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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 8, 2018 15:17:13 GMT
Um no one gave us a life. We evolved just like every other life form on this planet. Tell that to the guy that broke in. Maybe you blindly follow the teachings of an invisible being that doesn't exist but I don't. So no one gave me any instructions. What does it mean to me? Absolutely nothing because it was written by a human who claimed to be talking to a 'God'.. Riiighhhtttt... God's voice was heard by many people, even though there was no person there to account for the voice.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 8, 2018 15:23:01 GMT
This man is 78 years old; his wife is disabled and has Alzheimers. He did what any decent person would and defended himself and her. For what it's worth I'm glad to say that after massive public support for the guy the police have decided NOT to charge him. A rare victory for common sense and justice! No wonder people accrue karma so easily, they apparently can't help themselves and they have no sense of control whatsoever.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 8, 2018 15:34:11 GMT
Normally that is usually what applies in this world, and you can go ahead and do that, it is your choice. But ofcourse, you are allowing yourself to become involved in violence so are now in the same boat as your adversary, committing a violent act and will reap the consequences by accruing karma. It's up to you.? Karma is a load of dishonest bollocks. History - and the here and now - shows that evil nearly always wins out over good. Sometimes the best we can do is the lesser of two evils. But of course people who don't have normal human feelings wouldn't understand that. My feelings are quite normal, thankyou very much, I may even be more sensitive than normal, because when I hear of someone being killed unnecessarily, I shudder. It is horrible.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 8, 2018 15:46:42 GMT
It seems as if people are being taught how to legally get away with murder.AMAZING.!!! You really have a distorted sense of what is and is not moral. If the burglar had murdered him - and he attacked both the 78-year old man and his disable wife - presumably you would have said that they both deserved it as punishment for 'sins' in 'past lives' and that it was their 'karma' to have been murdered. So why do you NOT feel that way about the killing - in self-defence - of a career criminal by two aged and virtually defenceless pensioners? Why is it only the VICTIMS of crime rather than the perpetrators to whom you assign this mythical karma of yours? Everyone gets what they deserve, otherwise whatever happens to them, wouldn't. It's a case of cause and effect and we are all under the jurisdiction of that ruling.
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Post by mikemarshall on Apr 8, 2018 21:33:39 GMT
You really have a distorted sense of what is and is not moral. If the burglar had murdered him - and he attacked both the 78-year old man and his disable wife - presumably you would have said that they both deserved it as punishment for 'sins' in 'past lives' and that it was their 'karma' to have been murdered. So why do you NOT feel that way about the killing - in self-defence - of a career criminal by two aged and virtually defenceless pensioners? Why is it only the VICTIMS of crime rather than the perpetrators to whom you assign this mythical karma of yours? Everyone gets what they deserve, otherwise whatever happens to them, wouldn't. It's a case of cause and effect and we are all under the jurisdiction of that ruling. No, they do NOT. If everyone got what they deserved good people would prosper and bad ones would not. To say nothing of the dubious nature of whether cause and effect is even REAL - most scientists have long since regarded that as untrue. But of course even if cause and effect WAS real what 'cause' do you imagine made the Jews and gypsies 'deserve' to be murdered? There was NO 'cause' other than their ethnicity. And if you were sincere in your belief that 'everyone gets what they deserve' then you would have to say that the burglar 'got what he deserved.' So why do you shed crocodile tears for HIM yet CONDEMN a 78-year-old man with a disabled wife who killed him in self-defence? It is pure hypocrisy on your part and shows up how fundamentally insincere you are in everything you say.
