pander to your religious interest (and who cares about whatever else we might do, ha ha ha!)" (like drive your wages so low you cant live indoors! (Incidentally, that whole RELIGION-based effort to take women's rights away actually goes against separation of church and state. And it's Taliban behavior, not American, not civilized and decent). I could keep going but it's evening, so my temperature's going back up! SO, rather babble onward and edit for 2 hours, let me sum up with this: (And I'm convinced this is fact, not just my take at all): If you watch FUX, OAN or Newsmax as your news source, you are volunteering to listen to 24/7 propaganda intended TO DEFAME THE PARTY THEY WISH TO TAKE THE BALL FROM, and do nothing decent otherwise. I have also noticed righties tend to assume democrats must be saying tricky falsehoods too, because it's what righties do. But we do not. And it means everything I say to you, someone has told you to just dismiss it as "democrat noise", rather than try to understand each other. But a constructive dialogue requires actually listening to the other, trying to see why they tick, what their real interest is. (ok, some really do just parrot for their "team" and their thinking is no more than that) BUT I think all folks have common interests, for their well-being, their community, their country overall, and it is these common interests we should all find agreeal within, and drop the whole 2-party thing entirely! And just run the country well. I would like to END 2-party politics. I think it's utter foolishness to split into two imaginarily opposed teams, to try and canceleach other, then have the gall to suggest "that's how you run a country!" (it sound more like how you run a war! And it's recipe for getting nothing done t all excepty embarras ourselves in front of...well, the alines I suppose, idk But it does embarrass me how we go on.) I'm glad you answered and we started talking actually. Hey! My new friend. What do 'you think we should do about Putin? Do you agree he's a monster and the world needs an assassin to stop him from continuing his mass murder spree? Or do you have a take, based more on what Trump said at the start (about him being clever somehow? (I don't understand that, but.. I'd listen! 'See I think we all can get back together as one team! And we need to. And it doesn't have to be all MY way or your way. It could be OUR way. And I just don't want to have this embarrassing display of undoing each other's work every 4-8 years It's lunacy! Incidentally, if Trump had actually CLEANED THE SWAMP and delivered on all the promises about what we ALL really want, he'd have been a good president. But all I saw him do was worry about his ratings as if he was still on reality television show. And he un-did everything and anything the democrat before him did, just to do so, not because (for example) re-legalizing pay day loans (charging up to 3,000% interest on a one week loan) was good, wtf, but BECAUSE Obama had made that illegal, so Trump un-did it. How was that ok? We should dislike him! We should disapprove! (We impeached him twice.) AND HE ENCOURAGED A VIOLENT COUP AGLAINST OUR F**ING GOVERNMENT!!!!!! And how was putting an unqualified campaign "donor" in charge of the post office, so he could disable the voting ok? (He should be in federal prison, and you guys know it!) He told us "a face mask wouldn't help" and "We wouldn't know who to wear one right anyway" (yea, that's not insulting! and putting us in harms way.). For Covid he suggested shooting up bleach, then hhired a witch doctor as part of his administration, to have her tell us we should use malaria medicine for Covid which is harmful and wont work! I mean this is just one of a million things. He was NOT a good president. He was a reality star. And willing to destroy democracy, and I hate that Americans went along with that!
I know you wont like that video was on CNN (Oh, I dont watch CNN either. I dont go to any news source that tries to be a "side:)
But it does try to be factual, and includes a video Trump made. (She gets pretty goofy, talking about "Astral sex" too. Whaaa? And this was an actual member of the Trump Administration! (briefly)
What I'm saying is I dont "get news". I observed and documented, what went on each day of those four years of omg!! which oughta be a little better than just repeating what a propaganda network said.
You gotta turn off FUX, Newsmax and OAN. It's propaganda!!!!!! (Though finding a neutral source of good old expository journalism is almost impossible these days. (I resorted to just looking through yahoo's news scroll (it's an aggregator, there are stories from every source, and you can see the whole picture of what people are being told.) And then I go to a couple places that are ok. So I have a bulging folder of 4 years worth of daily wow/wtf that went on (lol). SoI can produce sources, to back up assertions. I tried! I dont want to just be a parrot. I think that's what's wrong with America. Parroting the propaganda. Thats killing us!! In fact, I can tell you in the 90's it was Republicans who gained control (from a hate radio campaign, yeesh) (Rush), and thgen used the opportunity to elinate some laws, that allowed them to put fake news on and not have tyo say it or offer "equal time". THEY DE-CRIMNINALIZED LYING TO HURT US AND SUBVERT DEMOCRACY. HOW is this ok? HOW is this something to support? It isnt.
