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Post by Big Lin on Dec 16, 2016 17:15:09 GMT
Hi Gibby, think what you like, I believe different as does the NeuroSurgeon who has since changed his mind after receiving his experience. Which means according to you, all the people in the Bible who heard God's voice were mentally ill. Tell that to all the thousands of Christians. Thousands of people do suffer from mental illness , hearing voices that are not there is a symptom of psychosis . It appears then that God only exists in people's heads 🤔 Well, lots of people commit murder because (they say) 'God told me to do it.' Were they mentally ill or were they hearing the voice of God? I know what my money's on.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Dec 17, 2016 6:39:57 GMT
Just recently a 12 year old Jihadist "toddler" planted two bombs in the German city of Ludwigshafen one at a heavily visited Christian market.
No religion in it's fundamentalist form teaches hate like Islam. worldmediamonitoring.com/list-quran-hate-quotes/ QUOTE: A list of Quran hate quotes From JihadWatch (September 14) — Does the Quran teach hate? Let’s see:
2:65 Allah transforms disobedient Jews into apes
“And well you know there were those among you [Jews] that transgressed the Sabbath, and We said to them, ‘Be you apes, miserably slinking!’
2:89 Unbelievers, particularly Jews, are accursed
“When there came to them [Jews] a Book from Allah, confirming what was with them — and they aforetimes prayed for victory over the unbelievers — when there came to them that they recognized, they disbelieved in it; and the curse of Allah is on the unbelievers.
2:191-193 Fight and kill unbelievers until “religion is Allah’s,” i.e. Islamic law rules all societies
“And slay them wherever you come upon them, and expel them from where they expelled you; persecution is more grievous than slaying. But fight them not by the Holy Mosque until they should fight you there; then, if they fight you, slay them — such is the recompense of unbelievers, but if they give over, surely Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate. Fight them, till there is no persecution and the religion is Allah’s; then if they give over, there shall be no enmity save for evildoers.”
3:28 Don’t take unbelievers as friends and allies, unless it is for “fear of them,” i.e. deceptively for protection of oneself or of Islam
“Let not the believers take the unbelievers for friends, rather than the believers — for whoso does that belongs not to Allah in anything — unless you have a fear of them. Allah warns you that You beware of Him, and unto Allah is the homecoming.”
3:110-112 Muslims are the best of people, Jews have earned Allah’s anger
“You are the best nation ever brought forth to men, bidding to honour, and forbidding dishonour, and believing in Allah. Had the People of the Book believed, it were better for them; some of them are believers, but the most of them are ungodly. They will not harm you, except a little hurt; and if they fight with you, they will turn on you their backs; then they will not be helped. Abasement shall be pitched on them, wherever they are come upon, except they be in a bond of Allah, and a bond of the people; they will be laden with the burden of Allah’s anger, and poverty shall be pitched on them; that, because they disbelieved in Allah’s signs, and slew the Prophets without right; that, for that they acted rebelliously and were transgressors.”
3:151 Allah will cast terror into the unbelievers’ hearts
“We will cast into the hearts of the unbelievers terror, for that they have associated with Allah that for which He sent down never authority; their lodging shall be the Fire; evil is the lodging of the evildoers.”
3:181 Jews are bound for hell
“Allah has heard the saying of those who said, ‘Surely Allah is poor, and we are rich.’ We shall write down what they have said, and their slaying the Prophets without right, and We shall say, ‘Taste the chastisement of the burning.’”
4:34 Beat disobedient women
“Men are the managers of the affairs of women for that Allah has preferred in bounty one of them over another, and for that they have expended of their property. Righteous women are therefore obedient, guarding the secret for Allah’s guarding. And those you fear may be rebellious admonish; banish them to their couches, and beat them. If they then obey you, look not for any way against them; Allah is All-high, All-great.”
