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Post by Deleted on Feb 3, 2017 13:11:49 GMT
and where did you "hear" that from , the voices in your head? Hi Gibby, NO.!!! I was given that information from someone who is spiritually enlightened far in advance of my enlightenment. Any more questions? See above So did that other person hear that from the voices in their head ?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Feb 3, 2017 13:23:38 GMT
Hi Lady Di, God doesn't need any help to do the job. But we do have to have love in our hearts. It is written in the Bible: 'love your neighbour as yourself' and also 'love your enemy' if we don't then we really are not followers of Jesus. Do you love Hitler? Hi Gibby, I love all Souls which is what we really are. It is the mind that commiits atrocities because of ignorance. We have been given freedom of choice because of the dual forces of positivity and negativity, you can choose either one. The mind makes the decisions and it is the mind that chooses whether it will be a decision for good or evil. I myself have chosen in this lifetime, to do good. In this world you can choose to love or choose to hate, it is up to everyone to make that choice.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Feb 3, 2017 13:50:21 GMT
Hi Gibby, NO.!!! I was given that information from someone who is spiritually enlightened far in advance of my enlightenment. Any more questions? See above So did that other person hear that from the voices in their head ? Hi Gibby, You evidently know very little about the workings of ECKANKAR. When you seek spiritual enlightenment, there is a process that takes place in order for a person to receive enlightenment, and when that happens, the person starts gravitating towards the Godhead. It says in the Bible that our understanding is as if we are looking through a glass darkly. In order to gain enlightenment we have to seek that enlightenment. It also says: ask and ye shall receive. If we follow these instructions then spiritual evolvement takes place. With each stage of development a person gains more spiritual understanding until you finally reach a stage that you are no longer in the dark about what life is all about. At the moment, the majority of people are blind and will remain like that until they start seeking spiritual enlightenment. That is about the gist of things, Seek and ye shall Find.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Feb 4, 2017 13:03:28 GMT
I totally agree, BA. Napoleon had faults and virtues; Hitler was a different kettle of fish. Napoleon might have been ruthless but he was never a mass murderer. Hi Big Lin, Creating war, turns you into a mass murderer. In war, people are killed and just because Napoleon sought power to control the world, just as Hitler did.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Feb 4, 2017 15:04:20 GMT
I totally agree, BA. Napoleon had faults and virtues; Hitler was a different kettle of fish. Napoleon might have been ruthless but he was never a mass murderer. Hi Big Lin, Creating war, turns you into a mass murderer. In war, people are killed and just because Napoleon sought power to control the world, just as Hitler did. Napoleon came to power just as the bloody French Revolution was winding down. In fact, he was selected by the leaders of the revolutionaries who had beheaded King Louie the sixteenth. European governments were monarchies at that time. The big powers, England, Spain, Russia, Austria, and Prussia all had their kings. Those monarchs were immediately hostile toward France because they wanted no part of any revolution such as the one that had just murdered the French king. They were equally upset because Napoleon was a commoner with no royal bloodline. Getting rid of Napoleon and restoring the French monarchy was very high on their collective priority lists. In addition, France was a traditional enemy of Britain and Austria. They already viewed each other as enemies before the French Revolution. I doubt very much that Napoleon had ambitions to conquer most of Europe when he first took power. That probably came later when he had tasted the glory of his many victories on the battlefield. Napoleon was, after all, a great general and military tactician moreso than anything else. He was only 43 when he died having already been in exile for several years. He was an amazing man.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Feb 4, 2017 15:31:04 GMT
May Hitler burn in Hell for all he did to innocent people! Hi Lady Di, God doesn't need any help to do the job. But we do have to have love in our hearts. It is written in the Bible: 'love your neighbour as yourself' and also 'love your enemy' if we don't then we really are not followers of Jesus. The key word in your Bible quote Scottish Lassie is NEIGHBOR !! Serial killers, the worst of the worst, the demons in human form that Christ describes in Matthew 13 are to be avoided and not achieve the status of neighbor. I think you misrepresent Eckankar because it teaches detachment in regards to toxic people. The liberal, utopian belief that if you shower the worst of the worst with love and "feel good smiles" they will eventually lighten up and discover their positivity and good traits is at best nonsense, if not a dehabilitating sickness that political correctness promotes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 4, 2017 19:26:40 GMT
