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Post by Scottish Lassie on Nov 2, 2016 13:34:28 GMT
All religion is 100% nonsense. No religion has even an ounce of validity. So religion isn't about valid beliefs. There are no valid beliefs in any religion. Some religions possibly might do some good for mankind despite their invalidity. This can happen when they focus on charity, as when feeding the poor. Catholics and Mormons are especially good at charity despite the invalidity of their beliefs. Most religions however, do more harm than good. Islam is the worst of the worst in this regard. Hi Bush Admirer, You seem to have forgotten that in this physical realm, we all rely on our senses, so the experiences that you have and think to be real, are the same physical senses that everyone relies on in order to let them know what is going on in their lives. Can we really believe what our senses are telling us? So evidently we are all in the same boat, imagine that.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Nov 2, 2016 13:38:15 GMT
No, it's none of your business why I came to this board. But I did notice that you self-deleted. That wasn't accidental, was it? None of your business but since you brought it up I became tired of a board that is hostile to Christians. You won't see me returning. Hi Chefmate, we are all going to cry over the GREAT loss. Boo Hoo.
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Post by ariel on Nov 2, 2016 14:15:28 GMT
I see that she ran back to Beth's this morning.
She is clearly in some sort of personal crisis.
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Post by ariel on Nov 2, 2016 14:23:15 GMT
And I hope to turn the trend here in the direction of tolerance and mutual respect rather than bigotry, ignorance and prejudice. I no more 'grovel' to Islam than Chefmante 'grovels' to Christianity. For what it's worth I can't think of a SINGLE post on here that any REASONABLE person would consider as 'grovelling' to Islam. And I don't see any signs on here of 'grovelling' to leftism either though I certainly DO see 'grovelling' to rightism. Now this forum is a broad church. I welcome disagreements and different points of view. But I know from the experience of quite a few defunct forums that a board which STOPS representing a diversity of opinions ends up by dying. So I welcome left, right and centrists; liberals and conservatives; pro and anti-religious people; and so on. It's how I am and as long as I keep this forum going it's how I want this place to be. Dearest Big Lin We live in a world of uniqueness and things aren't equal. People can't be expected to put the stamp of equality on Islam or even African animism, if you are fully aware of the history, practice and contemporary forms of these religions. Yes the politically correct cringe at the brutal honesty that some of us express. Enabling any religion to get away with excesses such as killing cartoonists, stoning women for being raped, having a 14 century long history of brutal slavery versus the 3 centuries of Euro-American slavery, killing people for blasphemy, apostasy, being LBGT, etc.. The reputation of Islam deserves to be challenged and tarnished.
These certain Fundamentalist Muslims dare to try to intimidate us by their violence. I don't care if the majority of so called Muslims are peaceful. The later have failed us and seem to be just as intimidated by violent Fundamentalists as some Euro American people are. Being docile like sheep only encorages the Dark Age implemation of this cult to be practiced.
It's true that many Christians are ignorant about Christian teachings and this seems to be more the case with many Muslims.
The "moderate Muslims" have been unsuccessful or impotent in stopping the violence, oppression and excesses. Many of these moderates are just trying to silence our dissent to Fundamentalist Islam and any vocal dissenting Reformist Muslims. As much as I symphatise with decent Muslims I believe they'd do better by converting to Christianity. But I won't pressure anyone and free people are free to voice their opinions.
Good luck with that.
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Post by ariel on Nov 2, 2016 15:03:45 GMT
All religion is 100% nonsense. No religion has even an ounce of validity. So religion isn't about valid beliefs. There are no valid beliefs in any religion. Some religions possibly might do some good for mankind despite their invalidity. This can happen when they focus on charity, as when feeding the poor. Catholics and Mormons are especially good at charity despite the invalidity of their beliefs. Most religions however, do more harm than good. Islam is the worst of the worst in this regard. Religion, if nothing else, provides mooring and it seems to be a human need. How do you explain this? I am interested in learning all points of view. But this sense of absolute knowing, one way or the other, really bothers me. It bespeaks of ego, whereas religion requires the surrender of ego. How do you square this?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2016 21:27:28 GMT
for some reason it wont let me quote but i agree Bushadmirer , religion is absolute CRAP ! nothing good comes from it except an excuse for war and giving people an ego boost in thinking just because they believe some mumbo jumbo that they are better than others who will be going to hell as they dont believe , bollocks to that!
