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Post by mikemarshall on Mar 29, 2018 21:21:39 GMT
"Why do you assume that they are extra-terrestrial rather than some unknown life form on Earth?" Ah but why do you assume they are not? I have no proof they exist but all the scientists have no proof they don't.. Just like God.. funny that I find myself on the other end of the argument now.. Been arguing that God is a myth forever and now I'm arguing Aliens aren't... hmm... BUT I think we have more proof of them than God We are going away on holiday tomorrow morning and will be offline till Monday evening so I am sadly unable to respond more fully as I would like to do. Briefly, the extraterrestrial hypothesis (in spite of being the one that the media chooses to focus on) is simply one of eighteen different theories. There is no doubt that a detailed study of the evidence (I have been researching the UFO phenomenon for many years by the way and have met with many UFOlogists as well as read widely and been to conferences on the subject) makes it impossible for any SINGLE theory to provide a complete explanation of the phenomenon. But Persinger and Lafreniere have shown the connection between UFO sightings and earthquake activity. Michael Shallis has shown that electromagnetic activity also play a part in UFO sightings. Carl Sagan's 'volume of traffic' argument shows how absurd the idea that literally BILLIONS of 'aliens' could beBoth visiting us. Jacques Vallee has demonstrated how natural phenomena mimic various UFO activity and has also shown how important psychological and psychic factors are in UFO perceptions. John Keel has shown the close resemblance between sightings of 'aliens' and the creatures of mythology and demonology. Paul Devereux has shown how what he calls 'earthlights' are crucial factors in UFO perceptions. Now for what it is worth I have seen a UFO. At length, for a period of days, hovering near our back garden. My wife also saw the same thing. Both of us watched it closely for long periods of time. So do not pretend that I speak as I do out of ignorance or a failure to experience strange phenomena. And at no point have I ever said that I believe Earth is the only inhabited planet in the universe. It is quite possibly not even the only inhabited world in the Solar System. But the difficulties of travel in space mean that a) as Gerald Heard suggested, only insects could survive some of the abrupt maneouvres with which the craft are credited; b) the further away the origin, the greater the chance that the crew would be dead long before they reached earth; c) technically, the crew would be unlikely to be resistant to earthly diseases. I could say a great deal more but I am afraid I will have to wait.
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Post by justbec on Mar 29, 2018 23:46:31 GMT
Ok we will let you go away on Holiday Now see this is where I have an issue. This is based on what WE know as when it comes to science and physics. It is based on our knowledge and in doing that it presumes we are correct. Life on other planets may and probably are much more advanced. While we ooh and ahh at traveling the speed of light they might laugh and see it as child's play.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 30, 2018 1:26:19 GMT
It certainly wouldn't be another human being, so it must either be the Holy Spirit who is giving me the information or it is the Aliens themselves, they have this ability. By the way I got a message from Jenny Randle at one time wanting to know of my experiences. So cutting past your wishful thinking you do not know who your 'sources' are. Did you respond to Jenny Randles? If so, did she respond to your response? If the source is invisible, what should I know? Like you and everyone else, my senses tell me that I am receiving info from a source that is known to others as well as myself.That Intelligence is named God, so I will go along with that. What ever the case may be, this God is to be trusted, as I have been cared for every step of the way. All we have is our senses to tell us what is going on, so we have to make the best of it, don't you think? As for Jenny Randle, I didn't answer her. I was on a UFO forum and I was got rid of because the adminisrator thought that I was a former participant back to cause trouble. I was a newby, but I was still banned.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 30, 2018 1:55:33 GMT
Ok we will let you go away on Holiday Now see this is where I have an issue. This is based on what WE know as when it comes to science and physics. It is based on our knowledge and in doing that it presumes we are correct. Life on other planets may and probably are much more advanced. While we ooh and ahh at traveling the speed of light they might laugh and see it as child's play. Exactly.!!! They have any so called problem all sewn up, believe me.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 31, 2018 7:57:42 GMT
We are being given different experiences, which is the reason for some of the points of view, I'm not to blame for this. I just accept everything on trust bcause the Intelligence IS to be trusted. It's that simple.!!! Why should you assume that 'the Intelligence' - whatever that means - is to be trusted? How do you know that it is not (for instance) Satan attempting to deceive you? Some secret mind control programme by the CIA or similar body? You choose to interpret your 'experiences' in a particular way but that is no more than an opinion. Until you can provide rock-solid facts to buttress your statements they remain open to question. And taking everything on trust is a strategy that can only work if you live in an exceptionally privileged environment. Even then, not always. I trust my senses, like you trust yours, what more can I say?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 1, 2018 2:28:34 GMT
They read your mind, they themselves communicate by telepathy. Do they have a sense of humour? Or are they literal minded types? In reading your mind they naturally, know what you are thinking.
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Post by donna on Apr 3, 2018 22:05:08 GMT
Do they have a sense of humour? Or are they literal minded types? In reading your mind they naturally, know what you are thinking. You didn't answer my question. Do they have a sense of humour? Or are they humourless gits?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 4, 2018 1:13:16 GMT
In reading your mind they naturally, know what you are thinking. You didn't answer my question. Do they have a sense of humour? Or are they humourless gits? The fact that they can smile is an indication that they are not humourless, and they evidently found what I was thinking rather amusing.
