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Post by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 13:02:23 GMT
Subjective Islam – Objective Islam Jul 25 2013 | by Bill Warner Some people don’t want to learn about Islam from someone who was not a Muslim, a professor or some other “approved” source of information. How can someone without a degree in Islam be an expert on it? The question is who can we trust to tell the truth about Islam? The answer you will get by going by talking to Muslims has the advantage that if you choose the right country and the right Muslim, you will get the “right” answer. But if you ask the “wrong” Muslim (usually called an extremist or radical Muslim) you will get the answer you won’t like. Is Saudi Arabia or Turkey the right country to go to? Is a Wahabbi imam or a Islamist scholar of Islam the right person to ask? Subjective Islam is a polling problem. Who you ask determines the answer you get. Apologists for Islam ask the “expert” who gives them the answer they want—Islam is wonderful. But there is one source of knowledge about Islam that is not subjective. If you talk to Muslims, you will find that there is one thing that they all agree on: There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger. This statement is the beginning of Islamic objective knowledge, since 100% of all Muslims believe it. Allah is found in the Koran. When you read and understand the Koran, you find that there are 91 verses that command all Muslims to imitate Mohammed, the divine human prototype. We find out what Mohammed did and said in order to imitate him in two places – Mohammed’s biography, the Sira, and his Traditions, the Hadith. And that is all there is to know about Islamic doctrine: • Koran • Sira • Hadith Objective truth: if it is in the Koran, Sira and Hadith, it is Islam. Islam is Allah and Mohammed, no exceptions. So skip asking a Muslim, going to a Muslim country or asking a professor. For objective answers, ask Mohammed and Allah. In other words, read the Koran, Sira and Hadith. The problem is that no one reads them is because they used to be difficult. Today are available because simple scientific methods have produced versions that anybody can read. For one example, see the Trilogy Project. Statistical methods reveal that there are two Korans, Mecca and Medina, and that there are two Mohammeds. In Mecca the Koran is religious, but only a 150 people became Muslims in 13 years time. Later in Medina, Mohammed became a politician and a jihadist, and the Koran becomes jihadic and political. There are two Islams, two sets of facts – Mecca and Medina. Preaching the religion in Mecca was a failure. But, Mohammed averaged an event of jihad every 6 weeks for the last 9 years of his life, and by the time he died, every Arab was a Muslim. So if you want peaceful Islam go to Mecca. If you want politics and violence, go to Medina. Islam is a dualistic system where peace and jihad exist side by side. Dualism allows “experts” to get what they want, a peaceful Islam in Mecca. See, there it is in the Meccan Koran—peace. Just don’t ever mention Medina and the news is good. However, the only trustworthy experts are Mohammed and Allah, found in Islam’s texts. They will tell you the whole truth and nothing but the truth. So, here is the rule to grade your experts: listen to those who quote Mohammed and Allah. And ask the expert: What else does Islam teach about this? Get the whole truth, the whole story. Better yet, since the Koran, Sira and Hadith have been made readable by the average person, read the texts and become an expert yourself by quoting Allah and Mohammed. You will bring objective Islam to your world. ________________________________________ www.politicalislam.com
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jun 8, 2016 17:22:59 GMT
Bingo!
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jun 8, 2016 17:43:29 GMT
And the absolute FACTS are that an opinion is not, by definition, a FACT and that a lie is never, by definition, ever the truth. that is precisely why i am so astounded that you spout totally false opinions instead of some semblance of facts, and repeatedly spew the outright lies when the reality is right in front of you, and those of us who DO comprehend reality constantly show you the truth. Facts and opinions are indeed different things, but the most valid opinions are those based on the facts rather than those based on a belief system like a religion or values you might hold such as political correctness (PC). In my experience, the PC crowd purposely disavows facts and distorts the facts in an effort to support their warped views. One of the favorite tactics of the PC people is to label anyone who disagrees with their biased views using a derogatory term like Racist, Islamophone, Homophone, Climate Denier, etc. Most people who get labelled as Islamophobic by these people are just confronting them with common sense, which they don't want to hear.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jun 8, 2016 17:44:49 GMT
Once again, I would refer you to www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/site/the-list.aspx which is a website that collects and documents information on Islamist terrorist acts. They list specific terrorist acts that were religiously motivated and they are careful to curate the list. They don't want ordinary crimes to be included, only those that had an Islamic religious motivation. I believe their site is well documented and very credible. These are the facts. If you can't accept these facts, then you are just in denial.
