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Post by Big Lin on Apr 4, 2018 20:40:30 GMT
news.sky.com/story/pensioner-held-after-man-stabbed-during-burglary-11316275This story reminds me of the Tony Martin case. I hope that this time round justice will be done. This guy is 78 years old and two burglars broke in to his place. Why the hell shouldn't he grab a knife when they cornered him in the kitchen? To be honest I'm 100% on his side (just as I was with Tony Martin who shot the burglar.) Let's hope this time they don't lock this hero pensioner up in prison like they locked up Tony Martin.
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Post by justbec on Apr 4, 2018 22:19:40 GMT
How in the world can they hold him? He is in his home defending himself. Here in the states you can defend yourself from a break in and even kill the burglar. As my Criminal Justice teacher in college used to say.. You can shoot them if they break in. Just make sure they are inside the house.
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Post by mikemarshall on Apr 4, 2018 23:26:17 GMT
I agree. As with the disgraceful Tony Martin case, I firmly believe in the right of a homeowner to defend themself.
If anyone broke into our place (it happened to us once when we were on holiday which is VERY fortunate for the burglars) we would certainly respond with all necessary methods to defend ourselves.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 5, 2018 0:28:08 GMT
I agree. As with the disgraceful Tony Martin case, I firmly believe in the right of a homeowner to defend themself. If anyone broke into our place (it happened to us once when we were on holiday which is VERY fortunate for the burglars) we would certainly respond with all necessary methods to defend ourselves. They do say that the pen is mightier than the sword. Wouldn't you want to talk them out of whatever was their intention? Household goods are not more important than a man's life, afterall you can't take it with you.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 5, 2018 0:34:52 GMT
How in the world can they hold him? He is in his home defending himself. Here in the states you can defend yourself from a break in and even kill the burglar. As my Criminal Justice teacher in college used to say.. You can shoot them if they break in. Just make sure they are inside the house. We know that burglars are doing wrong but are they less important than goods? that you should kill them the moment you see them.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 5, 2018 0:51:11 GMT
news.sky.com/story/pensioner-held-after-man-stabbed-during-burglary-11316275This story reminds me of the Tony Martin case. I hope that this time round justice will be done. This guy is 78 years old and two burglars broke in to his place. Why the hell shouldn't he grab a knife when they cornered him in the kitchen? To be honest I'm 100% on his side (just as I was with Tony Martin who shot the burglar.) Let's hope this time they don't lock this hero pensioner up in prison like they locked up Tony Martin. Each person comes before God on their own. If you kill anyone that is what God will judge you on. If you love your enemy then there would be no reason to kill the burglar. I personally would rather let him take the goods rather than try to harm a person.
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Post by justbec on Apr 5, 2018 1:30:34 GMT
How in the world can they hold him? He is in his home defending himself. Here in the states you can defend yourself from a break in and even kill the burglar. As my Criminal Justice teacher in college used to say.. You can shoot them if they break in. Just make sure they are inside the house. We know that burglars are doing wrong but are they less important than goods? that you should kill them the moment you see them. He broke into a home and who knows what he planned. Would you rather he kill the man instead? A person has a right to defend their home and themselves. Frankly he got what he deserved and it is sad the home owner is being held.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 5, 2018 22:34:18 GMT
We know that burglars are doing wrong but are they less important than goods? that you should kill them the moment you see them. He broke into a home and who knows what he planned. Would you ?rather he kill the man instead? A person has a right to defend their home and themselves. Frankly he got what he deserved and it is sad the home owner is being held. It is the law of the land that has convicted him, so perhaps the burglar was fleeing when he was shot, which means he was no longer a threat. That makes a big difference. Because I believe in God's law, I have to consider that also. As I believe in we reap what we sow, should I be silly enough to set myself up to be shot sometime later down the track? I would think not.!!!
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Post by justbec on Apr 5, 2018 22:51:37 GMT
He broke into a home and who knows what he planned. Would you ?rather he kill the man instead? A person has a right to defend their home and themselves. Frankly he got what he deserved and it is sad the home owner is being held. It is the law of the land that has convicted him, so perhaps the burglar was fleeing when he was shot, which means he was no longer a threat. That makes a big difference. Because I believe in God's law, I have to consider that also. As I believe in we reap what we sow, should I be silly enough to set myself up to be shot sometime later down the track? I would think not.!!! He hasn't been convicted of anything yet and hopefully he won't be. Your beliefs don't factor into this. The man was defending his home and his property against an intruder. Good for him!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 6, 2018 0:44:18 GMT
It is the law of the land that has convicted him, so perhaps the burglar was fleeing when he was shot, which means he was no longer a threat. That makes a big difference. Because I believe in God's law, I have to consider that also. As I believe in we reap what we sow, should I be silly enough to set myself up to be shot sometime later down the track? I would think not.!!! He hasn't been convicted of anything yet and hopefully he won't be. Your beliefs don't factor into this. The man was defending his home and his property against an intruder. Good for him! What was he defending, furniture? They do say that the root of all evil constitutes the love of money (riches) so I guess you think money is more important than a person's life. How noble of you, I must say?