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Nov 2, 2016 21:45:34 GMT
All religion is 100% nonsense. No religion has even an ounce of validity. So religion isn't about valid beliefs. There are no valid beliefs in any religion. Some religions possibly might do some good for mankind despite their invalidity. This can happen when they focus on charity, as when feeding the poor. Catholics and Mormons are especially good at charity despite the invalidity of their beliefs. Most religions however, do more harm than good. Islam is the worst of the worst in this regard. Religion, if nothing else, provides mooring and it seems to be a human need. How do you explain this? I am interested in learning all points of view. But this sense of absolute knowing, one way or the other, really bothers me. It bespeaks of ego, whereas religion requires the surrender of ego. How do you square this? Man is a curious animal and has always wanted to know the unknowable. Just like Europeans in the middle ages wanted to know what happens if you sail off the edge of the flat earth, curiosity demands answers, even when there are none. No doubt nature is amazing and mankind has achieved a great deal. It does seem that there is some sort of design. Could this all have evolved randomly from microbes? I doubt it. But to get from that inellectual juncture to the dogma of any of the organized religions requires an epic gigantic leap in logic. I suppose a porpoise could be the smartest fish in the ocean, and very curious. But with no hands, no legs, no ability to survive away from salt water, those popoises ain't likely to know much about climbing Mount Everest. That mountain is simply unknowable for them based on their capabilities and tools at their disposal no matter how smart they are. Much about nature is similary unknowable to us too given our present tools and knowledge. For instance, ever star is similar to our sun. Every star could have planets like Earth. There are Billions of stars. To reach one of them, we would have to travel at the speed of light 186,000 miles per second, for years, perhaps millions of years. So what might be on those planets circumnavigating those stars is currently unknowable to us. We're like those porpoises. Perhaps some charlatan, with a name like Jesus, Mohammad, Joseph Smith, or Ron Hubbard will come forth and tell us that he's been in touch with the almighty and knows what's on those planets. Wouldn't surprise me in the least.
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Post by ariel on Nov 2, 2016 22:08:22 GMT
I understand your argument, BushAdmirer, but there is something fundamental in our recognition of God (or whatever you want to call it.)
People know the Godhead (like Scottish Lassie.) Others know that it's nonsense. I don't know how anyone can deny another's truth or deny their knowledge. Something to consider.
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Post by Big Lin on Nov 3, 2016 17:06:32 GMT
Knowledge is one thing; belief is another.
I'm a Christian but I don't KNOW that God exists and no intellectually honest atheist KNOWS that God DOESN'T exist.
You can argue about the balance of probability, Occam's Razor, logic and so on but the bottom line is that to claim you KNOW one way or the other goes beyond the evidence and is therefore an act of faith either way.
Remember the neutrino fiasco, BA?
(I'll ask Mike to go into more details because it's more his thing than mine).
But what it shows is that people should be very wary of confusing knowledge and opinions.
Whether they're theists or atheists.
As for Anna, you really do need to STOP presenting Islam as if it was a monolithic belief system.
Especially when you're conflating past and present.
That kind of guilt by association trip is as invalid as if I condemned all Christians on the basis of the Inquisition or the Ku Klux Klan.
You really do need to start to learn to sift fact from fiction.
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Post by kronks on Nov 4, 2016 2:51:37 GMT
I think religion or lack there of is essentially faith based.
You certainly cannot prove there is no God, certainly not an all powerful one, unless he wanted you to of course.
Neither side can supply a convincing proof to the other.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Nov 4, 2016 17:41:01 GMT
I understand your argument, BushAdmirer, but there is something fundamental in our recognition of God (or whatever you want to call it.) People know the Godhead (like Scottish Lassie.) Others know that it's nonsense. I don't know how anyone can deny another's truth or deny their knowledge. Something to consider. Hi Ariel, As a human being, I do not know the Godhead. Only as Soul is the Godhead knowable. When Soul inhabits a physical body, that knowing is forfeited and will only be known once again when through spiritual enlightenment we reach the Godhead. I was given a preview of the Soul plane once and I experienced total bliss, so I am aware of that, but not the Godhead where God dwells. Only the Mahanta has that privilege. I am still waiting to reach the Soul plane permanently. I only have six or seven years to go before my time is up, so if I have not received the spiritual enlightenment that I need then I will be reincarnated once more, back to this Earth plane. A person has to have resolved all their Karma with certain members of their immediate family before they can move on, and I don't think I have as yet.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Nov 4, 2016 17:54:06 GMT
I see that she ran back to Beth's this morning. She is clearly in some sort of personal crisis. Hi Ariel, Apparently it is alright to give your viewpoint on religion, but she was inclined to preach. On the other hand, I mostly talk about the experiences I have had, but have on occasion said that something could be found in the Bible and if the person is interested enough, they can look for themselves.
