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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Dec 14, 2019 0:26:55 GMT
DAS what proof can you provide for thinking that there is no afterlife? You have none, that is obvious. In one lifetime, I jumped off a cliff, died as a result, but had the experience of still being aware of what was going on as Soul, which is a unit of awareness that lives on after the body has deteriorated due to death. How do you explain that experience? Proving that something which doesn't exist doesn't exist is impossible because it doesn't exist. What we have is the total lack of evidence that an afterflie does exist. All we have are con men like Mohammad and Jesus promising an afterlife that is only available to their followers. How convenient for them.
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 15, 2019 22:01:16 GMT
DAS what proof can you provide for thinking that there is no afterlife? You have none, that is obvious. In one lifetime, I jumped off a cliff, died as a result, but had the experience of still being aware of what was going on as Soul, which is a unit of awareness that lives on after the body has deteriorated due to death. How do you explain that experience? Proving that something which doesn't exist doesn't exist is impossible because it doesn't exist. What we have is the total lack of evidence that an afterflie does exist. All we have are con men like Mohammad and Jesus promising an afterlife that is only available to their followers. How convenient for them. I don't know about Mohammad, but Jesus never said anything remotely like 'only His followers' would have an afterlife. His words have been misinterpreted as well as the entire Bible, as you are exemplifying here.
At the very least, you don't know one way or other if there is an afterlife or not.
I believe there is, and I believe Jesus was the butterfly who came here to tell everyone that we are all cocoons. "Ye are all gods," "The kingdom of heaven is within you." THAT is what Jesus said.
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Post by Big Lin on Dec 18, 2019 23:35:51 GMT
I believe that there is an afterlife and that we survive death.
I don't believe in reincarnation.
We are IMO immortal spirits who survive as persons.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 21, 2019 7:43:56 GMT
DAS what proof can you provide for thinking that there is no afterlife? You have none, that is obvious. In one lifetime, I jumped off a cliff, died as a result, but had the experience of still being aware of what was going on as Soul, which is a unit of awareness that lives on after the body has deteriorated due to death. How do you explain that experience? Proving that something which doesn't exist doesn't exist is impossible because it doesn't exist. What we have is the total lack of evidence that an afterflie does exist. All we have are con men like Mohammad and Jesus promising an afterlife that is only available to their followers. How convenient for them. I can't understand how you can be so blind. There are hundreds of people who have had these experiences, and they are written up in books for anyone who is interested to read them. Why don't you?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 21, 2019 8:19:49 GMT
I believe that there is an afterlife and that we survive death. I don't believe in reincarnation. We are IMO immortal spirits who survive as persons. That is certainly better IMO than being an Atheist. As long as they believe that God doesn't exist, therefore no afterlife, they will not be in a position to learn the truth. PS: Is Heaven a spiritual place or a physical place. The Kingdom of God is to be found within. Could you elaborate?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 21, 2019 8:53:50 GMT
Proving that something which doesn't exist doesn't exist is impossible because it doesn't exist. What we have is the total lack of evidence that an afterflie does exist. All we have are con men like Mohammad and Jesus promising an afterlife that is only available to their followers. How convenient for them. I don't know about Mohammad, but Jesus never said anything remotely like 'only His followers' would have an afterlife. His words have been misinterpreted as well as the entire Bible, as you are exemplifying here.
At the very least, you don't know one way or other if there is an afterlife or not.
I believe there is, and I believe Jesus was the butterfly who came here to tell everyone that we are all cocoons. "Ye are all gods," "The kingdom of heaven is within you." THAT is what Jesus said.
The human body is composed of Chakras which are spirit points of power each power point can bring about an experience which will show up in the third eye chakra which is a doorway to the spirit world (the Kingdom of Heaven) In other words you can visit the Spirit realm via the body, especially the brow chakra and crown chakra. In meditation a person focuses on the third eye chakra (brow chakra) and chants a sacred word example Hu, (hue) in a long drawn out sound. Inhaling first with three deep breaths and then exhaling with Hu. This can continue for up to thirty minutes on a daily basis. At some point during the meditation you will have an experience of some kind, perhaps even leave the body as in Soul travel.
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Post by heeeeey on Dec 21, 2019 15:47:23 GMT
I agree. And meditation also leads to spiritual awakening.
I have been trying to meditate for three years. It's not easy. My mind is not easy to control and quiet, but the videos of Abraham Hicks and the way it's taught there is very helpful. I also watch Dr. Joe Dispenza who teaches basically the same thing.
On the scientific side, I watch Nassim Haramein who is a physicist. He says the same thing only he explains it from a scientific perspective.
