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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Dec 7, 2018 2:13:15 GMT
Suppose a woman agrees to have sex and then changes her mind when half way to completion, demanding that the man stop. He doesn't stop. Is that rape?
Suppose a man and woman are having consensual sex and the man removes his condom during the act. She asked him before hand if he had a condom. Is that rape?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 7, 2018 23:44:17 GMT
Suppose a woman agrees to have sex and then changes her mind when half way to completion, demanding that the man stop. He doesn't stop. Is that rape? Suppose a man and woman are having consensual sex and the man removes his condom during the act. She asked him before hand if he had a condom. Is that rape? By golly, two very dicey situations for sure. I wouldn't label the first as being rape unless he was being extremely rough and there was a good reason for her to say no more. Surely when a person engages in the sex act they must know that it is not easily possible for someone to stop cold turkey. The second incident I think could be labelled such as he WAS supposed to be wearing a condom, which was what she wished. It would be up to the woman of course and how close the couple were to each other.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 5:55:47 GMT
Suppose a woman agrees to have sex and then changes her mind when half way to completion, demanding that the man stop. He doesn't stop. Is that rape? Suppose a man and woman are having consensual sex and the man removes his condom during the act. She asked him before hand if he had a condom. Is that rape? The first one is clearly rape , the second you haven’t said she objected to him carrying on after he took off the condom so if she didn’t then it’s not rape
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2018 5:57:15 GMT
Suppose a woman agrees to have sex and then changes her mind when half way to completion, demanding that the man stop. He doesn't stop. Is that rape? Suppose a man and woman are having consensual sex and the man removes his condom during the act. She asked him before hand if he had a condom. Is that rape? By golly, two very dicey situations for sure. I wouldn't label the first as being rape unless he was being extremely rough and there was a good reason for her to say no more. Surely when a person engages in the sex act they must know that it is not easily possible for someone to stop cold turkey. The second incident I think could be labelled such as he WAS supposed to be wearing a condom, which was what she wished. It would be up to the woman of course and how close the couple were to each other. You don’t understand what rape is do you?! Of course a man can stop at any time !! Pull out it’s that easy The second one , whether he has a condom on or not has nothing to do with whether she consented to SEX
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 16, 2018 4:52:49 GMT
By golly, two very dicey situations for sure. I wouldn't label the first as being rape unless he was being extremely rough and there was a good reason for her to say no more. Surely when a person engages in the sex act they must know that it is not easily possible for someone to stop cold turkey. The second incident I think could be labelled such as he WAS supposed to be wearing a condom, which was what she wished. It would be up to the woman of course and how close the couple were to each other. You don’t understand what rape is do you?! Of course a man can stop at any time !! Pull out it’s that easy The second one , whether he has a condom on or not has nothing to do with whether she consented to SEX I do know what sex is all about, even though I've never been raped. How can you say that? When people are engaged in the sex act there is a very strong sexual feeling in play which is not so easily turned off, especially in men.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2018 9:03:34 GMT
You don’t understand what rape is do you?! Of course a man can stop at any time !! Pull out it’s that easy The second one , whether he has a condom on or not has nothing to do with whether she consented to SEX I do know what sex is all about, even though I've never been raped. How can you say that? When people are engaged in the sex act there is a very strong sexual feeling in play which is not so easily turned off, especially in men. doesnt matter whether it is easy or not , it does not mean you cannot stop when told no and that is the issue here. men can stop when told to , they are in control of their bodies they can pull out when asked to , there is no way that they are unable to pull out their cock when told to , that's a FACT. so its laughable when people try and make excuses for men in this way,
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 16, 2018 22:31:58 GMT
I do know what sex is all about, even though I've never been raped. How can you say that? When people are engaged in the sex act there is a very strong sexual feeling in play which is not so easily turned off, especially in men. doesnt matter whether it is easy or not , it does not mean you cannot stop when told no and that is the issue here. men can stop when told to , they are in control of their bodies they can pull out when asked to , there is no way that they are unable to pull out their cock when told to , that's a FACT. so its laughable when people try and make excuses for men in this way, I don't see it as laughable, what I see is a lack of understanding and consideration one for the other. Men and women are supposed to need each other and therefore we SHOULD be more considerate. It is not moral to go through life not caring how something affects another person especially when it is about such an intimate relationship. The act itself would not be possible unless men had enough depth of feeling to make it possible.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 19, 2018 1:43:14 GMT