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Post by mrright on May 11, 2022 23:09:12 GMT
america isnt a democracy
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Post by mrright on May 11, 2022 23:11:40 GMT
Ttump was americas best president ever. did a hell of alot considering the democrat and rinos he had to deal with. not to mention the lib tantrums
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Post by Hunny on May 11, 2022 23:14:57 GMT
You break my heart saying that. Why do you say it? And what are we then? Oligarchy? (that's Russia, not us). Putin has done a lot of damage to people's minds to pit us against each other, and even fool people into agreeing democracy itself should be scrapped. And ALL JUST TO WEAKEN US! And you MUST be able to see that! (YOU MUST!) Putin is a monster. He interfered with our our election and spammed our social media to weaken us!. It should have been taken as an act of war! (but we're always too afraid of nukes being used, so we let them screw our country up so long as they don't use actual bombs. BUT I SAY messing up our whole country with disinformation and brainwashing...thats bombs enough! Trump was americas best president ever. did a hell of a lot considering the democrat and rinos he had to deal with. not to mention the lib tantrums Well, can you list some of these good things he did, because HONEST, I didn't see any!! I took him as wholly incompetent. He never 'cleaned the swamp' (not in any way he implied). He threw paper towels at Peurto Ricans after their disastrous flood. (They're part of our country you know. They don't even need a passport to come here, they're Americans!) Yet he was so buffoonish when they needed help. And then he did same in Texas, when they had a flood. Trump went there, with his PORN STAR RUSSIAN WIFE wearing a coat that said "I DON'T CARE" on it. ....And maybe, since I could point to so many other things, I shouldn't pick this one to cite, but it just rubbed me wrong. He showed psychopathic lack of compassion. And of all things a leader needs compassion! Ya know why Bobby Kennedy should have been president, mrright ? Because he'd drop everything, travel a thousand miles, just to see an old woman who mailed him about problems, and tell her "We care." We hear you? mrright, don't you value THAT more than anything? Don't you? I get all choked up when I watch the old documentaries showing how he was (and then I want to lie down and die, when I see how Republicans killed him (The prime suspect in any unsolved case is THOSE WHO'D HAVE MOTIVE (BENEFIT FROM THE CRIME) AND THAT'S YOU GUYS, and this is known come on. They murdered John, and Martin and Bobby and John Junior and several others too. Every one with that name who would have become president. And that's not democracy. And you and no one should ever suggest we aren't a democracy or that we shouldn't be, for you are parroting GARBAGE from the enemy suggesting that! (But still, I'd like to hear you explain that one. This is a discussion, I'm not simply trashing what you say. I'd like to listen.
But I disliked Trump's dispassion as much as I disliked him for vilifying our Mexican neighbors, just to assign them 'Hitler's Jews' class (to unite his base in hate, against a vilified handy target. Together in hate. Yea, that's good right?. WE DIDN'T NEED ANY DAMN WALL!! Just as we didn't need to put on a a military parade like North f**ing Korea for that matter. TRUMP IS BAD. And if he gets back in, then we really wont be a democracy, we'll be a rightless dictatorship where you can get killed for pointing out wrong. NO? Well, exp lain how he went after Kathy Griffin and made her cry and cower and live in fear. EXPLAIN THAT (no, don't, that's a statement not a question, it was horrifying what he did. he got in and started scaring the shit out if folks who simply didn't like his ways. He ruined a comedians carer, FOR a comedy act. THERE WAS NOTHING OK ABOUT THAT. BUT IT SHOWED HIS HITLERIAN INTENT.
And as to Mexicans, I never once in my decades of life EVER heard there was a problem at the border.
A few Mexicans & other S. Americans always sneak in yes, but its not a flood, and they actually have strong family values & work ethic; they're not wanton criminals as suggested. THEY WORK.
