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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2019 16:10:33 GMT
How do you feel about universal health care? I know there are places that do have it but where I'm at(usa) we don't. I think everyone should have good health care, no matter their income.
Any thoughts.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Oct 27, 2019 2:26:36 GMT
How do you feel about universal health care? I know there are places that do have it but where I'm at(usa) we don't. I think everyone should have good health care, no matter their income. Any thoughts. I don't like the idea of government run health care. Government has no money other than those funds they confiscate from the citizens in the form of taxes. Stealing from Peter to pay Paul is just wrong. That's especialy wrong when Peter works hard to save for his future and Paul does not. For the government to step in, confiscate Peter'hard earned savings, and then give his funds to Paul who was irresponsible with his own finances is just plain wrong.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 12:00:34 GMT
How do you feel about universal health care? I know there are places that do have it but where I'm at(usa) we don't. I think everyone should have good health care, no matter their income. Any thoughts. I don't like the idea of government run health care. Government has no money other than those funds they confiscate from the citizens in the form of taxes. Stealing from Peter to pay Paul is just wrong. That's especialy wrong when Peter works hard to save for his future and Paul does not. For the government to step in, confiscate Peter'hard earned savings, and then give his funds to Paul who was irresponsible with his own finances is just plain wrong. That's all sound reasoning and very logical unless you're Paul. Which leads to the question Is Life Fair? My answer is no it's not, life is neutral. It's up to us to make things fair. If you were Paul, I would still like to see you have good health care.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 27, 2019 14:47:48 GMT
I don't like the idea of government run health care. Government has no money other than those funds they confiscate from the citizens in the form of taxes. Stealing from Peter to pay Paul is just wrong. That's especialy wrong when Peter works hard to save for his future and Paul does not. For the government to step in, confiscate Peter'hard earned savings, and then give his funds to Paul who was irresponsible with his own finances is just plain wrong. That's all sound reasoning and very logical unless you're Paul. Which leads to the question Is Life Fair? My answer is no it's not, life is neutral. It's up to us to make things fair. If you were Paul, I would still like to see you have good health care. Some people save their money and some fritter it away, that is true. We all behave differently, but you can't allow someone who behaved stupidly when they were younger, to starve. So he will have to gain money somehow. Would you rather he rob a bank or receive money from the Government?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2019 16:40:44 GMT
Well said.
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Post by kronks on Nov 7, 2019 19:47:53 GMT
I think the whole of society benefit from health care.
So in a way it is an investment.
Employers provide health insurance in the USA I think, employers benefit from having healthy workers, hence extending it to everyone make sense.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Nov 8, 2019 1:24:40 GMT
I think the whole of society benefit from health care. So in a way it is an investment. Employers provide health insurance in the USA I think, employers benefit from having healthy workers, hence extending it to everyone make sense. Kronks - Suppose you are the payor rather then the payee. Your government decides how much you should pay so that everyone has health care. Further suppose that a bunch of starry eyed liberals take over your government. These folks then decide that "everyone" should include illegal immigrants. That's what happened in Sweden. Thats what is likely to happen in California. I suppose those good hearted well meaning liberals could take it several steps further. They could decide that Africans need health care too and that you should also pay for that. At the next council meeting someone suggests that there are lots of unealthy people in Brazil. The council votes unanimously to have Kronks pay for their care too. Why not, it is only Kronk's money, not theirs. They have no money so they themselves don't have to pay much of anything. They're happy to put the responsibility onto you Kronks.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Nov 8, 2019 5:24:58 GMT
I think the whole of society benefit from health care. So in a way it is an investment. Employers provide health insurance in the USA I think, employers benefit from having healthy workers, hence extending it to everyone make sense. Don't Brits have a certain amount taken out of their salary each week and they collect that at the end of their working life when they retire?
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Post by kronks on Nov 12, 2019 1:40:34 GMT
I think the whole of society benefit from health care. So in a way it is an investment. Employers provide health insurance in the USA I think, employers benefit from having healthy workers, hence extending it to everyone make sense. Kronks - Suppose you are the payor rather then the payee. Your government decides how much you should pay so that everyone has health care. Further suppose that a bunch of starry eyed liberals take over your government. These folks then decide that "everyone" should include illegal immigrants. That's what happened in Sweden. Thats what is likely to happen in California. I suppose those good hearted well meaning liberals could take it several steps further. They could decide that Africans need health care too and that you should also pay for that. At the next council meeting someone suggests that there are lots of unealthy people in Brazil. The council votes unanimously to have Kronks pay for their care too. Why not, it is only Kronk's money, not theirs. They have no money so they themselves don't have to pay much of anything. They're happy to put the responsibility onto you Kronks. Farmers give animal free health care via vets.
It is an investment, it is profitable not a cost.
Employers basically do the same thing, so why not extend it for those who fall through the gaps.
You would be turning folk from an unhealthy liability to a citizen that profits the country.
You should of course manage your borders.
The US healthy system is very expensive, socialised medicine tends to be cheaper.
You could get rid of all the health insurance companies and save a fortune.
Anyone who made it from Brazilian to the USA is probably healthier than the average US citizen.
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Post by kronks on Nov 12, 2019 1:49:16 GMT
I think the whole of society benefit from health care. So in a way it is an investment. Employers provide health insurance in the USA I think, employers benefit from having healthy workers, hence extending it to everyone make sense. Don't Brits have a certain amount taken out of their salary each week and they collect that at the end of their working life when they retire? Yes there is a national insurance system with various optional add ons.
You have no real choice in joining.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Nov 15, 2019 1:41:27 GMT
Don't Brits have a certain amount taken out of their salary each week and they collect that at the end of their working life when they retire? Yes there is a national insurance system with various optional add ons.
You have no real choice in joining.
I thought it was automatic in any job that you had?
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Post by kronks on Nov 18, 2019 4:21:50 GMT
Yes there is a national insurance system with various optional add ons.
You have no real choice in joining.
I thought it was automatic in any job that you had? I think it is, I am not too sure about the self employed though.
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Post by Big Lin on Nov 18, 2019 23:50:30 GMT
Any healthcare system is only as good as the people who work for it.
I'm a believer in universal healthcare but I'm not one of the naive idiots who endlessly waffles on about the wonderful NHS.
For example, on Sunday two friends of ours had a birthday so we went out for a meal with them and a few other friends.
One had been diagnosed with skin cancer around her nose and went to hospital. The doctor told her she'd have to wait eight months for treatment on the NHS. She then asked how much if it was done privately and he quoted her £5000. Because she didn't want to wait she agreed to pay the money.
The SAME doctor treated her privately the NEXT DAY who had REFUSED to treat her on the NHS for 8 months.
Don't forget - a lot of healthcare workers are scammers.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Nov 26, 2019 3:58:38 GMT
Any healthcare system is only as good as the people who work for it. I'm a believer in universal healthcare but I'm not one of the naive idiots who endlessly waffles on about the wonderful NHS. For example, on Sunday two friends of ours had a birthday so we went out for a meal with them and a few other friends. One had been diagnosed with skin cancer around her nose and went to hospital. The doctor told her she'd have to wait eight months for treatment on the NHS. She then asked how much if it was done privately and he quoted her £5000. Because she didn't want to wait she agreed to pay the money. The SAME doctor treated her privately the NEXT DAY who had REFUSED to treat her on the NHS for 8 months. Don't forget - a lot of healthcare workers are scammers. She no doubt would have been put on a waiting list under NHS which would have been valid. When the surgery became private then he was able to carry out the operation. These Doctors who have a private practice do offer their services to NHS but their priority is always their own practice, so then they can give that their attention. those on the waiting list have a longer wait.
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