See above So did that other person hear that from the voices in their head ? Hi Gibby, You evidently know very little about the workings of ECKANKAR. When you seek spiritual enlightenment, there is a process that takes place in order for a person to receive enlightenment, and when that happens, the person starts gravitating towards the Godhead. It says in the Bible that our understanding is as if we are looking through a glass darkly. In order to gain enlightenment we have to seek that enlightenment. It also says: ask and ye shall receive. If we follow these instructions then spiritual evolvement takes place. With each stage of development a person gains more spiritual understanding until you finally reach a stage that you are no longer in the dark about what life is all about. At the moment, the majority of people are blind and will remain like that until they start seeking spiritual enlightenment. That is about the gist of things, Seek and ye shall Find.!!! I've no idea what you're talking about
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Post by Big Lin on Feb 5, 2017 0:02:01 GMT
The basic thrust of it seems to be that enlightened people don't care about anyone but themselves.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Feb 5, 2017 5:03:34 GMT
Hi Big Lin, Creating war, turns you into a mass murderer. In war, people are killed and just because Napoleon sought power to control the world, just as Hitler did. Napoleon came to power just as the bloody French Revolution was winding down. In fact, he was selected by the leaders of the revolutionaries who had beheaded King Louie the sixteenth. European governments were monarchies at that time. The big powers, England, Spain, Russia, Austria, and Prussia all had their kings. Those monarchs were immediately hostile toward France because they wanted no part of any revolution such as the one that had just murdered the French king. They were equally upset because Napoleon was a commoner with no royal bloodline. Getting rid of Napoleon and restoring the French monarchy was very high on their collective priority lists. In addition, France was a traditional enemy of Britain and Austria. They already viewed each other as enemies before the French Revolution. I doubt very much that Napoleon had ambitions to conquer most of Europe when he first took power. That probably came later when he had tasted the glory of his many victories on the battlefield. Napoleon was, after all, a great general and military tactician moreso than anything else. He was only 43 when he died having already been in exile for several years. He was an amazing man. Hi BushAdmirer, Thanks for all the info. I remember the people of France rising up and beheading royalty because of the way that they were treated.In Napoleon's case, it just goes to show what a taste of power can do to a person, they then want to conquer the whole world.!!! He still was responsible for the lives of the men who lost their lives as he continued on until he was stopped and ended up as a prisoner in Elba.[/quote]
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Feb 5, 2017 5:27:44 GMT
The basic thrust of it seems to be that enlightened people don't care about anyone but themselves. Hi Big Lin, That is far from the truth, It is because we DO care that we say the things that we do. A person can allow themselves to drown in a sea of emotion and it doesn't change the circumstances one whit.!!! I hate to see people wallow in their own misery. Atrocities of any kind, or even bad behaviour that has happened in the past cannot be undone. Why spend the rest of time allowing certain happenings that you cannot change, be a blight on your life, making yourself miserable over it and perhaps ruining your health, It doesn't seem logical to me.!!! We Do have to learn to control our emotions one way or another.IMO.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Feb 5, 2017 5:39:33 GMT
Hi Gibby, You evidently know very little about the workings of ECKANKAR. When you seek spiritual enlightenment, there is a process that takes place in order for a person to receive enlightenment, and when that happens, the person starts gravitating towards the Godhead. It says in the Bible that our understanding is as if we are looking through a glass darkly. In order to gain enlightenment we have to seek that enlightenment. It also says: ask and ye shall receive. If we follow these instructions then spiritual evolvement takes place. With each stage of development a person gains more spiritual understanding until you finally reach a stage that you are no longer in the dark about what life is all about. At the moment, the majority of people are blind and will remain like that until they start seeking spiritual enlightenment. That is about the gist of things, Seek and ye shall Find.!!! I've no idea what you're talking about Hi Gibby, Ofcourse you don't.!!! You have to be seeing life from the perspective of a member of ECKANKAR, that is why I said that people will stay blind to the truth as we know it. Enlightenment is given in stages, if it wasn't, a person would no doubt, go mad. Life is not as most people think it to be. If you received the full truth in one go you wouldn't be able to comprehend it.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Feb 5, 2017 9:01:04 GMT
Hi Lady Di, God doesn't need any help to do the job. But we do have to have love in our hearts. It is written in the Bible: 'love your neighbour as yourself' and also 'love your enemy' if we don't then we really are not followers of Jesus. The key word in your Bible quote Scottish Lassie is NEIGHBOR !! Serial killers, the worst of the worst, the demons in human form that Christ describes in Matthew 13 are to be avoided and not achieve the status of neighbor. I think you misrepresent Eckankar because it teaches detachment in regards to toxic people. The liberal, utopian belief that if you shower the worst of the worst with love and "feel good smiles" they will eventually lighten up and discover their positivity and good traits is at best nonsense, if not a dehabilitating sickness that political correctness promotes.