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Post by mikemarshall on Apr 8, 2018 21:36:42 GMT
This man is 78 years old; his wife is disabled and has Alzheimers. He did what any decent person would and defended himself and her. For what it's worth I'm glad to say that after massive public support for the guy the police have decided NOT to charge him. A rare victory for common sense and justice! No wonder people accrue karma so easily, they apparently can't help themselves and they have no sense of control whatsoever.!!! Well, actually, that is EXACTLY what the concept of karma means and indeed ENTAILS. It is the most rigid system of determinism possible since it condemns individuals from the moment of their birth on the basis of sins allegedly committed by putative ancestors in imagined past lives. Karma allows EVERYONE to absolve themselves of moral responsibility. It is dishonest, evil and completely anti-life.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 8, 2018 23:40:15 GMT
Everyone gets what they deserve, otherwise whatever happens to them, wouldn't. It's a case of cause and effect and we are all under the jurisdiction of that ruling. No, they do NOT. If everyone got what they deserved good people would prosper and bad ones would not. To say nothing of the dubious nature of whether cause and effect is even REAL - most scientists have long since regarded that as untrue. But of course even if cause and effect WAS real what 'cause' do you imagine made the Jews and gypsies 'deserve' to be murdered? There was NO 'cause' other than their ethnicity. And if you were sincere in your belief that 'everyone gets what they deserve' then you would have to say that the burglar 'got what he deserved.' So why do you shed crocodile tears for HIM yet CONDEMN a 78-year-old man with a disabled wife who killed him in self-defence? It is pure hypocrisy on your part and shows up how fundamentally insincere you are in everything you say. YOU think that, because you are not aware of the true and full picture of the scheme of things. I have tried to explain this to you and others, but it is being ignored. So what can one do, we just go on in our ignorance It may appear that the person is getting away with their wickedness, but in reality this is not so. There IS such a thing as reincarnation, but you are unable to believe this in your present lifetime. We are all here for a purpose and according to how we perceive things from the events that occur in our lives, that is what we will come to believe. For me, as I am spiritually enlightened by some advanced Intelligence, whom I choose to think of as God, because I happen to believe what is written in the Bible and from my own experiences it seems that in this lifetime anyway we are not going to see eye to eye. Too bad.!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 8, 2018 23:57:02 GMT
No wonder people accrue karma so easily, they apparently can't help themselves and they have no sense of control whatsoever.!!! Well, actually, that is EXACTLY what the concept of karma means and indeed ENTAILS. It is the most rigid system of determinism possible since it condemns individuals from the moment of their birth on the basis of sins allegedly committed by putative ancestors in imagined past lives. Karma allows EVERYONE to absolve themselves of moral responsibility. It is dishonest, evil and completely anti-life. You can't be thinking straight. The opposite is true.!!! There is just a learning experience for everyone as they travel through lifetime after lifetime, and the person themselves is responsible for that. I have found this to be true, from my own experiences.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 9, 2018 0:24:00 GMT
Everyone gets what they deserve, otherwise whatever happens to them, wouldn't. It's a case of cause and effect and we are all under the jurisdiction of that ruling. No, they do NOT. If everyone got what they deserved good people would prosper and bad ones would not. To say nothing of the dubious nature of whether cause and effect is even REAL - most scientists have long since regarded that as untrue. But of course even if cause and effect WAS real what 'cause' do you imagine made the Jews and gypsies 'deserve' to be murdered? There was NO 'cause' other than their ethnicity. And if you were sincere in your belief that 'everyone gets what they deserve' then you would have to say that the burglar 'got what he deserved.' So why do you shed crocodile tears for HIM yet CONDEMN a 78-year-old man with a disabled wife who killed him in self-defence? It is pure hypocrisy on your part and shows up how fundamentally insincere you are in everything you say. I am certainly not shedding crocodile tears. I Do care about what happens to people, as I know most of the things that are thought to be bad, needn't have happened, but are done in ignorance of the true facts. Both the burglar and the oap made a decision that was detrimental to their long range welfare, so will suffer the consequences of their action, if not straight away, then further down the track and that could be in any lifetime that will be of most benefit to them in regard to what lesson they have to learn.
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Post by mikemarshall on Apr 9, 2018 21:33:57 GMT
Well, actually, that is EXACTLY what the concept of karma means and indeed ENTAILS. It is the most rigid system of determinism possible since it condemns individuals from the moment of their birth on the basis of sins allegedly committed by putative ancestors in imagined past lives. Karma allows EVERYONE to absolve themselves of moral responsibility. It is dishonest, evil and completely anti-life. You can't be thinking straight. The opposite is true.!!! There is just a learning experience for everyone as they travel through lifetime after lifetime, and the person themselves is responsible for that. I have found this to be true, from my own experiences. I really do find your constant lying tiresome. You have NOT 'found this to be true from your own experience.' You BELIEVE it to be true. I have found the OPPOSITE to be true from my own experience. Evil prospers and good people suffer unjustly. And of course the whole evil nonsense of karma IS predicated on a PURELY deterministic model. It assumes that people are punished for imaginary sins in imaginary previous lives. Now no one has any control over the past. Karma IS rigidly deterministic and NO ONE can rationally or morally be blamed for things over which they have no control. What 'sins' did millions of Jews and gypsies commit in your imaginary past life fantasies to deserve the Holocaust? You really are thoroughly immoral and twisted as well as incapable of arguing rationally.