The fact that all these people say the same thing from different perspectives, and who don't collaborate with each other, leads me to believe it's true.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 22, 2019 12:04:42 GMT
I agree. And meditation also leads to spiritual awakening. I have been trying to meditate for three years. It's not easy. My mind is not easy to control and quiet, but the videos of Abraham Hicks and the way it's taught there is very helpful. I also watch Dr. Joe Dispenza who teaches basically the same thing. On the scientific side, I watch Nassim Haramein who is a physicist. He says the same thing only he explains it from a scientific perspective. The fact that all these people say the same thing from different perspectives, and who don't collaborate with each other, leads me to believe it's true. Spiritual awakening is what it is all about. You have to make sure that you are focusing on the third eye chakra.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Dec 22, 2019 18:29:46 GMT
Proving that something which doesn't exist doesn't exist is impossible because it doesn't exist. What we have is the total lack of evidence that an afterflie does exist. All we have are con men like Mohammad and Jesus promising an afterlife that is only available to their followers. How convenient for them. I can't understand how you can be so blind. There are hundreds of people who have had these experiences, and they are written up in books for anyone who is interested to read them. Why don't you? I can't understand why you don't believe in Santa Claus. Millions of kids have received presents from Santa. Doesn't that prove he exists? Those kids all knew he was real when they were opening presents. As they grew older those kids began to wonder how a chunky Santa could slide down so many chimneys without getting dirty. It also began to seem unlikely that those reindeers could cover so much ground in only one night. Religious beliefs are a lot like Santa Claus beliefs.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 23, 2019 9:28:33 GMT
I can't understand how you can be so blind. There are hundreds of people who have had these experiences, and they are written up in books for anyone who is interested to read them. Why don't you? I can't understand why you don't believe in Santa Claus. Millions of kids have received presents from Santa. Doesn't that prove he exists? Those kids all knew he was real when they were opening presents. As they grew older those kids began to wonder how a chunky Santa could slide down so many chimneys without getting dirty. It also began to seem unlikely that those reindeers could cover so much ground in only one night. Religious beliefs are a lot like Santa Claus beliefs. In the first place Santa Claus is derived from Saint Nicholas who was a monk of some kind in Europe. He at one time helped the poor by giving them either money or something that they really needed. We commemorate his memory by also giving gifts. I believe they spelt his name Santa Klaus.
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Post by mikemarshall on Dec 24, 2019 16:02:38 GMT
I can't understand how you can be so blind. There are hundreds of people who have had these experiences, and they are written up in books for anyone who is interested to read them. Why don't you? I can't understand why you don't believe in Santa Claus. Millions of kids have received presents from Santa. Doesn't that prove he exists? Those kids all knew he was real when they were opening presents. As they grew older those kids began to wonder how a chunky Santa could slide down so many chimneys without getting dirty. It also began to seem unlikely that those reindeers could cover so much ground in only one night. Religious beliefs are a lot like Santa Claus beliefs. Of course, Das, (playing Devil's Advocate for a moment) you COULD argue that there are MULTIPLE Santa Claus/Father Christmases out there because you see hundreds of them around this time of year wherever you go! (That is not a serious argument for polytheism by the way!)
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Dec 24, 2019 20:01:58 GMT
Yes we're all glad to see Santa this tie of year, especially kids.
Merry Christmas and Happy New Year.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 28, 2019 13:19:07 GMT
Yes we're all glad to see Santa this tie of year, especially kids. Merry Christmas and Happy New Year. Happy New Year to you too, and all the other members.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 12, 2020 14:13:58 GMT
Commemorating some past incident can be an enjoyable experience especially for children. It took me a long time to realize that it was your parents who were providing the gifts. It certainly was an exciting time.
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Post by Big Lin on Apr 13, 2020 20:37:17 GMT
Well, Christmas is one thing; commemorating bad things in life is another thing.
I certainly DON'T commemorate Holocaust Day (though I honour the memory of those who were murdered during that terrible time including members of my family.)
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 28, 2020 18:07:17 GMT
Why was he made a saint? Wouldn't he have had to have performed miracles? As Soul is a unit of awareness, it cannot die, It is only the physical body that dies.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 28, 2020 18:47:04 GMT
One young person who believed in reincarnation was able to take relevant people to his past life grave, and his description was found to be true.
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Post by rebel2020 on May 1, 2020 12:26:41 GMT
One young person who believed in reincarnation was able to take relevant people to his past life grave, and his description was found to be true. Some years ago, think it was 12-15 years ago, Read a book about someone who recognised they had lived before, and eventuality tracked down still living members of there past family, was promoted as a "True" story, but now cannot for the life of me who the Author or title was, Anyone who can help ? :UPDATE: Thanks to google have Found The Book, Interesting ? exemplore.com/paranormal/Jenny-CockellThe-True-story-of-a-Woman-Who-has-Lived-Before-Mother-of-yesterdays-Children
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