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Post by mikemarshall on Jul 15, 2017 0:13:22 GMT
Anna, you really need to stop your myopic obsession with your distorted view of Islam.
This thread is about a Muslim woman who was murdered by a NON-MUSLIM.
You have posted more than enough vitriolic and false statements about Islam on plenty of other threads.
Please show some respect for the victim - I always do whatever their race or religion.
And as both I and my wife HAVE lived and worked in Saudi Arabia I suspect we know rather more about the country than you do!
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 17, 2017 0:02:49 GMT
Read the Quran Mike. It's a little book and a quick read.
Anna pretty much has it right.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2017 5:21:56 GMT
Yes, but to assume that killer targeted her only because she was a Muslim is jumping the gun. If the investigators express the belief it was a road rage killing than they likely have evidence to support this claim. The killer should be harshly punished regardless of his motive and the Mexican border should be air tight to keep homicidal predators like this one out of the US. Islamophobes are too wimpish to admit that anti-Muslim prejudice is just as irrational and dangerous as anti-Semitism, anti-tsiganism, or any OTHER kind of prejudice. And ALL extremists tend to be stupid. Look at the moron in America who murdered a Sikh because he couldn't tell the difference between Sikhs and Muslims. Why do you always make excuses for the scum who murder people if they belong to the 'wrong' ethnic/religious group? I condemn them ALL. There is no evidence that this girl was murdered because she was a muslim , so why is the fact she is a muslim relevant at all? perhaps she was murdered because she was a woman?
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 18, 2017 6:08:35 GMT
Yes mikemarshall and the Islamophile media jumped all over this tragic story trying to exploit it in typical George Soros fashion.
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Post by mikemarshall on Jul 20, 2017 22:06:42 GMT
Yes mikemarshall and the Islamophile media jumped all over this tragic story trying to exploit it in typical George Soros fashion. Rather like the Islamophobic media jump all over any tragic story and try to exploit it in typical Josef Goebbels fashion. The basic problem, Anna, is that you are as brainwashed and blinkered as the fanatics you rightly condemn. Just as you see everything in primary colours with no nuances or subtleties, so too do they. You see them as evil; they see you as evil. Essentially you are the same in your lack of balance, lack of respect for rights, toleration and lack of proportion.
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Post by mikemarshall on Jul 20, 2017 22:08:31 GMT
Read the Quran Mike. It's a little book and a quick read. Anna pretty much has it right. I have read the Quran, and Muslim scholars, and spoken with imams, and lived and worked in Turkey and Saudi Arabia. And Anna has it absolutely wrong.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 21, 2017 0:38:45 GMT
Read the Quran Mike. It's a little book and a quick read. Anna pretty much has it right. I have read the Quran, and Muslim scholars, and spoken with imams, and lived and worked in Turkey and Saudi Arabia. And Anna has it absolutely wrong. I disagree Mike. If you read the Quran, you cannot deny that it is a hateful screed that advocates jihad against unbelievers. The west has been at war, off and on, with Islam for 1400 years. Nothing has changed. They are resilient to say the least. They're now invading Europe with the intention of taking over like they did in Constantinople, Egypt, the Levant, and other places that they've invaded and infiltrated over the past 2000 years. Read my post about the Barbary Pirates. Muslims raided European coastal towns taking slaves for sale at auctons in Algiers, Tripoli, etc. They killed the kids and the old people focusing on the pretty young women and able bodied young men who could be productive slaves and fetch a good price at auction.. It is incredible how successful they've been at invading, conquering, and converting populations to their oppressive religion. Bosnia, Egypt, India (now Pakistan and Bangladesh), etc. all suffer from the excesses of that oppressive political regime masquerading as a religion. If up to me, all religions would be banned. Islam would be the first to go and good riddance.