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Post by mikemarshall on Apr 9, 2018 21:35:53 GMT
No, they do NOT. If everyone got what they deserved good people would prosper and bad ones would not. To say nothing of the dubious nature of whether cause and effect is even REAL - most scientists have long since regarded that as untrue. But of course even if cause and effect WAS real what 'cause' do you imagine made the Jews and gypsies 'deserve' to be murdered? There was NO 'cause' other than their ethnicity. And if you were sincere in your belief that 'everyone gets what they deserve' then you would have to say that the burglar 'got what he deserved.' So why do you shed crocodile tears for HIM yet CONDEMN a 78-year-old man with a disabled wife who killed him in self-defence? It is pure hypocrisy on your part and shows up how fundamentally insincere you are in everything you say. I am certainly not shedding crocodile tears. I Do care about what happens to people, as I know most of the things that are thought to be bad, needn't have happened, but are done in ignorance of the true facts. Both the burglar and the oap made a decision that was detrimental to their long range welfare, so will suffer the consequences of their action, if not straight away, then further down the track and that could be in any lifetime that will be of most benefit to them in regard to what lesson they have to learn. Do you seriously imagine that this 78-year old man would have killed ANYONE if the two burglars had not broken into his home where he was caring for his disabled wife? Only the BURGLARS are to blame for what happened. It is repellent to any NORMAL sensibility to blame the 78-year-old man in any way for what happened.
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Post by mikemarshall on Apr 9, 2018 21:39:17 GMT
No, they do NOT. If everyone got what they deserved good people would prosper and bad ones would not. To say nothing of the dubious nature of whether cause and effect is even REAL - most scientists have long since regarded that as untrue. But of course even if cause and effect WAS real what 'cause' do you imagine made the Jews and gypsies 'deserve' to be murdered? There was NO 'cause' other than their ethnicity. And if you were sincere in your belief that 'everyone gets what they deserve' then you would have to say that the burglar 'got what he deserved.' So why do you shed crocodile tears for HIM yet CONDEMN a 78-year-old man with a disabled wife who killed him in self-defence? It is pure hypocrisy on your part and shows up how fundamentally insincere you are in everything you say. YOU think that, because you are not aware of the true and full picture of the scheme of things. I have tried to explain this to you and others, but it is being ignored. So what can one do, we just go on in our ignorance It may appear that the person is getting away with their wickedness, but in reality this is not so. There IS such a thing as reincarnation, but you are unable to believe this in your present lifetime. We are all here for a purpose and according to how we perceive things from the events that occur in our lives, that is what we will come to believe. For me, as I am spiritually enlightened by some advanced Intelligence, whom I choose to think of as God, because I happen to believe what is written in the Bible and from my own experiences it seems that in this lifetime anyway we are not going to see eye to eye. Too bad.! No one who genuinely WAS 'spiritually enlightened' would go around CLAIMING to be that. Humility is one of the most obvious traits of the majority of saints. And the Eckist fantasies you espouse are NOT 'written in the Bible' and frankly the Bible is simply the work of men. It, no more than the writings of Twitchell and Klemp, represents anything BUT the results of human authorship.
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Post by donna on Apr 10, 2018 0:42:11 GMT
Karma is a load of dishonest bollocks. History - and the here and now - shows that evil nearly always wins out over good. Sometimes the best we can do is the lesser of two evils. But of course people who don't have normal human feelings wouldn't understand that. My feelings are quite normal, thankyou very much, I may even be more sensitive than normal, because when I hear of someone being killed unnecessarily, I shudder. It is horrible.!!! Well, all I can say as to that is as how what I see from you is dissing other people's suffering.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 10, 2018 13:11:37 GMT
My feelings are quite normal, thankyou very much, I may even be more sensitive than normal, because when I hear of someone being killed unnecessarily, I shudder. It is horrible.!!! Well, all I can say as to that is as how what I see from you is dissing other people's suffering. People cause their own suffering, by the decisions that they make and put into action. It eventually comes back to bite them in the rear end.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 15, 2018 0:37:37 GMT
My feelings are quite normal, thankyou very much, I may even be more sensitive than normal, because when I hear of someone being killed unnecessarily, I shudder. It is horrible.!!! Well, all I can say as to that is as qhow what I see from you is dissing other people's suffering. I think your brain needs retreading. Karma is all about fairness.!!! How can you see it any differently. Should anyone be able to do whatever they like and not be expected to suffer the consequences of their behaviour? You are not thinking straight. I see myself in another person's shoes, so feel for them.
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