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Post by donna on Apr 5, 2018 23:14:19 GMT
You didn't answer my question. Do they have a sense of humour? Or are they humourless gits? The fact that they can smile is an indication that they are not humourless, and they evidently found what I was thinking rather amusing. So how do you know the geezers aren't winding you up? Anyhow, you never said what you was thinking. I've been away a long while and I don't remember you but you don't seem that good at giving a straight answer to a straight question!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 6, 2018 0:53:44 GMT
The fact that they can smile is an indication that they are not humourless, and they evidently found what I was thinking rather amusing. So how do you know the geezers aren't winding you up? Anyhow, you never said what you was thinking. I've been away a long while and I don't remember you but you don't seem that good at giving a straight answer to a straight question! I'm not at your beck and call, we are all free to reveal as much or as little info as we choose. You don't run my life so don't try. Welcome back.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 6, 2018 6:13:52 GMT
I'm not sure whether to laugh at this post or get angry. You really do need to STOP confusing your BELIEFS with FACTS. What you CLAIM to have been shown is DIFFERENT from what OTHER PEOPLE also CLAIM to have been shown. So how are normal, rational, open-minded human beings expected to distinguish between con artists, deluded maniacs and truth? Maybe it's time you offered some idea of what YOU think makes something true - other than the fact that you believe it. We have a lot of aliens in America. They're called Democrats. They're from another planet. We are all at different stages of spiritual understanding, because some people are simply not interested. A person will not be given enlightenment against their wishes. People like me have been interested since childhood and there are people younger than I am and far ahead of where I am, so they must have started seeking at least in a lifetime before this one. We are each responsible for what knowledge we are ready to receive.
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Post by donna on Apr 6, 2018 23:42:13 GMT
So how do you know the geezers aren't winding you up? Anyhow, you never said what you was thinking. I've been away a long while and I don't remember you but you don't seem that good at giving a straight answer to a straight question! I'm not at your beck and call, we are all free to reveal as much or as little info as we choose. You don't run my life so don't try. Welcome back.!!! No, course you're not at my beck and call any more than I am at yours. But someone who never gives a straight answer to a straight question comes across to most people as dodgy if not downright dishonest. So I've got your card marked, Lassie. In my book you're probably a con artist!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 7, 2018 3:33:05 GMT
I'm not at your beck and call, we are all free to reveal as much or as little info as we choose. You don't run my life so don't try. Welcome back.!!! No, course you're not at my beck and call any more than I am at yours. But someone who never gives a straight answer to a straight question comes across to most people as dodgy if not downright dishonest. So I've got your card marked, Lassie. In my book you're probably a con artist! Perhaps I thought your question was ridiculous under the circumstances. If I wrote on a previous post that they were amused, then it stands to reason that they are not humourless, you should have recognized that.
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Post by donna on Apr 7, 2018 11:10:09 GMT
No, course you're not at my beck and call any more than I am at yours. But someone who never gives a straight answer to a straight question comes across to most people as dodgy if not downright dishonest. So I've got your card marked, Lassie. In my book you're probably a con artist! Perhaps I thought your question was ridiculous under the circumstances. If I wrote on a previous post that they were amused, then it stands to reason that they are not humourless, you should have recognized that. I've always found that people who can't do irony or humour always seem to be either fanatical or dishonest. And you certainly don't seem to know how to argue your case. You just say something and expect the rest of us poor plebs to go along with it, Miss High and Mighty!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 7, 2018 11:38:25 GMT
Perhaps I thought your question was ridiculous under the circumstances. If I wrote on a previous post that they were amused, then it stands to reason that they are not humourless, you should have recognized that. I've always found that people who can't do irony or humour always seem to be either fanatical or dishonest. And you certainly don't seem to know how to argue your case. You just say something and expect the rest of us poor plebs to go along with it, Miss High and Mighty! I'm obviously not interested in arguing my case. When I can see a person has a fixed mind, what is the point? I'm certainly not trying to convert anyone to my way of thinking. Just passing along my experiences, which I AM expecting you to believe is true. I wouldn't waste my time lying about my experiences.
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Post by mikemarshall on Apr 7, 2018 22:15:43 GMT
I've always found that people who can't do irony or humour always seem to be either fanatical or dishonest. And you certainly don't seem to know how to argue your case. You just say something and expect the rest of us poor plebs to go along with it, Miss High and Mighty! I'm obviously not interested in arguing my case. When I can see a person has a fixed mind, what is the point? I'm certainly not trying to convert anyone to my way of thinking. Just passing along my experiences, which I AM expecting you to believe is true. I wouldn't waste my time lying about my experiences. The 'person with a fixed mind' is YOU, Scottish Lassie. I do not seek to convert you but I do at least expect you to display elementary sensitivity towards others who feel differently from you. And I do believe that you have a moral duty to be intellectually honest and NOT to pretend that your opinions are anything other than that. You consistently present opinions as if they were FACTS when of course they are nothing of the kind.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 8, 2018 4:19:00 GMT
I'm obviously not interested in arguing my case. When I can see a person has a fixed mind, what is the point? I'm certainly not trying to convert anyone to my way of thinking. Just passing along my experiences, which I AM expecting you to believe is true. I wouldn't waste my time lying about my experiences. The 'person with a fixed mind' is YOU, Scottish Lassie. I do not seek to convert you but I do at least expect you to display elementary sensitivity towards others who feel differently from you. And I do believe that you have a moral duty to be intellectually honest and NOT to pretend that your opinions are anything other than that. You consistently present opinions as if they were FACTS when of course they are nothing of the kind. If most everyone is ignorant of the full truth, that also means you as well as me. I have found my source to be honest and without fault, so the only thing that I can do is to believe that I am being given the truth. I AM expecting you to believe that I am being truthful about my experiences, though I am not asking you to necessarily believe the same as I do. You can take from what I have said whatever you like. It is soley up to you.
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