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Post by Big Lin on Jun 8, 2016 21:49:57 GMT
Once again, I would refer you to www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/site/the-list.aspx which is a website that collects and documents information on Islamist terrorist acts. They list specific terrorist acts that were religiously motivated and they are careful to curate the list. They don't want ordinary crimes to be included, only those that had an Islamic religious motivation. I believe their site is well documented and very credible. These are the facts. If you can't accept these facts, then you are just in denial. BA, I have given you the facts more than once. Since a) you appear unable to distinguish between opinion, propaganda and fact; b) you simply refuse to accept facts that contradict your own belief system, then the obvious conclusion is that you are just in denial. Sorry.
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Post by Big Lin on Jun 8, 2016 22:13:31 GMT
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jun 8, 2016 22:15:05 GMT
Once again, I would refer you to www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/site/the-list.aspx which is a website that collects and documents information on Islamist terrorist acts. They list specific terrorist acts that were religiously motivated and they are careful to curate the list. They don't want ordinary crimes to be included, only those that had an Islamic religious motivation. I believe their site is well documented and very credible. These are the facts. If you can't accept these facts, then you are just in denial. BA, I have given you the facts more than once. Since a) you appear unable to distinguish between opinion, propaganda and fact; b) you simply refuse to accept facts that contradict your own belief system, then the obvious conclusion is that you are just in denial. Sorry. Hi Lin - i must say that I'm disappointed with your reply. You are ignoring the facts and claiming otherwise. The relevant facts would be the list of Muslim atrocities committed daily worldwide. These attacks are carefully and truthfully documented on www.thereligionofpeace.com That's all that really matters. These people are animals without a conscience. They deserve zero sympathy and zero tax payer support. England, France, and the rest of Europe should be kicking them out upon arrival. Religious Muslims are incapable of integrating in western society. They need to be kicked out and sooner rather than later. They bring many negatives with them and zero positives. We're all better off without them. Iamjumbo is 100% correct in his assessment. He's nailed it with his posts here. I especially like the fact that he didn't allow for any wiggle room. Facts are facts and they don't deserve to be massaged, altered, or spun. Trying to find and report on a good side of Islam is a fool's errand. That's because there is no good side.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 9, 2016 14:56:18 GMT
Subjective Islam – Objective Islam Jul 25 2013 | by Bill Warner Some people don’t want to learn about Islam from someone who was not a Muslim, a professor or some other “approved” source of information. How can someone without a degree in Islam be an expert on it? The question is who can we trust to tell the truth about Islam? The answer you will get by going by talking to Muslims has the advantage that if you choose the right country and the right Muslim, you will get the “right” answer. But if you ask the “wrong” Muslim (usually called an extremist or radical Muslim) you will get the answer you won’t like. Is Saudi Arabia or Turkey the right country to go to? Is a Wahabbi imam or a Islamist scholar of Islam the right person to ask? Subjective Islam is a polling problem. Who you ask determines the answer you get. Apologists for Islam ask the “expert” who gives them the answer they want—Islam is wonderful. But there is one source of knowledge about Islam that is not subjective. If you talk to Muslims, you will find that there is one thing that they all agree on: There is no god but Allah and Mohammed is his messenger. This statement is the beginning of Islamic objective knowledge, since 100% of all Muslims believe it. Allah is found in the Koran. When you read and understand the Koran, you find that there are 91 verses that command all Muslims to imitate Mohammed, the divine human prototype. We find out what Mohammed did and said in order to imitate him in two places – Mohammed’s biography, the Sira, and his Traditions, the Hadith. And that is all there is to know about Islamic doctrine: • Koran • Sira • Hadith Objective truth: if it is in the Koran, Sira and Hadith, it is Islam. Islam is Allah and Mohammed, no exceptions. So skip asking a Muslim, going to a Muslim country or asking a professor. For objective answers, ask Mohammed and Allah. In other words, read the Koran, Sira and Hadith. The problem is that no one reads them is because they used to be difficult. Today are available because simple scientific methods have produced versions that anybody can read. For one example, see the Trilogy Project. Statistical methods reveal that there are two Korans, Mecca and Medina, and that there are two Mohammeds. In Mecca the Koran is religious, but only a 150 people became Muslims in 13 years time. Later in Medina, Mohammed became a politician and a jihadist, and the Koran becomes jihadic and political. There are two Islams, two sets of facts – Mecca and Medina. Preaching the religion in Mecca was a failure. But, Mohammed averaged an event of jihad every 6 weeks for the last 9 years of his life, and by the time he died, every Arab was a Muslim. So if you want peaceful Islam go to Mecca. If you want politics and violence, go to Medina. Islam is a dualistic system where peace and jihad exist side by side. Dualism allows “experts” to get what they want, a peaceful Islam in Mecca. See, there it is in the Meccan Koran—peace. Just don’t ever mention Medina and the news is good. However, the only trustworthy experts are Mohammed and Allah, found in Islam’s texts. They will tell you the whole truth and nothing but the truth. So, here is the rule to grade your experts: listen to those who quote Mohammed and Allah. And ask the expert: What else does Islam teach about this? Get the whole truth, the whole story. Better yet, since the Koran, Sira and Hadith have been made readable by the average person, read the texts and become an expert yourself by quoting Allah and Mohammed. You will bring objective Islam to your world. ________________________________________ www.politicalislam.comthat is the problem. NO ONE, who tries to claim that islam is peaceful has bothered to read the qu'ran. the imans who do, do it simply to lie and confuse the fools loking to be brainwashed. the qu'ran is NOT hard to read. also, you have to read the right qu'ran, what the pedophile actually wrote. reading the false translations by those who are trying to fool everyone is NOT reading the qu'ran. NO ONE who has not read the entire qu'ran and the hadiths has ANY credibility
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 9, 2016 14:59:31 GMT
that is precisely why i am so astounded that you spout totally false opinions instead of some semblance of facts, and repeatedly spew the outright lies when the reality is right in front of you, and those of us who DO comprehend reality constantly show you the truth. Facts and opinions are indeed different things, but the most valid opinions are those based on the facts rather than those based on a belief system like a religion or values you might hold such as political correctness (PC). In my experience, the PC crowd purposely disavows facts and distorts the facts in an effort to support their warped views. One of the favorite tactics of the PC people is to label anyone who disagrees with their biased views using a derogatory term like Racist, Islamophone, Homophone, Climate Denier, etc. Most people who get labelled as Islamophobic by these people are just confronting them with common sense, which they don't want to hear. BINGO!! the nutjobs that run around screaming tolerance are the most intolerant bigots to ever walk the earth. facts and reality are anathema to them
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 9, 2016 15:01:29 GMT
Once again, I would refer you to www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/site/the-list.aspx which is a website that collects and documents information on Islamist terrorist acts. They list specific terrorist acts that were religiously motivated and they are careful to curate the list. They don't want ordinary crimes to be included, only those that had an Islamic religious motivation. I believe their site is well documented and very credible. These are the facts. If you can't accept these facts, then you are just in denial. for sure, that is about the most authoritative site out there
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 9, 2016 15:05:37 GMT
