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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2019 9:41:57 GMT
Have you ever looked at time as your enemy. We all have so much of it and after it's used up game over.
I think as we get older there is an increasing awareness of our own mortality.
Any thoughts?
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Oct 28, 2019 16:30:01 GMT
Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Oct 28, 2019 16:30:01 GMT
Have you ever looked at time as your enemy. We all have so much of it and after it's used up game over. I think as we get older there is an increasing awareness of our own mortality. Any thoughts? Hard to avoid those thoughts when you see news reports about someone passing who was your age or younger. We're extremely fortunate because we happen to have been born in a time when technology and medical science have greatly affected the average life span. Just 100 years ago the average person in our society lived only to age 45. In the time of Jesus and ancient Rome the average was just 35 years. Credit modern medicine and nutrition for tht. Despite all those gains, there still comes a time when your life come to an end. Our only hope is that scientists invent an age reversal pill and sooner rqther than later
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Nov 3, 2019 11:51:40 GMT
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Nov 3, 2019 11:51:40 GMT
Have you ever looked at time as your enemy. We all have so much of it and after it's used up game over. I think as we get older there is an increasing awareness of our own mortality. Any thoughts? Hard to avoid those thoughts when you see news reports about someone passing who was your age or younger. We're extremely fortunate because we happen to have been born in a time when technology and medical science have greatly affected the average life span. Just 100 years ago the average person in our society lived only to age 45. In the time of Jesus and ancient Rome the average was just 35 years. Credit modern medicine and nutrition for tht. Despite all those gains, there still comes a time when your life come to an end. Our only hope is that scientists invent an age reversal pill and sooner rqther than later A person believes what their senses have indicated is so, and all who live in this world believe that the body dies, but not all know that the Soul occupying the body and is a unit of awareness continues on into the realms of spirit that it has earned, ready to return to the Earth when the time is right.
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Nov 7, 2019 1:24:48 GMT
Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Nov 7, 2019 1:24:48 GMT
Well it is just natural that people don't want to die. They like to imagine that there is something after death for them. The Egyptians certainly believed that. Hence all those pyramids and efforts to reach an imagined afterlife.
Almost every society has invented a religion in an effort to placate their fears about what happes when you die. They're all hoping that there is something for them afterwards. Highly doubtful in my opinion. Humans are animals constructed of flesh, blood, and bones just like all the other animals.
Take Al Baghdadi, the Muslim terrorist who blew himself up with a suicide vest when US Special Forces soldiers were closing in on him. He believed strongly that Mohammad was the messenger from Allah (god). According to his beliefs he's now a martyr in paradise enjoying himself with his own group of 73 absolutely gorgeous young and beautiful female virgins.
My opinion is that when we're dead we're dead. That's the end. No more, nada, nothing. Al Baghdadi is just history. He has no virgins, he's gone forever never to awaken or return. Mohammad was never any messenger and Allah was a figment of his very creative imagination.
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Nov 7, 2019 10:53:04 GMT
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Nov 7, 2019 10:53:04 GMT
Well it is just natural that people don't want to die. They like to imagine that there is something after death for them. The Egyptians certainly believed that. Hence all those pyramids and efforts to reach an imagined afterlife. Almost every society has invented a religion in an effort to placate their fears about what happes when you die. They're all hoping that there is something for them afterwards. Highly doubtful in my opinion. Humans are animals constructed of flesh, blood, and bones just like all the other animals. Take Al Baghdadi, the Muslim terrorist who blew himself up with a suicide vest when US Special Forces soldiers were closing in on him. He believed strongly that Mohammad was the messenger from Allah (god). According to his beliefs he's now a martyr in paradise enjoying himself with his own group of 73 absolutely gorgeous young and beautiful female virgins. My opinion is that when we're dead we're dead. That's the end. No more, nada, nothing. Al Baghdadi is just history. He has no virgins, he's gone forever never to awaken or return. Mohammad was never any messenger and Allah was a figment of his very creative imagination. You are not short of an imagination of your own in relating this info. I agree with you that he is not with the Virgins that he thought he was going to have fun with. He is no doubt being given a good talking to and then being prepared for his return trip to the Earth in the form of a babe, ready to begin a new lifetime.