Hi Anna, In my Bible when I was sudying as a reasonably young person, the saying was 'Don't throw pearls before swine'. ECKANKAR teaches detachment to the things of this Earth plane because it is not the reality.!!! We are Soul and the pure spiritual planes are the reality. The physical plane has been created to allow Soul the opportunity to have experiences that would not be available in the spiritual planes.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Feb 5, 2017 11:48:19 GMT
Napoleon was a nasty bit of work but compared to Hitler he was a heavenly angel. And of course the main point is that if this stupid woman seriously thinks Hitler was a 'sweet kid' then she has the moral sensitivity of a serial killer. You know, 27 January is Holocaust Memorial Day. I always get sad and introverted about that time. Relatives of mine were murdered by Hitler's goons and my uncle was an Auschwitz survivor. So I really don't appreciate your insensitivity in bringing your Eckist beliefs on to this particular thread. Hitler, like Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao and a few other psychos, achieved the power to destroy. So please don't come up with this sort of nonsense on that particular subject again. Hi Big Lin, Wise people don't dwell on the past, and by the way, have you forgotten that the way you treat another human being is the way that you treat your Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.!!!
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Post by Big Lin on Feb 5, 2017 20:10:05 GMT
Napoleon was a nasty bit of work but compared to Hitler he was a heavenly angel. And of course the main point is that if this stupid woman seriously thinks Hitler was a 'sweet kid' then she has the moral sensitivity of a serial killer. You know, 27 January is Holocaust Memorial Day. I always get sad and introverted about that time. Relatives of mine were murdered by Hitler's goons and my uncle was an Auschwitz survivor. So I really don't appreciate your insensitivity in bringing your Eckist beliefs on to this particular thread. Hitler, like Stalin, Pol Pot, Mao and a few other psychos, achieved the power to destroy. So please don't come up with this sort of nonsense on that particular subject again. Hi Big Lin, Wise people don't dwell on the past, and by the way, have you forgotten that the way you treat another human being is the way that you treat your Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.!!! Scottish Lassie, you are being monumentally insensitive. Basically you are spitting on the graves of the millions murdered by scumbags like Hitler, Stalin and their ilk. You are adopting a pose of superior smugness and, oh, never mind all that; it was in the past so you've got no right to feel sad, to shed tears, to grieve or to remember the murdered victims. Well, the way you are treating me on this thread I'd respectfully say is a way that my Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ would find deeply offensive and hurtful.
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Post by Big Lin on Feb 5, 2017 20:11:35 GMT
The key word in your Bible quote Scottish Lassie is NEIGHBOR !! Serial killers, the worst of the worst, the demons in human form that Christ describes in Matthew 13 are to be avoided and not achieve the status of neighbor. I think you misrepresent Eckankar because it teaches detachment in regards to toxic people. The liberal, utopian belief that if you shower the worst of the worst with love and "feel good smiles" they will eventually lighten up and discover their positivity and good traits is at best nonsense, if not a dehabilitating sickness that political correctness promotes.
Hi Anna, In my Bible when I was sudying as a reasonably young person, the saying was 'Don't throw pearls before swine'. ECKANKAR teaches detachment to the things of this Earth plane because it is not the reality.!!! We are Soul and the pure spiritual planes are the reality. The physical plane has been created to allow Soul the opportunity to have experiences that would not be available in the spiritual planes. Another example of how cults brainwash people into being smug, insensitive and callous. It's very easy to harden yourself to the suffering of others. But it's anything BUT spiritually enlightened to be like that.
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