4:160 Jews do evil, turn people away from Allah
“And for the evildoing of those of Jewry, We have forbidden them certain good things that were permitted to them, and for their barring from Allah’s way many…”
5:33 Crucify or amputate the hands and feet of those who make war against Allah and Muhammad
“This is the recompense of those who fight against Allah and His Messenger, and hasten about the earth, to do corruption there: they shall be slaughtered, or crucified, or their hands and feet shall alternately be struck off; or they shall be banished from the land. That is a degradation for them in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement.”
5:41 Jews listen to falsehood and pervert the meaning of their Scriptures
“O Messenger, let them not grieve thee that vie with one another in unbelief, such men as say with their mouths ‘We believe’ but their hearts believe not; and the Jews who listen to falsehood, listen to other folk, who have not come to thee, perverting words from their meanings, saying, ‘If you are given this, then take it; if you are not given it, beware!’ Whomsoever Allah desires to try, thou canst not avail him anything with Allah. Those are they whose hearts Allah desired not to purify; for them is degradation in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement.”
5:51 Don’t take Jews and Christians as friends and allies
“O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Whoso of you makes them his friends is one of them. Allah guides not the people of the evildoers.”
5:59-60 Jews cursed, made into apes and swine
“Say: ‘People of the Book, do you blame us for any other cause than that we believe in Allah, and what has been sent down to us, and what was sent down before, and that most of you are ungodly?’ Say: ‘Shall I tell you of a recompense with Allah, worse than that? Whomsoever Allah has cursed, and with whom He is wroth, and made some of them apes and swine, and worshippers of idols — they are worse situated, and have gone further astray from the right way.’”
5:64 Jews accursed
“The Jews have said, ‘Allah’s hand is fettered.’ Fettered are their hands, and they are cursed for what they have said. Nay, but His hands are outspread; He expends how He will. And what has been sent down to thee from thy Lord will surely increase many of them in insolence and unbelief; and We have cast between them enmity and hatred, till the Day of Resurrection. As often as they light a fire for war, Allah will extinguish it. They hasten about the earth, to do corruption there; and Allah loves not the workers of corruption.”
5:72 Christians are unbelievers
“They are unbelievers who say, ‘Allah is the Messiah, Mary’s son.’ For the Messiah said, ‘Children of Israel, serve God, my Lord and your Lord. Verily whoso associates with Allah anything, Allah shall prohibit him entrance to Paradise, and his refuge shall be the Fire; and wrongdoers shall have no helpers.’”
5:82 Jews most hostile to the Muslims
“Thou wilt surely find the most hostile of men to the believers are the Jews and the idolaters; and thou wilt surely find the nearest of them in love to the believers are those who say ‘We are Christians’; that, because some of them are priests and monks, and they wax not proud.”
6:91 Jews deny, conceal divine revelations
“They measured not Allah with His true measure when they said, ‘Allah has not sent down aught on any mortal.’ Say: ‘Who sent down the Book that Moses brought as a light and a guidance to men? You put it into parchments, revealing them, and hiding much; and you were taught that you knew not, you and your fathers.’ Say: ‘Allah.’ Then leave them alone, playing their game of plunging.”
6:146 Jews insolent
“And to those of Jewry We have forbidden every beast with claws; and of oxen and sheep We have forbidden them the fat of them, save what their backs carry, or their entrails, or what is mingled with bone; that We recompensed them for their insolence; surely We speak truly.”
7:166 Jews are apes
“And when they [Jews] turned in disdain from that forbidding We said to them, ‘Be you apes, miserably slinking!’”
8:12 Allah will terrorize unbelievers; Muslims should behead them
“When thy Lord was revealing to the angels, ‘I am with you; so confirm the believers. I shall cast into the unbelievers’ hearts terror; so smite above the necks, and smite every finger of them!’”
8:39 Fight unbelievers until Islam reigns supreme
“Fight them, till there is no persecution and the religion is Allah’s entirely; then if they give over, surely Allah sees the things they do.”
