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Post by kronks on Dec 2, 2016 5:45:27 GMT
Atheists have a belief for which there is no evidence, they cannot prove God does not exist thus they have a belief for which they have no evidence. You do not have to belong to a formal religion to believe in God. Religion is a matter of faith not intelligence. Kronks - I'm more of an agnostic than an atheist. Our view is that we don't know how all of our world was created, and neither do you or anyone else. It is one of the many unsolved mysteries of our time. One thing we do know for sure is that no organized religion has any validity. Well you may now for sure but many will disagree! Organised religion is essentially as valid as any organisation, but it is the belief not the organisation which is important. Being organised with out the belief is rather pointless.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 3, 2016 10:05:52 GMT
Atheists have a belief for which there is no evidence, they cannot prove God does not exist thus they have a belief for which they have no evidence. You do not have to belong to a formal religion to believe in God. Religion is a matter of faith not intelligence. Kronks - I'm more of an agnostic than an atheist. Our view is that we don't know how all of our world was created, and neither do you or anyone else. It is one of the many unsolved mysteries of our time. One thing we do know for sure is that no organized religion has any validity. Hi Bush Admirer, I don't know why not, I think every experience has validity. People do like to get together for friendship and other reasons.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 3, 2016 10:40:42 GMT
God shows his power of creation everyday in all things around us, but gave us the choice to accept or deny him. The saying "Seeing is believing" is interpreted differently by all! Our world is indeed an amazing place. It is far beyond our current level of knowledge, abilities, and science to explain the origins of life, the universe, and much more. The indisputable fact of these complexities doesn't validate organized religion(s) in any way, not even slightly. It simply says that there is much we don't know, and that is unknowable given our present abilities and knowledge. Man has always been a curious animal. He seeks to know the unknowable. That curiosity is what opened an opportunity for con men like Mohammad, Jesus, Joseph Smith, L Ron Hubbard, and similar shysters. Hi Bush Admirer, People come together because they think the same by perhaps having similar experiences. If a person hears a voice and there is no person around to be responsible for that voice, what is a person supposed to think? It is obvious that they will come to believe that someone who cannot be seen exists just the same. You have heard of the expression: 'Birds of a feather gather together' so that is why you have organized groups. You can each relate your particular experience or hire someone to teach your beliefs who have never known of it, they are the ones who believe by faith alone. There is definitely some Intelligence there and people have decided to call that Intelligence God, nothing much wrong with that. IMO.
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Post by ladydi on Dec 3, 2016 12:00:05 GMT
God shows his power of creation everyday in all things around us, but gave us the choice to accept or deny him. The saying "Seeing is believing" is interpreted differently by all! Our world is indeed an amazing place. It is far beyond our current level of knowledge, abilities, and science to explain the origins of life, the universe, and much more. The indisputable fact of these complexities doesn't validate organized religion(s) in any way, not even slightly. It simply says that there is much we don't know, and that is unknowable given our present abilities and knowledge. Man has always been a curious animal. He seeks to know the unknowable. That curiosity is what opened an opportunity for con men like Mohammad, Jesus, Joseph Smith, L Ron Hubbard, and similar shysters. Since you made this statement in the above post," Kronks - I'm more of an agnostic than an atheist. Our view is that we don't know how all of our world was created, and neither do you or anyone else. It is one of the many unsolved mysteries of our time. One thing we do know for sure is that no organized religion has any validity." If I may, if your "agnostic group" does not know the most vital details, how can you be so sure there is no "validity" anywhere else? By the way, I find it showing respect when you capitalized Jesus's name but wondering why you do not find it suitable to do the same with your "agnostic" belief? Personally, I do it because of honor and respect towards my one and only savor. Also, can you give me a valid reason WHY you know, beyond a shadow of a doubt, Jesus is a "con man" and "shyster"?
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Dec 3, 2016 14:50:42 GMT
Here is what I believe about religion,. George nails it with this short video.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2016 15:16:08 GMT
I guess we will all have to wait until we are dead to confirm anything either way
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2016 6:53:24 GMT
Our world is indeed an amazing place. It is far beyond our current level of knowledge, abilities, and science to explain the origins of life, the universe, and much more. The indisputable fact of these complexities doesn't validate organized religion(s) in any way, not even slightly. It simply says that there is much we don't know, and that is unknowable given our present abilities and knowledge. Man has always been a curious animal. He seeks to know the unknowable. That curiosity is what opened an opportunity for con men like Mohammad, Jesus, Joseph Smith, L Ron Hubbard, and similar shysters. Hi Bush Admirer, People come together because they think the same by perhaps having similar experiences. If a person hears a voice and there is no person around to be responsible for that voice, what is a person supposed to think? It is obvious that they will come to believe that someone who cannot be seen exists just the same. You have heard of the expression: 'Birds of a feather gather together' so that is why you have organized groups. You can each relate your particular experience or hire someone to teach your beliefs who have never known of it, they are the ones who believe by faith alone. There is definitely some Intelligence there and people have decided to call that Intelligence God, nothing much wrong with that. IMO. Hearing voices that are not there is a sign of mental illness.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 7, 2016 11:52:32 GMT
Hi Bush Admirer, People come together because they think the same by perhaps having similar experiences. If a person hears a voice and there is no person around to be responsible for that voice, what is a person supposed to think? It is obvious that they will come to believe that someone who cannot be seen exists just the same. You have heard of the expression: 'Birds of a feather gather together' so that is why you have organized groups. You can each relate your particular experience or hire someone to teach your beliefs who have never known of it, they are the ones who believe by faith alone. There is definitely some Intelligence there and people have decided to call that Intelligence God, nothing much wrong with that. IMO. Hearing voices that are not there is a sign of mental illness. WHO SAYS?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 8, 2016 7:26:02 GMT
I guess we will all have to wait until we are dead to confirm anything either way Hi Gibby, Soul might know after it leaves the body but when it picks up another body, the mind takes over again. It is the mind that is ignorant.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 7:39:12 GMT
Hearing voices that are not there is a sign of mental illness. WHO SAYS? Psychiatry !
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 7:39:38 GMT
I guess we will all have to wait until we are dead to confirm anything either way Hi Gibby, Soul might know after it leaves the body but when it picks up another body, the mind takes over again. It is the mind that is ignorant. "Might" , no ones knows for sure
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 8, 2016 12:58:38 GMT
Hi Gibby, how do THEY know? I believe that the Intelligence responsible for the creation of life woud be pretty stupid if they didn't initiate a way of communicating with their creation (human beings), don't you think?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 8, 2016 13:09:48 GMT
Hi Gibby, Soul might know after it leaves the body but when it picks up another body, the mind takes over again. It is the mind that is ignorant. "Might" , no ones knows for sure Hi Gibby, Some people DO know, I have travelled up the tunnel that Soul travels when it dies. We in ECKANKAR can travel to spiritual dimensions. I have seen myself die in many past lives.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 18:35:29 GMT
"Might" , no ones knows for sure Hi Gibby, Some people DO know, I have travelled up the tunnel that Soul travels when it dies. We in ECKANKAR can travel to spiritual dimensions. I have seen myself die in many past lives. Sure you have ....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 18:36:02 GMT
Hi Gibby, how do THEY know? I believe that the Intelligence responsible for the creation of life woud be pretty stupid if they didn't initiate a way of communicating with their creation (human beings), don't you think? No I don't think
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