By golly, two very dicey situations for sure. I wouldn't label the first as being rape unless he was being extremely rough and there was a good reason for her to say no more. Surely when a person engages in the sex act they must know that it is not easily possible for someone to stop cold turkey. The second incident I think could be labelled such as he WAS supposed to be wearing a condom, which was what she wished. It would be up to the woman of course and how close the couple were to each other. You don’t understand what rape is do you?! Of course a man can stop at any time !! Pull out it’s that easy The second one , whether he has a condom on or not has nothing to do with whether she consented to SEX She consented to sex with specific instructions. Naturally if the specifics are no longer in place, it means it was no longer consensual, therefore rape. Who wants the possibility of a pregnancy or a disease of some kind?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2018 10:08:32 GMT
You don’t understand what rape is do you?! Of course a man can stop at any time !! Pull out it’s that easy The second one , whether he has a condom on or not has nothing to do with whether she consented to SEX She consented to sex with specific instructions. Naturally if the specifics are no longer in place, it means it was no longer consensual, therefore rape. Who wants the possibility of a pregnancy or a disease of some kind? jeez this is getting silly! may as well get the guy to sign a contract before you get down to it!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 21, 2018 10:46:42 GMT
She consented to sex with specific instructions. Naturally if the specifics are no longer in place, it means it was no longer consensual, therefore rape. Who wants the possibility of a pregnancy or a disease of some kind? jeez this is getting silly! may as well get the guy to sign a contract before you get down to it! The way things are going in the news, it might come to that, or the need for a chaperone as a witness. LOL.
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Post by Forever Sunshine on Jan 6, 2019 19:19:17 GMT
The first is definitely rape. No means no, even if it is half way through the act. When making a judgement call such as this one, one cannot allow emotions to take over. Being considerate of the other's feeling are immaterial on this call.
As to the second one, I think it would depend on whether or not she asked it to stop once he took off the condemn. But, I can see SL's side where specific instructions were given and then not complied with.
Interesting.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 8, 2019 3:19:47 GMT
The first is definitely rape. No means no, even if it is half way through the act. When making a judgement call such as this one, one cannot allow emotions to take over. Being considerate of the other's feeling are immaterial on this call. As to the second one, I think it would depend on whether or not she asked it to stop once he took off the condemn. But, I can see SL's side where specific instructions were given and then not complied with. Interesting. It seems that many women don't understand the make up of a man at all. They are programmed so that they will have no difficulty with procreating and so providing the world with the results of their good work. They most definitely need to have strong feelings in order to obtain an erection, and once that erection is achieved, I should imagine it would be difficult to be easily undone just because the woman suddenly changes her mind and says no. If a person agrees to sexual intercourse in the first place then that's it in my opinion. The deed should be allowed to proceed to its culmination, if you are a fair minded and understanding person. I still think that the second option could be classed as rape if the female participant saw it as that.
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Post by Forever Sunshine on Jan 8, 2019 4:06:06 GMT
I think I fully understand the make up of a man. lol And not all men need to have strong feelings in order to obtain an erection or spew his juice to procreate. If you have to imagine it would be difficult to be easily undone then it's fair to say you don't completely understand the make up of a man either. However, I'm not disputing the difficulty, or lack thereof, for easily undoing the erection. The fact is, that is immaterial. If a woman changes her mind and says no, that's it. Done deal. Time to pull out. He can easily take matters into his own hands if he needs to physically finish. That's not always the case. Ejaculation isn't always necessary. A man's penis will not explode if ejaculation doesn't happen. Sometimes it can be painful for them but not 100% of the time.
The woman has the right to change her mind. If he then refuses to accept that and continues doing the act against her will, that's rape.