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Post by mikemarshall on Jul 21, 2017 20:47:30 GMT
I have read the Quran, and Muslim scholars, and spoken with imams, and lived and worked in Turkey and Saudi Arabia. And Anna has it absolutely wrong. I disagree Mike. If you read the Quran, you cannot deny that it is a hateful screed that advocates jihad against unbelievers. The west has been at war, off and on, with Islam for 1400 years. Nothing has changed. They are resilient to say the least. They're now invading Europe with the intention of taking over like they did in Constantinople, Egypt, the Levant, and other places that they've invaded and infiltrated over the past 2000 years. Read my post about the Barbary Pirates. Muslims raided European coastal towns taking slaves for sale at auctons in Algiers, Tripoli, etc. They killed the kids and the old people focusing on the pretty young women and able bodied young men who could be productive slaves and fetch a good price at auction.. It is incredible how successful they've been at invading, conquering, and converting populations to their oppressive religion. Bosnia, Egypt, India (now Pakistan and Bangladesh), etc. all suffer from the excesses of that oppressive political regime masquerading as a religion. If up to me, all religions would be banned. Islam would be the first to go and good riddance. The Quran has many passages that repel me - so does every sacred text I have ever read from the Bible, the Bhaghavad Gita, the Tao Te Ching and the American Constitution. It also has many passages that breathe a spirit of love, toleration and are wholly admirable. Just as the other sacred texts I have mentioned do. All these documents were written by men to justify their own beliefs. And do not be naive enough to imagine that only Muslims (and in any case that is not even true of many of them) believe that the Quran is the word of God. I have met many Christians and Jews who believe the same. I have also met some Americans who seriously believe that the US constitution is the word of God. So do not throw the stupidities of some people as an excuse for prejudice. The West - even as a concept - did not really exist until the last two or three centuries. What I and perhaps you and some others of a broadly humanist persuasion regard as Western values did not become generally accepted until at least the latter half of the nineteenth century - if then. One could make a quite compelling case for saying that they have never been the mainstream of popular thought in the West. Rather as some people appear to imagine that Muslims invented slavery, so too some appear to imagine that they invented piracy. Piracy has been practised for thousands of years before Islam was even a word and the majority of pirates have been non-Muslim. It is simply mugging on the high seas and knows no religious dimension (except occasionally being offered as an excuse that even its apologists know is a dishonest one.) And it is dishonest to pretend otherwise. For what it is worth you and others have posted a number of factual errors and false statistics. When you have been shown to be in error have you (or the others who have acted likewise) responded in good faith, admitted that they were mistaken and accepted that they had made an honest mistake? No, they have not. Why not? If they were intellectually and morally honest they would have no problem about admitting an honest error. Clearly then, some other factor is at work, a prejudice that blinds them to unpleasant facts that conflict with their belief systems. They are, self-evidently, as bigoted and incapable of acknowledging their error as the people they (rightly) condemn for showing the same failing. Reason is one of the great gifts of the human mind and a preference for irrational prejudice over rationality is regrettable. And your final words highlight another fundamental difference between us. I am a libertarian; you are an authoritarian. Your first instinct is always to repress and suppress. That makes your political ideology a mirror image of the very people you condemn. As Thomas Jefferson said, 'a nation that chooses security over liberty will end up with neither.'
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Post by mikemarshall on Jul 21, 2017 20:49:02 GMT
And in any event this post is the WRONG place to make bigoted demonisations and condemnations of Islam since it is about a victim of crime who happened to be Muslim.
Where is your condemnation of her murder?
Where is your sympathy for her?
All you give her is to trash her memory.
Very sad and unworthy.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 22, 2017 15:35:19 GMT
Muslim piracy in the 18th century was far more evil than normal pirates like Blackbeard. Whole countries had gone into the piracy and slavery business directed by rulers such as the Pasha of Algiers. Their entire fleets were devoted to the endeavor. That's why they were so dominant in the Mediterranean sea. The seashores of Italy, Spain, and France are dotted with watch towers constructed to provide warning of impending attacks from the sea. Able bodied men and attractive young women would be sold into slavery in Tripoli, Algiers, and other ports. Some of the most attractive females made it into the Ottoman palace harem in Istanbul. Blonds were especially in demand. Old people, children, and men who resisted were killed. Counting both shore raids and attacks at sea, about 1.75 million Europeans were sold into Islamic slavery. I'm sure more people that that were slaughtered. Slaving was the major motivation for these pirates but cargos and everything else of value were confiscated. Let that 1.75 million figure sink in. For comparison, only about 388,000 African slaves were shipped to North America from 1525 to 1866 ( source:). Despite the fact that so many more European slaves, mostly caucasian, were taken by Islamic pirates, most people today are much more aware of the relatively tiny slave markets in the American Confederate States. That's a distortion of history and a big one. Watch this excellent historical video Though generally derelict, the towers still dot the coast like pearls on a string. On Salerno alone more than 80 tower ruins landmark the seaside for sailors and locals. Constructors placed the watch towers in positions where they could maintain visual or aural contact with the next tower and with the Norman castles and fortresses inland. If a lookout saw an enemy or unidentified ship approaching, he would light a fire on the flat roof of the tower to warn off neighbours and call assistance. Later on some of the towers were equipped with bells that could be struck with a hammer (martello) leading to the generic name martello towers. ♫anna♫
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Post by Deleted on Jul 22, 2017 18:13:36 GMT
I am still waiting for any evidence this was a murder related to the fact she was a muslim, so far none exists but it's still being used to perpetuate an agenda
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jul 23, 2017 23:54:54 GMT
Reason is one of the great gifts of the human mind and a preference for irrational prejudice over rationality is regrettable. And your final words highlight another fundamental difference between us. I am a libertarian; you are an authoritarian. Your first instinct is always to repress and suppress. That makes your political ideology a mirror image of the very people you condemn. As Thomas Jefferson said, 'a nation that chooses security over liberty will end up with neither.' No Mike, that's an incorrect reading. Anna and I are talking about the world the way it is. You are talking about the world the way you think it ought to be, especially with regard to Muslims. The problem with liberals is that they are dishonest and won't admit to reality. They want the world to fit into their preconceived notions of justice, love, and equality. Reality doesn't fit their prejudices. ♫anna♫
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 24, 2017 2:51:49 GMT
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