And they take the jobs we wouldn't (like picking fruit for illegally low pay). And all my life, it was so what! Then Trump comes along and starts saying they're his Hitler's Jews, Poland's imaginary Gypsies "causing ALL our country's problems" yadda. (BTW. there wasn't a single Gypsy in Poland at the time some asshole was suggesting that. And in my experience, they're nice folks! Just not to monster looking for a victim)
Trump wanted to be a dictator. HE SAID IT. Bush Junior before him mentioned it too. AND THAT'S NOT AMERICAN!!!! WE DON'T WANT TO BE A TERRIBLE COUNTRY WITHOUT LAW. (Ok, I do. I'm anarcho-democratic, but that's confusing the issue.)
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Post by mrright on May 12, 2022 0:58:42 GMT
a republic
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Post by mrright on May 12, 2022 0:59:33 GMT
your just a Trump hater. you have no good reason to hate him.
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Post by mrright on May 12, 2022 1:01:39 GMT
have you seen energy costs ? inflation??? lack of products? ukraine war??? everything you see going on now it because the democrats stole the election.
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Post by Hunny on May 12, 2022 3:19:29 GMT
UGGH! Ya know the people who started America were AGAINST autocratic domination. They wanted FREEDOM. It's everything America is about!People have gone to war and fought and died to protect FREEDOM. SELF-RULE. -->DEMOCRACY. They didn't fight to the death, yelling "Take my freedom!" Give me Kim Jong un!! Give me the Taliban!!! Dictatorship!! (Jesus Christ!!) How could you get this idea in your head that wrecking AMERICA could be ok, or wanted, or even safe to discuss?? ?? ?? ?? What Network told you THAT? FOX? Breitbart? Talking of ending democracy previously would have gotten you locked up for treason. For being Anti-American. You'd have received instant violent outrage from the public. So I can't fathom how we got to this! I didn't see what you saw obviously (because I won't watch FOX!) (I wouldn't put the KKK channel on either, or the neo-nazi channel, why would I put the lets wreck America by lying channel on.) I don't get how you got this idea! I missed seeing what Americans were fed to come to this.I'd love it, mrright, if you'd illuminate that for me. In all my life to this point, if any American talked as you do (of ending American democracy) the instant outrage would have been deafening. You just don't be ANTI-AMERICAN. People would have been yelling TRAITOR! and coming at you with torches and rope! SO WHAT THE HAPPENED? Who is telling people this GOOP about ending democracy? (Its gotta be that shithead on FUX who isn't even a journalist. (You know, *ucker Carlson, with the dumb expression for a face.) He is opinion only, and FUX says so! Yet people listen to him as if he speaks gospel. I dont get it. It makes me want to go live in Finland. And try to forget the time everyone in my country's IQ's suddenly dropped 30 points.
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Post by mrright on May 12, 2022 13:27:58 GMT
UGGH! Ya know the people who started America were AGAINST autocratic domination. They wanted FREEDOM. It's everything America is about!People have gone to war and fought and died to protect FREEDOM. SELF-RULE. -->DEMOCRACY. They didn't fight to the death, yelling "Take my freedom!" Give me Kim Jong un!! Give me the Taliban!!! Dictatorship!! (Jesus Christ!!) How could you get this idea in your head that wrecking AMERICA could be ok, or wanted, or even safe to discuss?? ?? ?? ?? What Network told you THAT? FOX? Breitbart? Talking of ending democracy previously would have gotten you locked up for treason. For being Anti-American. You'd have received instant violent outrage from the public. So I can't fathom how we got to this! I didn't see what you saw obviously (because I won't watch FOX!) (I wouldn't put the KKK channel on either, or the neo-nazi channel, why would I put the lets wreck America by lying channel on.) I don't get how you got this idea! I missed seeing what Americans were fed to come to this.I'd love it, mrright , if you'd illuminate that for me. In all my life to this point, if any American talked as you do (of ending American democracy) the instant outrage would have been deafening. You just don't be ANTI-AMERICAN. People would have been yelling TRAITOR! and coming at you with torches and rope! SO WHAT THE HAPPENED? Who is telling people this GOOP about ending democracy? (Its gotta be that shithead on FUX who isn't even a journalist. (You know, *ucker Carlson, with the dumb expression for a face.) He is opinion only, and FUX says so! Yet people listen to him as if he speaks gospel. I dont get it. It makes me want to go live in Finland. And try to forget the time everyone in my country's IQ's suddenly dropped 30 points. we are a republic, when the govt clowns and libs want to waste more of our money on their bullshit. do we get to vote on it? lol.. as your droid hero says "c'mone man" ........... "and to the REPUBLIC" ever hear of that? ?