BTW, it's good to see you, SL. Hope you've been well.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 8, 2019 9:29:28 GMT
I think I fully understand the make up of a man. lol And not all men need to have strong feelings in order to obtain an erection or spew his juice to procreate. If you have to imagine it would be difficult to be easily undone then it's fair to say you don't completely understand the make up of a man either. However, I'm not disputing the difficulty, or lack thereof, for easily undoing the erection. The fact is, that is immaterial. If a woman changes her mind and says no, that's it. Done deal. Time to pull out. He can easily take matters into his own hands if he needs to physically finish. That's not always the case. Ejaculation isn't always necessary. A man's penis will not explode if ejaculation doesn't happen. Sometimes it can be painful for them but not 100% of the time. The woman has the right to change her mind. If he then refuses to accept that and continues doing the act against her will, that's rape. BTW, it's good to see you, SL. Hope you've been well. Why is it that we have drug addicts who spend oodles of money on drugs because they want to experience a certain feeling of the senses, somewhat similar perhaps to an orgasm. They put themselves into dire straits eventually and all because they want to continue having that feeling. Why do they do this? Once you experience a certain high, the memory of that experience is what makes them want to experience it again, hence the difficulty in being unable to stop cold turkey. That's how I see it anyway. PS: Thanks for your caring.
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Post by Forever Sunshine on Jan 8, 2019 12:54:11 GMT
I guess if I had the answer to those questions regarding drugs, I'd be rich and could corner the market helping people get past it. Again, no one said it's not difficult to stop cold turkey. It is difficult. Still doesn't negate the fact that if a woman says no, even in the middle of it, it's still no and he needs to stop. Period. If he chooses to continue against her wishes, it's rape, at least in my eyes it is.
People need to relearn delayed gratification. They need to learn self control and a few other "self" things that don't end in "ish". People need to realize that it's not just their wants and needs that matter in the world.
PS: you're welcome?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 10, 2019 3:38:45 GMT
I guess if I had the answer to those questions regarding drugs, I'd be rich and could corner the market helping people get past it. Again, no one said it's not difficult to stop cold turkey. It is difficult. Still doesn't negate the fact that if a woman says no, even in the middle of it, it's still no and he needs to stop. Period. If he chooses to continue against her wishes, it's rape, at least in my eyes it is. People need to relearn delayed gratification. They need to learn self control and a few other "self" things that don't end in "ish". People need to realize that it's not just their wants and needs that matter in the world. PS: you're welcome? It may very well be rape in a Court of Law, but being understanding of a situation is important also and caring for the other person's feelings. Expecting a man to stop cold turkey, is asking too much if she consented in the first place. It is definitely inconsiderate in my book.
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Post by Forever Sunshine on Jan 10, 2019 16:02:46 GMT
So, we're giving men a pass now because we can't expect a man to stop cold turkey when a woman says "NO"? I'm sorry, SL, but it's not asking too much at all. And, who gives a rat's patootie if it's "inconsiderate". If a woman says no, that's that! End of story. There's no making excuses for men because they can't be expected to stop cold turkey. That's just laughable.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 11, 2019 8:54:00 GMT
So, we're giving men a pass now because we can't expect a man to stop cold turkey when a woman says "NO"? I'm sorry, SL, but it's not asking too much at all. And, who gives a rat's patootie if it's "inconsiderate". If a woman says no, that's that! End of story. There's no making excuses for men because they can't be expected to stop cold turkey. That's just laughable. Which means that you are inconsiderate and unfeeling. That's obvious.
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Post by Forever Sunshine on Jan 11, 2019 12:44:14 GMT
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha Alrighty then. It's been good to see you SL. Many have been concerned about you. Good to see you're still around.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 12, 2019 12:21:01 GMT
Hahahahahahahahahahahahaha Alrighty then. It's been good to see you SL. Many have been concerned about you. Good to see you're still around. I don't want anyone to be concerned about me. I'm like a ship that passes by in the night. In other words I'm a low key person so don't like too much attention.
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