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Nov 7, 2019 11:01:56 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 7, 2019 11:01:56 GMT
I had a supervisor that would tell people, you can't see any farther than the end of your nose.
Animals don't believe in a here-after either. I know there are all kinds of beliefs and I know they all can't be right. Or can they? I heard a man speak once and he believed that what you believe when you die, that's what you would encounter. In your case you would receive nothing.
I happen to be a believer. I have been to seminary, worked diligently to get my Master of Divinity Degree. I respect your beliefs, I once believed like you until I was shown that I wasn't as smart as I thought I was.
There are lots of atheist. There is even a atheist forum.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Nov 8, 2019 1:38:32 GMT
Well it is just natural that people don't want to die. They like to imagine that there is something after death for them. The Egyptians certainly believed that. Hence all those pyramids and efforts to reach an imagined afterlife. Almost every society has invented a religion in an effort to placate their fears about what happes when you die. They're all hoping that there is something for them afterwards. Highly doubtful in my opinion. Humans are animals constructed of flesh, blood, and bones just like all the other animals. Take Al Baghdadi, the Muslim terrorist who blew himself up with a suicide vest when US Special Forces soldiers were closing in on him. He believed strongly that Mohammad was the messenger from Allah (god). According to his beliefs he's now a martyr in paradise enjoying himself with his own group of 73 absolutely gorgeous young and beautiful female virgins. My opinion is that when we're dead we're dead. That's the end. No more, nada, nothing. Al Baghdadi is just history. He has no virgins, he's gone forever never to awaken or return. Mohammad was never any messenger and Allah was a figment of his very creative imagination. You are not short of an imagination of your own in relating this info. I agree with you that he is not with the Virgins that he thought he was going to have fun with. He is no doubt being given a good talking to and then being prepared for his return trip to the Earth in the form of a babe, ready to begin a new lifetime. There is only one reason why some people believe in an afterlife. It is because they want to. That is the same reason that religions were invented in the first place. I'm reasonably confident that historical figures like Jesus and Mohammad did not themselves believe in any of the nonsense they were spouting. It was an obvious con game designed to give them personal power, prestige, and a following. In the case of the warlord Mohammad, it was also to recruit fighting men for Jihad. Those guys had to know it was all a hoax. Nothing has changed over the centuries. Religion is the one an only legalized con game. If you set yourself up as a preacher in America you gain tax free status. You get all the same public benefits as everyone else but you don't have to pay for them. What a great opportunity for con men like the TV evangelists who constantly beg for money. It seems that God is this all powerful being who can part the oceans and create miracles but can't manage without your money. Religion is a magnet for con men. It is the one area where confidence schemes are not illegal. One thing for certain is that they'll lose interest in your salvation if you don't give them any money.
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Nov 8, 2019 2:15:30 GMT
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Nov 8, 2019 2:15:30 GMT
I had a supervisor that would tell people, you can't see any farther than the end of your nose. Animals don't believe in a here-after either. I know there are all kinds of beliefs and I know they all can't be right. Or can they? I heard a man speak once and he believed that what you believe when you die, that's what you would encounter. In your case you would receive nothing. I happen to be a believer. I have been to seminary, worked diligently to get my Master of Divinity Degree. I respect your beliefs, I once believed like you until I was shown that I wasn't as smart as I thought I was. There are lots of atheist. There is even a atheist forum. You are right on the nose with what you have said about Atheists receiving nothing, you get what you expect to get. Animals may be aware of the after life but not understand what it is. I know for sure that dogs and cats can see beings that are not now alive which proves that there is an invisible dimension. Congratulations on receiving your Master of Divinity Degree. We who believe in God seem to be in the minority.