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Post by Hunny on May 12, 2022 19:02:16 GMT
UGGH! Ya know the people who started America were AGAINST autocratic domination. They wanted FREEDOM. It's everything America is about!People have gone to war and fought and died to protect FREEDOM. SELF-RULE. -->DEMOCRACY. They didn't fight to the death, yelling "Take my freedom!" Give me Kim Jong-un!! Or the Taliban!!! I want dictatorship!! (Dude!!) How could you get this idea in your head that wrecking AMERICA could be ok, or wanted, or even safe to discuss?? ?? ?? ?? What Network told you THAT? FOX? Brietbart? You tubers? Talking of ending democracy previously would have gotten you locked up for treason. For being Anti-American. You'd have received instant violent outrage from the public. So I can't fathom how we got to this! I didn't see what you saw obviously (because I won't watch FOX!) (I wouldn't put the KKK channel on either, or the neo-nazi channel, why would I put the lets wreck America by lying channel on.) I don't get how you got this idea! I missed seeing what Americans were fed to come to this.I'd love it, mrright , if you'd illuminate that for me. In all my life to this point, if any American talked as you do (of ending American democracy) the instant outrage would have been deafening. You just don't be ANTI-AMERICAN. People would have been yelling TRAITOR! and coming at you with torches and rope! SO WHAT THE HAPPENED? Who is telling people this GOOP about ending democracy? (Its gotta be that shithead on FUX who isn't even a journalist. (You know, *ucker Carlson, with the dumb expression for a face.) He is opinion only, and FUX says so! Yet people listen to him as if he speaks gospel. I don't get it. It makes me want to go live in Finland. And try to forget the time everyone in my country's IQ's suddenly dropped 30 points. we are a republic, when the govt clowns and want to waste more of our money on their bullshit.do we get to vote on it? lol.. as your droid hero says "c'mon man" ........... "and to the REPUBLIC" ever hear of that? ? "And to the republic.." was written by a preacher turned ad exec in 1892 (then in 1954, Republicans added "under god" as a campaign trick, though it is against Separation of Church and State, and often causes problems for kids being FORCED to pledge to a God they don't believe in. The word "republic" may as well read "republicans", it's what it is... to make people to swear blind unquestioning loyalty to one dubious party, and to a "God" whether they or their parents are ok with it or not. So the Republicans wanted people to swear allegiance to them "or else something bad will happen". And this is the stuff dictators do. Here's Trump trying it in 2016:(Notice he really does tell them "or something bad will happen to you" So the "pledge of allegiance" IS NOT a thing we must do (like obey laws & Constitution). IT WAS A CAMPAIGN TRICK. IT'S BRAINWASHING. HITLER DID THE SAME THING! It looked like this: And when Republicans started it here, it looked the same way! o: In fact people noticed the similarity to Hitler's HEIL ME! thing, so you had to change it to "put your hand on your heart", to slip it by. But still I WOULD NOT LET A CHILD DO THIS! AND I WOULD NOT LET FASCISTS DEMAND ANYONE DO IT. America is NOT ABOUT that kind of lowly detestable, freedom-removing stuff!~! Though I understand Governor Satan of Florida (the intended next fascist party candidate) certainly wants children to swear to obey the would-be dictators. And - lest you try denying he'd do appalling things - he made a LAW forbidding CHILDREN to wear a mask so they would die! (He law-mandated that a percentage of Florida's children would get sick and die, just so he could be popular with his DEPLORABLE BASE. You know..white supremacists, thugs, seditious para-military criminals, people who'll drive their car into a crowd, people without ability to discern Ok, I busted my ass with this post, and yesterday (I am trying to dialogue) but I expect you'll deny EVERYTHING I pointed to (Though it's just history!) And I really did document the entire mortifying Trump debacle, daily, in a bulging folder of saved sources and evidence! And when I searched through it for things today, and was seeing things from the last mortifying 6 years, I realized I wont change your mind. And I cant think of this stuff anymore. It hurts! Because the true nature of "Republicans versus Democracy" is that Democracy is actually good & constructive, the needed running of our country. While republicans aren't a party at all, they're a takeover group which wants to END democracy, and