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Post by ariel on Nov 4, 2016 18:57:38 GMT
I understand your argument, BushAdmirer, but there is something fundamental in our recognition of God (or whatever you want to call it.) People know the Godhead (like Scottish Lassie.) Others know that it's nonsense. I don't know how anyone can deny another's truth or deny their knowledge. Something to consider. Hi Ariel, As a human being, I do not know the Godhead. Only as Soul is the Godhead knowable. When Soul inhabits a physical body, that knowing is forfeited and will only be known once again when through spiritual enlightenment we reach the Godhead. I was given a preview of the Soul plane once and I experienced total bliss, so I am aware of that, but not the Godhead where God dwells. Only the Mahanta has that privilege. I am still waiting to reach the Soul plane permanently. I only have six or seven years to go before my time is up, so if I have not received the spiritual enlightenment that I need then I will be reincarnated once more, back to this Earth plane. A person has to have resolved all their Karma with certain members of their immediate family before they can move on, and I don't think I have as yet. Well, you're as close to knowing the Godhead as anyone I've ever met. I'm sure that you will get there.
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Post by ariel on Nov 4, 2016 19:00:46 GMT
Scottish Lassie, this may sound terrible, but what do we do if you don't show up one day? I'll miss you.
I'll miss you so much.
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Post by ariel on Nov 4, 2016 19:05:43 GMT
I see that she ran back to Beth's this morning. She is clearly in some sort of personal crisis. Hi Ariel, Apparently it is alright to give your viewpoint on religion, but she was inclined to preach. On the other hand, I mostly talk about the experiences I have had, but have on occasion said that something could be found in the Bible and if the person is interested enough, they can look for themselves. I don't get the impression that she is spiritual. I rather feel sorry for her. I see that she ran back to Beth's after saying that she was not going to post on any more forums. She seems like a confused person.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Nov 4, 2016 19:37:49 GMT
Scottish Lassie, this may sound terrible, but what do we do if you don't show up one day? I'll miss you. I'll miss you so much. Hi Ariel, We go on as we usually do, but if you are aware that life goes on, a loss is easier to bear. We ofcourse are really thinking of ourselves, the person who has passed on will probably be back again and it is possible that they will come together again in some way if there is a strong enough bond between them, in another incarnation.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Nov 4, 2016 19:53:12 GMT
Hi Ariel, Apparently it is alright to give your viewpoint on religion, but she was inclined to preach. On the other hand, I mostly talk about the experiences I have had, but have on occasion said that something could be found in the Bible and if the person is interested enough, they can look for themselves. I don't get the impression that she is spiritual. I rather feel sorry for her. I see that she ran back to Beth's after saying that she was not going to post on any more forums. She seems like a confused person. Hi Ariel, Everyone has problems, we are here in order to learn, and in our ignorance we create problems for ourselves, so we accrue Karma. Until that karma is resolved we will stay as we are, ignorant. Seek and ye shall find, but not every person bothers.
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Post by ariel on Nov 4, 2016 20:09:24 GMT
Scottish Lassie, this may sound terrible, but what do we do if you don't show up one day? I'll miss you. I'll miss you so much. Hi Ariel, We go on as we usually do, but if you are aware that life goes on, a loss is easier to bear. We ofcourse are really thinking of ourselves, the person who has passed on will probably be back again and it is possible that they will come together again in some way if there is a strong enough bond between them, in another incarnation. I'm sick in bed, and you've made me cry. As far as anyone can love someone over the Internet, I want to tell you that I love you very much. You have given a lot to other people on these forums. Thank you.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Nov 4, 2016 20:14:08 GMT
Hi Ariel, We are all Souls and heading for the Godhead, though not everyone is aware of that. We only start on our journey according to my understanding, when we meet the Mahanta, God's messenger who is channelled by the Living ECK Master who is the wayshower.
I met God's messenger this time around, so I count myself very fortunate indeed. We each will reach the Godhead in our own good time, some quicker than others. We are the ones who make this decision.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Nov 4, 2016 20:23:36 GMT
Ariel, Ariel, Ariel, You have to stop being so emotional, I haven't given anyone anything. I have only been conversing with people for which I am most grateful. We do gain a lot of knowledge by being on the Internet, but in spiritual matters it is the Holy Spirit who leads. That is what is important.
Sorry to hear that you are still ill and not feeling the best. I on the otherhand am almost fully recovered. I shall be going shopping for groceries later on today for the first time in over two weeks. I have been fixing myself quick nourishing meals, in order to get well as rapidly as possible, but it has taken me over two weeks to reach this stage.
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