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Nov 8, 2019 2:32:09 GMT
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Nov 8, 2019 2:32:09 GMT
You are not short of an imagination of your own in relating this info. I agree with you that he is not with the Virgins that he thought he was going to have fun with. He is no doubt being given a good talking to and then being prepared for his return trip to the Earth in the form of a babe, ready to begin a new lifetime. There is only one reason why some people believe in an afterlife. It is because they want to. That is the same reason that religions were invented in the first place. I'm reasonably confident that historical figures like Jesus and Mohammad did not themselves believe in any of the nonsense they were spouting. It was an obvious con game designed to give them personal power, prestige, and a following. In the case of the warlord Mohammad, it was also to recruit fighting men for Jihad. Those guys had to know it was all a hoax. Nothing has changed over the centuries. Religion is the one an only legalized con game. If you set yourself up as a preacher in America you gain tax free status. You get all the same public benefits as everyone else but you don't have to pay for them. What a great opportunity for con men like the TV evangelists who constantly beg for money. It seems that God is this all powerful being who can part the oceans and create miracles but can't manage without your money. Religion is a magnet for con men. It is the one area where confidence schemes are not illegal. One thing for certain is that they'll lose interest in your salvation if you don't give them any money. You are sadly mistaken in your thoughts that there is no afterlife, even dogs and cats can see into an invisible dimension where some beings dwell who have not crossed over into the light. Some human beings who are too engrossed in the things that constitute life on this Earth, when they die, are held here because of strong emotion over some issue that they still want to attend to, when they have attended to it, they are then ready to go the rest of the way. You still have a lot to learn without a doubt.BTW evangelists still need to live. You are too money orientated, that is the problem with worldly thinking people it colours their lives, some go overboard and their lives are consumed by that thought.
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Nov 8, 2019 23:44:55 GMT
Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Nov 8, 2019 23:44:55 GMT
There is only one reason why some people believe in an afterlife. It is because they want to. That is the same reason that religions were invented in the first place. I'm reasonably confident that historical figures like Jesus and Mohammad did not themselves believe in any of the nonsense they were spouting. It was an obvious con game designed to give them personal power, prestige, and a following. In the case of the warlord Mohammad, it was also to recruit fighting men for Jihad. Those guys had to know it was all a hoax. Nothing has changed over the centuries. Religion is the one an only legalized con game. If you set yourself up as a preacher in America you gain tax free status. You get all the same public benefits as everyone else but you don't have to pay for them. What a great opportunity for con men like the TV evangelists who constantly beg for money. It seems that God is this all powerful being who can part the oceans and create miracles but can't manage without your money. Religion is a magnet for con men. It is the one area where confidence schemes are not illegal. One thing for certain is that they'll lose interest in your salvation if you don't give them any money. You are sadly mistaken in your thoughts that there is no afterlife, even dogs and cats can see into an invisible dimension where some beings dwell who have not crossed over into the light. Some human beings who are too engrossed in the things that constitute life on this Earth, when they die, are held here because of strong emotion over some issue that they still want to attend to, when they have attended to it, they are then ready to go the rest of the way. You still have a lot to learn without a doubt.BTW evangelists still need to live. You are too money orientated, that is the problem with worldly thinking people it colours their lives, onsome go overboard and their lives are consumed by that thought. Read this newspaper article and think about what these churches do with the massive amounts of money they extract from their attendees. Only a token amount, if any. goes to charitable causes. Most of it goes to raising more money. attracting more members in order to be able to raise even more money. and providign a lavish lifestyle for the pastors (aka: con men). Joel Osteen's 2017 net worth has been reported to be between $40–60 million. He lives with his family in a 17,000 square-foot mansion in River Oaks, with an estimated value of $10.5 million. As senior pastor, Osteen says he draws no salary from the church, which has an annual budget of $70 million. He makes his money from Book sales and paid speaking engagements. This allows him to claim that he doesn't take money from the church. That might have a grain of truth but in fact the huge church outreach and expenditures are what drive sales of his books and interest in his public speaking. From a Houston Chronicle June 2019 news article: Pastor Joel Osteen's Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas has an annual budget of around $90 million, and their last fiscal year's financial statement reveals how they use the money. During the fiscal year that ended March 31, 2017, the megachurch spent $31.7 million on its weekly services and programs, according to Houston Chronicle, which further says $6.7 million was spent on the church's Night of Hope events, and $25.1 million on its television ministry. Joel Osteen preaches at Lakewood Church in Houston, Texas in April 2017.