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Post by justbec on Apr 6, 2018 1:38:19 GMT
He hasn't been convicted of anything yet and hopefully he won't be. Your beliefs don't factor into this. The man was defending his home and his property against an intruder. Good for him! What was he defending, furniture? They do say that the root of all evil constitutes the love of money (riches) so I guess you think money is more important than a person's life. How noble of you, I must say? No he wasn't defending furniture he was defending his home and his person. I didn't realize you were a mind reader and know what the guy that broke in had planned. I doubt he was there to steal a couch, he was there to steal valuables and who is to say what he would have done to anyone he found there. So do you lock your doors at night? If so why? Why not just put out a welcome sign. So get off your holier than thou high horse.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 6, 2018 1:38:29 GMT
news.sky.com/story/pensioner-held-after-man-stabbed-during-burglary-11316275This story reminds me of the Tony Martin case. I hope that this time round justice will be done. This guy is 78 years old and two burglars broke in to his place. Why the hell shouldn't he grab a knife when they cornered him in the kitchen? To be honest I'm 100% on his side (just as I was with Tony Martin who shot the burglar.) Let's hope this time they don't lock this hero pensioner up in prison like they locked up Tony Martin. I did believe that you had sincerely turned over a new leaf by accepting Jesus as your Saviour, but now I am not so sure. If Jesus can sacrifice Himself for the human race who have apparently sinned throughout the ages, you are quite ok about shooting a burglar as opposed to just handing over the goods. You can replace goods, but you cannot replace a person. Not forgetting any innocent close relatives of the dead person, perhaps young children? who will suffer as a result.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 6, 2018 1:50:55 GMT
What was he defending, furniture? They do say that the root of all evil constitutes the love of money (riches) so I guess you think money is more important than a person's life. How noble of you, I must say? No he wasn't defending furniture he was defending his home and his person. I didn't realize you were a mind reader and know what the guy that broke in had planned. I doubt he was there to steal a couch, he was there to steal valuables and who is to say what he would have done to anyone he found there. So do you lock your doors at night? If so why? Why not just put out a welcome sign. So get off your holier than thou high horse. Holiness is more important to me , so why should I forgo my belief? I'm just pointing out a fact, that a home is composed of two things, people and goods that cost money. If you, like Jesus, value life over inanimate goods, then you would hand over the goods, which is also valuables, rather than kill someone, it is your choice.
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Post by justbec on Apr 6, 2018 2:38:03 GMT
No he wasn't defending furniture he was defending his home and his person. I didn't realize you were a mind reader and know what the guy that broke in had planned. I doubt he was there to steal a couch, he was there to steal valuables and who is to say what he would have done to anyone he found there. So do you lock your doors at night? If so why? Why not just put out a welcome sign. So get off your holier than thou high horse. Holiness is more important to me , so why should I forgo my belief? I'm just pointing out a fact, that a home is composed of two things, people and goods that cost money. If you, like Jesus, value life over inanimate goods, then you would hand over the goods, which is also valuables, rather than kill someone, it is your choice. I don't like Jesus nor do I believe in him. And Jesus has nothing to do with this thread. And the fact is the man broke in and you don't know what he had planned.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 6, 2018 4:00:56 GMT
Holiness is more important to me , so why should I forgo my belief? I'm just pointing out a fact, that a home is composed of two things, people and goods that cost money. If you, like Jesus, value life over inanimate goods, then you would hand over the goods, which is also valuables, rather than kill someone, it is your choice. I don't like Jesus nor do I believe in him. And Jesus has nothing to do with this thread. And the fact is the man broke in and you don't know what he had planned. And neither do you.!!! I do not know the full details of this particular case or the other one mentioned, but I do know that a person's life is far more important than goods of any kind. Life is precious, because we have all been given life for a purpose, do you know what that purpose is? Everything that has been created is important in its own right, everyone knows that, but I think people are the most important at this stage, and no doubt we will eventually find out why. It is therefore relevant that we live our lives according to the best attributes that we are born with, certainly not the worst. Vices such as Lust, Greed, Anger etc should be dispensed with as soon as possible. We have been given instructions to love our enemies and to love our neighbours as we love ourselves. What does that mean to you? If we all took notice of this instruction, then we couldn't possibly deliberately harm another person, and all would be well.
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