8:60 Make war against enemies of Allah
“Make ready for them whatever force and strings of horses you can, to terrify thereby the enemy of Allah and your enemy, and others besides them that you know not; Allah knows them. And whatsoever you expend in the way of Allah shall be repaid you in full; you will not be wronged.”
9:5 Slay the idolaters
“Then, when the sacred months are drawn away, slay the idolaters wherever you find them, and take them, and confine them, and lie in wait for them at every place of ambush. But if they repent, and perform the prayer, and pay the alms, then let them go their way; Allah is All-forgiving, All-compassionate.”
9:28 Idolaters unclean
“O believers, the idolaters are indeed unclean; so let them not come near the Holy Mosque after this year of theirs. If you fear poverty, Allah shall surely enrich you of His bounty, if He will; Allah is All-knowing; All-wise.”
9:29 Fight and subjugate the Jews and Christians
“Fight those who believe not in Allah and the Last Day and do not forbid what Allah and His Messenger have forbidden — such men as practise not the religion of truth, being of those who have been given the Book — until they pay the tribute out of hand and have been humbled.”
9:30 Jews and Christians assailed by Allah
“The Jews say, ‘Ezra is the Son of Allah’; the Christians say, ‘The Messiah is the Son of Allah.’ That is the utterance of their mouths, conforming with the unbelievers before them. Allah assail them! How they are perverted!”
9:31 Jews and Christians have taken their clergy and holy men as lords
“They have taken their rabbis and their monks as lords apart from Allah, and the Messiah, Mary’s son — and they were commanded to serve but One Allah; there is no god but He; glory be to Him, above that they associate.”
9:73 Be harsh with unbelievers
“O Prophet, struggle with the unbelievers and hypocrites, and be thou harsh with them; their refuge is Gehenna — an evil homecoming!”
9:111 Paradise guaranteed to those who kill and are killed for Allah
“Allah has bought from the believers their selves and their possessions against the gift of Paradise; they fight in the way of Allah; they kill, and are killed; that is a promise binding upon Allah in the Torah, and the Gospel, and the Koran; and who fulfils his covenant truer than Allah? So rejoice in the bargain you have made with Him; that is the mighty triumph.”
9:123 Fight the unbelievers, be harsh with them
“O believers, fight the unbelievers who are near to you; and let them find in you a harshness; and know that Allah is with the godfearing.”
47:4 Behead and slaughter the unbelievers; take others captive
“When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then, when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds; then set them free, either by grace or ransom, till the war lays down its loads. So it shall be; and if Allah had willed, He would have avenged Himself upon them; but that He may try some of you by means of others. And those who are slain in the way of Allah, He will not send their works astray.”
48:29 Be merciful to believers, not unbelievers
“Muhammad is the Messenger of Allah, and those who are with him are hard against the unbelievers, merciful one to another.”
62:6 Jews should long for death
“Say: ‘You of Jewry, if you assert that you are the friends of Allah, apart from other men, then do you long for death, if you speak truly.’”
98:6 Unbelievers are the worst of creatures
“The unbelievers of the People of the Book and the idolaters shall be in the Fire of Gehenna, therein dwelling forever; those are the worst of creatures.”