take everything decent away, and make us essentially THIS INSTEAD: So...if you're willing to go along with OBVIOUS AWFUL EVIL DESTRUCTION OF OUR COUNTRY AND WHOLE WAY OF LIFE... it tells me I wont be able to "change your mind"! (Wait! hold on! I DON'T just hear stuff and repeat it. I know Republicans watch the propaganda network and it tells them what to go spew. But we do NOT do same! I studied on a college level for most of 30 years. My IQ is..too high. And I INSIST on facts only whether I like them OR NOT. (because abandoning reality, to immerse in fictional trickery instead is...STUPID. And I'm not qualified! POINT: I just spent hours, for two days writing you my sloppy essays, reports on my years of research. I DIDN'T just repeat what CNN said! (I don't watch CNN. It's a side, not journalism. It produced Lou Dobbs who told my generation we don't matter (oh, in the 90s they said the hell with boomers, and started calling everything "extreme" to attract X'ers, and this is when Loud Dobbs got on my TV, STOPPED THE NEWS and told America "It's a GOOD THING we invaded an unarmed country (Iraq - The Gulf War), because Gen X was about to become a generation without a war! (Oh, he said we should be appalled at the unthinkable possibility of THAT. (Don't try to make sense of this, it's twisted. And he went to FUX after that. And THIS is what is really meant by "a republic, not a democracy"!. THIS is what you people actually WANT and do: That's a Trumpy beating someone violently because he disagrees with him. See the OK symbol on his helmet? That is how Trump's white supremacists identify & signal Trump, who'd surreptitiously make the hand signal back, in speeches.So..I'm exhausted on this matter from the last 6 years of my daily life. And my time at Yahoo Answers Politics Category taught me that right-wing supporters won't consider anything other than what they've repeated in their own mind so many times it's indelible. I figure you'll find all I've said "wrong", because it isn't what you're used to thinking. And that's human. But please don't resent hearing it. because I've actually given you hours of my life, for two days,lol .... not to convince you, but to provide opportunity to read WHY what you call "liberals" think and say as we do. (BTW, The term "liberal" is your "n word" for Democrats, We don't call ourselves that! We're not an US VERSUS THEM team! We're just representative democracy as intended by the founders! That's what we think!) So I explained, because you're a fellow human being who asked. I'm not out to convince you. It's more like I WRITE. (Well it's pretty wordy, eh? lol, yea I write. So I just made 5 or 6 posts about America in the last three days, so anyone could go look in my posts to read exactly how American (democrats, small 'd') FEEL, and why. And it's a bleak picture. If guys get more power and the white house again, I fully expect it will be even and infinitely worse. This is NOT just words.. you're wrecking the place! (Ya know why? Because your "team: is so focused on opposing us, that it just blindly promotes the opposite of what we'd do, and hello? WE'D DO GOOD THINGS! And the opposite of good is idiotic & self-destructive. And it numbs my mind trying to comprehend WHY you'd go along with it it! YOU'RE WRECKING THE PLACE. Alright, so I got that out of my system, and now when anyone asks what I think, they can just have links to my '5 or 6 political posts' (it saves me work later, to just write it out once WELL (lol, I don't write that 'well', I struggle editing for hours to make a piece ok, and then still don't know if anyone will read it, because....long answers get skipped! WELL SO LET'S tell jokes! Ready? I'm not. I gotta go take cold medicine! But I'll post other things..humor and music, interesting news stories, and we can talk about your hobbies if you want. your family, what you do! Some of it must be humanly touching (where the politics is not so much) And then we can 'agree'.
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Post by mrright on May 12, 2022 20:48:54 GMT
hey hater..we're a republic.
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Post by Big Lin on May 12, 2022 22:00:55 GMT
Mr Right, I know from another forum where you've tried to pretend that anyone who disagrees with you is a Communist that you can't put forward any kind of rational arguments but you try to bully people.
Now I've asked you nicely to stop dissing people and attack the post and NOT the poster.
History shows that extremism never turns out well and that ultimately you can only run a country successfully from the political centre.