(Photo: Lakewood Church) For general and administrative expenses, the church used $11.5 million, and another $11.9 million for fundraising. And the remaining $1.2 million was spent on mission and outreach. Lakewood is America's largest church, attended by about 50,000 people a week at the former Compaq Center where the NBA Rockets once played, the Chronicle notes in another article. The broadcasts of its services reach an estimated 10 million U.S. viewers weekly. Its roving monthly Night of Hope events fill stadiums across the country at $15 a ticket. On Facebook and Twitter, Osteen has 28 million followers. His 10 books, self-help manuals, have sold more than 8.5 million printed copies in the United States alone. Rich churches often come under criticism and are looked at with suspicion. Responding to Osteen's wealth, Carl Trueman, a pastor and professor of church history at the Westminster Theological Seminary in Pennsylvania, told the Chronicle: "There's always the question of how much money is too much for a pastor to earn ... When you're looking at his lavish private lifestyle, I'd say that's too much." In December 2017, Channel 9 conducted a Church Transparency Survey, asking 12 of Charlotte's largest churches to voluntarily provide details of how they spend their money. Only three churches — Elevation Church, Forest Hill Church and Transformation Church — provided audited financial statements. Two churches — St. Matthew Catholic Church and Freedom House — gave only basic financial details. Six churches refused to provide any information. These included The Park Church, Central Church of God, St. Paul Baptist Church, Calvary Church, Mecklenburg Community Church and Friendship Missionary Baptist Church. John Gray, who served as associate pastor at Lakewood under Osteen but took over the 21,000-member multi-campus Redemption Church in Greenville, South Carolina last month, has earlier responded to criticism of rich church leaders. "If you work hard and pay your taxes, then you should be able to live where you are able to afford. I think that pastors do have a responsibility to be wise with the things that they have," Gray told The Greenville News in December 2017. "We also understand that the reward in heaven is a mansion, streets paved with gold, gates that are made out of precious stones... We also understand God was the one who gifted Solomon with this wisdom, riches and a long life. He did the same thing with David, and there are times when those who serve God will be blessed to have resources. The key is, are they wise with those resources?" In 2015, Pastor Steven Furtick of the popular Elevation Church in North Carolina told WCCB-TV's anchor Morgan Fogarty that Jesus wouldn't want him to reveal how much money he earns or donates. The interview took place after he received criticism for not disclosing his salary and owning a $1.7 million mansion.
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Nov 10, 2019 15:10:41 GMT
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Nov 10, 2019 15:10:41 GMT
All I can say to that is: I never give the money a thought. They can't take it with them.
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Nov 10, 2019 18:26:32 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2019 18:26:32 GMT
There are a number of crooks in the pulpit, I could name a few but won't.
They claim that Jesus preached the abundant life, get, get and get more. When in actuality he did NOT. Jesus said the Son of man hath not a place to lay his head. Jesus believed if you have plenty you help your neighbor that don't have enough.
There are some in the Catholic Faith that have taken the vowel of poverty. I believe that is right rather than the blab and grab preached by some.
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Nov 15, 2019 6:01:45 GMT
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Nov 15, 2019 6:01:45 GMT
There are a number of crooks in the pulpit, I could name a few but won't. They claim that Jesus preached the abundant life, get, get and get more. When in actuality he did NOT. Jesus said the Son of man hath not a place to lay his head. Jesus believed if you have plenty you help your neighbor that don't have enough. There are some in the Catholic Faith that have taken the vow of poverty. I believe that is right rather than the blab and grab preached by some. Does it not also say "Man shall not live on bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God. I was taught that when Jesus said that the son of man had no place to lay his head He was referring to Himself, after all His mother at least was part of the human race. (Mankind}
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