But as we all know, pointing this out is what is considered the act of hate nowadays, not these passages themselves. And a Hamas-linked Muslim Brotherhood front group like the Council on American-Islamic Relations, out for John Jamason’s head, is treated as if it were a respectable civil rights organization, while Jamason is in danger of being fired for telling uncomfortable and unpopular truths.worldmediamonitoring.com/list-quran-hate-quotes/DAS (formerly BushAdmirer)
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 17, 2016 11:17:02 GMT
Hi Gibby, think what you like, I believe different as does the NeuroSurgeon who has since changed his mind after receiving his experience. Which means according to you, all the people in the Bible who heard God's voice were mentally ill. Tell that to all the thousands of Christians. Thousands of people do suffer from mental illness , hearing voices that are not there is a symptom of psychosis . It appears then that God only exists in people's heads 🤔 Hi Gibby, It is amazing to me that seeing we are all relying on our senses for our experiences, that you should think that some experiences are real and some are not. We have a NeuroSurgeon who has had an out of the body experience, so you are going to list him as being mentally ill too even though he knows every part of the brain and what it is designed to do.yet you think you know better than him. You are definitely barking up the wrong tree if you believe that God is not communicating with people, but would rather believe that those who have heard god's voice are all mentaly ill. Oh well.!!! To each his/her own.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 17, 2016 11:29:38 GMT
Thousands of people do suffer from mental illness , hearing voices that are not there is a symptom of psychosis . It appears then that God only exists in people's heads 🤔 Well, lots of people commit murder because (they say) 'God told me to do it.' Were they mentally ill or were they hearing the voice of God? I know what my money's on. Hi BigLin, are you sure you have read the Bible? There are entities that can also communicate with human beings that is why we have to be doubly careful. We know that anyone telling a person to kill cannot be God as he specified in the Ten Commandments that Thou Shalt Not Kill' and I believe that to be true.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2016 18:09:31 GMT
Thousands of people do suffer from mental illness , hearing voices that are not there is a symptom of psychosis . It appears then that God only exists in people's heads 🤔 Hi Gibby, It is amazing to me that seeing we are all relying on our senses for our experiences, that you should think that some experiences are real and some are not. We have a NeuroSurgeon who has had an out of the body experience, so you are going to list him as being mentally ill too even though he knows every part of the brain and what it is designed to do.yet you think you know better than him. You are definitely barking up the wrong tree if you believe that God is not communicating with people, but would rather believe that those who have heard god's voice are all mentaly ill. Oh well.!!! To each his/her own. I'm not barking up the wrong tree , you are
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Dec 17, 2016 19:44:00 GMT
Just recently a 12 year old Jihadist "toddler" planted two bombs in the German city of Ludwigshafen one at a heavily visited Christian market.
No religion in it's fundamentalist form teaches hate like Islam. worldmediamonitoring.com/list-quran-hate-quotes/ QUOTE: A list of Quran hate quotes“The unbelievers of the People of the Book and the idolaters shall be in the Fire of Gehenna, therein dwelling forever; those are the worst of creatures.” But as we all know, pointing this out is what is considered the act of hate nowadays, not these passages themselves. And a Hamas-linked Muslim Brotherhood front group like the Council on American-Islamic Relations, out for John Jamason’s head, is treated as if it were a respectable civil rights organization, while Jamason is in danger of being fired for telling uncomfortable and unpopular truths. [/b] worldmediamonitoring.com/list-quran-hate-quotes/ [/quote] Of course I think all organized religions are 100% nonsense, but Islam is dangerous nonsense.
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Post by Big Lin on Dec 17, 2016 22:36:30 GMT
I could post loads of quotes from the Quran saying the OPPOSITE just as I could post quotes from the Bible (Old and New Testament), the Hindu scriptures, the Zend-Avesta and various other sacred books saying similar things.
Frankly the existence of such things in ALL sacred scriptures is enough to convince me that they were NOT inspired by God but were written by men who interpreted their own beliefs and visions as coming from God.
I grew up in a belief system (Presbyterianism) that not only told me NO non-Presbyterian would be saved but that even most Presbyterians were doomed to eternal damnation.
So let's not have the usual selective indignation hypocrisy.
Let's condemn ALL fanaticism and intolerance.