Extremes of left or right always lead to terror at worst or chaos at best.
And of course these days 'tick-box' politics is far too prevalent.
People seem to sign up to a whole package and if you doubt or disagree with just one item on their list then you're slagged off and accused of being whatever straw man demon they dream up.
I've been called right-wing by lefties and left-wing by righties.
That's what happens to political centrists.
I'm so wedded to libertarian principles that a few years ago I even tolerated three Holocaust deniers on this board in spite of my total disgust at their lies and my personal anger as my uncle was an Auschwitz survivor.
I met them with facts and reason and eventually they gave up.
Now I'm not suggesting you're on that level of foulness and nor am I suggesting you stop posting.
But if you can't accept that freedom, tolerance and fairness are the very bedrock of the principles of any civilised society you might as well go and live in North Korea or China or some other equally repressive dictatorship.
I live in a constitutional monarchy (Britain) and we are more free than your 'republic.' Russia is a republic; so is China. Does that make them any freer than Britain, Holland, Belgium, Norway, Denmark or Sweden (all constitutional monarchies?)
Of course not. The choice isn't republic or monarchy; it's freedom or tyranny.
As Orwell wrote, the real gulf isn't between liberals and conservatives; it's between libertarians and authoritarians.
And YOU, Mr Right, are clearly on the side of tyranny and authoritarianism while I and Hunny are on the side of freedom and libertarianism.
Your 'principles' - probably handed down to you secondhand by whoever or whatever group brainwashed you - are NO DIFFERENT in PRACTICE from Communism.
I called you out on this on another forum and you didn't actually DENY that you ARE a Communist.
So perhaps your Communism explains your hatred of freedom, tolerance and fairness.
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Post by Big Lin on May 12, 2022 22:02:56 GMT
hey hater..we're a republic. God save the Queen!
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Post by mrright on May 13, 2022 1:10:27 GMT
Mr Right, I know from another forum where you've tried to pretend that anyone who disagrees with you is a Communist that you can't put forward any kind of rational arguments but you try to bully people. Now I've asked you nicely to stop dissing people and attack the post and NOT the poster. History shows that extremism never turns out well and that ultimately you can only run a country successfully from the political centre. Extremes of left or right always lead to terror at worst or chaos at best. And of course these days 'tick-box' politics is far too prevalent. People seem to sign up to a whole package and if you doubt or disagree with just one item on their list then you're slagged off and accused of being whatever straw man demon they dream up. I've been called right-wing by lefties and left-wing by righties. That's what happens to political centrists. I'm so wedded to libertarian principles that a few years ago I even tolerated three Holocaust deniers on this board in spite of my total disgust at their lies and my personal anger as my uncle was an Auschwitz survivor. I met them with facts and reason and eventually they gave up. Now I'm not suggesting you're on that level of foulness and nor am I suggesting you stop posting. But if you can't accept that freedom, tolerance and fairness are the very bedrock of the principles of any civilised society you might as well go and live in North Korea or China or some other equally repressive dictatorship. I live in a constitutional monarchy (Britain) and we are more free than your 'republic.' Russia is a republic; so is China. Does that make them any freer than Britain, Holland, Belgium, Norway, Denmark or Sweden (all constitutional monarchies?) Of course not. The choice isn't republic or monarchy; it's freedom or tyranny. As Orwell wrote, the real gulf isn't between liberals and conservatives; it's between libertarians and authoritarians. And YOU, Mr Right, are clearly on the side of tyranny and authoritarianism while I and Hunny are on the side of freedom and libertarianism. Your 'principles' - probably handed down to you secondhand by whoever or whatever group brainwashed you - are NO DIFFERENT in PRACTICE from Communism. I called you out on this on another forum and you didn't actually DENY that you ARE a Communist. So perhaps your Communism explains your hatred of freedom, tolerance and fairness. i see a bunch of bs,,,but no examples...so i have no clue what you're talking about
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Post by Big Lin on May 13, 2022 20:18:53 GMT
You know perfectly well how badly you've behaved on other forums. There's a whole thread about you on one of them actually.
Both on here and there your only method of discourse is vitriol. You try to bully people and I won't stand for it.
Now I am the owner of this forum and it's never a good idea to make the boss of a forum angry with you..
So start mending your manners and follow the rules.
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