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Post by Big Lin on Dec 17, 2016 22:47:20 GMT
Well, lots of people commit murder because (they say) 'God told me to do it.' Were they mentally ill or were they hearing the voice of God? I know what my money's on. Hi BigLin, are you sure you have read the Bible? There are entities that can also communicate with human beings that is why we have to be doubly careful. We know that anyone telling a person to kill cannot be God as he specified in the Ten Commandments that Thou Shalt Not Kill' and I believe that to be true. Of course I've read the Bible. Probably more thoroughly than you have, SL. Leaving aside the question as to whether it was God who gave the Ten Commandments, the commandment in question actually says 'thou shalt not murder' and so does NOT rule out wars, self-defence, capital punishment and so on. And there are numerous occasions in the Bible where 'God' is alleged to have COMMANDED the killing - even to the point of genocide - of other people. So for me that's yet more proof that a human using God as an excuse is simply making excuses and that the Bible, like every other sacred book, was NOT written by God but by human beings who mistook their beliefs and opinions and personal experiences for the word of God. So maybe YOU should ask yourself if YOU have read the Bible?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 21, 2016 5:30:11 GMT
Hi Big Lin, I studied the Bible for two years. Not only that, we were taught how to find every verse and and what it said. You can't get anything more exact than that.!!!, there was no need to look up an accordance, it was all in your head.
In the Bible, I studied from, it definitely said Thou Shalt Not Kill. So perhaps a voice telling someone to kill another was not God's voice, perhaps it was maybe how the person wanted things to be, who knows? Then again maybe we are being tested, to see if we are taking God's instructions seriously?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 21, 2016 5:41:38 GMT
Hi Big Lin, My Parents were Presbyterians, but when I was a teenager I attended the Church of Christ which has a much kinder attitude towards people. There was no fear of fire and brimstone. I was only aware of loving your fellowmen. Isn't that what Jesus taught?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 22, 2016 15:38:00 GMT
Hi Gibby, think what you like, I believe different as does the NeuroSurgeon who has since changed his mind after receiving his experience. Which means according to you, all the people in the Bible who heard God's voice were mentally ill. Tell that to all the thousands of Christians. One neurosurgeon ? Well I don't think that is going to be changing the whole premise of psychiatry lol Hi Gibby, The NeuroSurgeon is the one that had the experience and he is the one who knows all about the brain. If you can't believe the fellow, who can you believe. And what about the children who have related their experiences to Dr Elizabeth Kubler Ross. She has written a book that states that the children had out of the body experiences due to the fact that they had died and were then brought back to life. Are they to be classed as being mentally ill too? Give me a break.!!!
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Post by chris on Aug 20, 2017 0:57:58 GMT
It's not a 'realisation' that 'different cultures' should 'not mix;' that's just a prejudiced opinion. Perhaps you regret the days of apartheid in South Africa? I don't. Life is nearly always a choice of evils and I can't really think of any positive things to say about any kind of separateness whether it's based on race or religion. And the FACTS are that NOBODY in America has been shot by a Muslim this year. 23 have by toddlers. And if it comes to that almost all 'school' and 'college' shooters are non-Muslim. So why don't you start condemning THEM simply for BEING non-Muslim? It's just as irrational as condemning Muslims simply for being Muslim. Hi BigLin, You do have a point, we are all Human beings and we live in the same World, It is how we each behave that is the problem. As there are two opposing forces the positive and the negative exerting their influence on all of us, we are responsible for which force we allow to rule our lives. It is a case of to each his/her own.
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Post by chris on Aug 20, 2017 1:07:23 GMT
Perhaps Krishnamurti is correct in his claim that ANY belief system is inherently authoritarian and that only by abandoning ALL belief systems can humanity progress. Hi MikeMarshall, It is TRUTH we are looking for, so we can just choose to believe what our experiences tell us.
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Post by mikemarshall on Aug 20, 2017 22:33:18 GMT
Perhaps Krishnamurti is correct in his claim that ANY belief system is inherently authoritarian and that only by abandoning ALL belief systems can humanity progress. Hi MikeMarshall, It is TRUTH we are looking for, so we can just choose to believe what our experiences tell us. There are experiences that only one person has and those need to be viewed with great caution. There are others that are open to all. But it is not enough simply to have experiences; it is also a question of keeping an open mind about the interpretation of those experiences.
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