Once again, I would refer you to www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/site/the-list.aspx which is a website that collects and documents information on Islamist terrorist acts. They list specific terrorist acts that were religiously motivated and they are careful to curate the list. They don't want ordinary crimes to be included, only those that had an Islamic religious motivation. I believe their site is well documented and very credible. These are the facts. If you can't accept these facts, then you are just in denial. BA, I have given you the facts more than once. Since a) you appear unable to distinguish between opinion, propaganda and fact; b) you simply refuse to accept facts that contradict your own belief system, then the obvious conclusion is that you are just in denial. Sorry. wrong hon. everything that you have put up is left wing, pc propaganda. WE have given YOU the facts. your refusal to accept the irrefutable reality right in front of your face clearly shows your denial
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 9, 2016 15:08:20 GMT
muz zies murdered more people on 9/11 than the ira has killed in their existence. just the muz zie attack in paris killed more people than any other kind of terrorsim in the past decade get a grip hon
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2016 18:32:16 GMT
Following here is a link to Muhammad’s murdering of the men of a Jewish tribe with no reason other than to do it. That is he killed and had killed 600 to nearly 900 such Jews. The remaining women and children were taken into slavery. The article describing these barbaric acts of Muhammad have attached sources to establish credibility. This is a single and significant example of Islamic sources demonstrating the savage acts of Muhammad that are examples of his barbarism that are the ideal role model for all Muslims: www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/qurayza_jews.htm
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 10, 2016 8:51:28 GMT
muz zies murdered more people on 9/11 than the ira has killed in their existence. just the muz zie attack in paris killed more people than any other kind of terrorsim in the past decade get a grip hon Hi Iamjumbo, You seem to be full of disdain most of the time. Do you ever have respect for anyone. What's with the Muz zies?
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 10, 2016 12:11:39 GMT
muz zies murdered more people on 9/11 than the ira has killed in their existence. just the muz zie attack in paris killed more people than any other kind of terrorsim in the past decade get a grip hon Hi Iamjumbo, You seem to be full of disdain most of the time. Do you ever have respect for anyone. What's with the Muz zies? how do i have disdain? i respect EVERYONE who deserves respect
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 10, 2016 12:14:21 GMT
Following here is a link to Muhammad’s murdering of the men of a Jewish tribe with no reason other than to do it. That is he killed and had killed 600 to nearly 900 such Jews. The remaining women and children were taken into slavery. The article describing these barbaric acts of Muhammad have attached sources to establish credibility. This is a single and significant example of Islamic sources demonstrating the savage acts of Muhammad that are examples of his barbarism that are the ideal role model for all Muslims: www.answering-islam.org/Authors/Arlandson/qurayza_jews.htm of course, that is the truth, and truth is anathema to those who adore the pedophile, and those who adore those who follow him
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Post by Big Lin on Jun 10, 2016 14:10:57 GMT
No, Jim; truth is anathema to those who have closed minds.
It doesn't matter WHERE the intolerance comes from; it doesn't matter WHERE the oppression and authoritarianism comes from.
Whatever the source, it's just plain WRONG.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 10, 2016 21:10:14 GMT
Hi Iamjumbo, You seem to be full of disdain most of the time. Do you ever have respect for anyone. What's with the Muz zies? how do i have disdain? i respect EVERYONE who deserves respect Hi Iamjumbo, Have you ever heard of the saying 'Beauty is in the eye of the beholder'? The same applies to respect. Just because you see yourself as judge and jury, doesn't mean that you are correct.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 11, 2016 20:09:55 GMT
how do i have disdain? i respect EVERYONE who deserves respect Hi Iamjumbo, Have you ever heard of the saying 'Beauty is in the eye of the beholder'? The same applies to respect. Just because you see yourself as judge and jury, doesn't mean that you are correct. of course, since i AM correct, i give respect ONLY when it is warranted
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Post by iamjumbo on Jun 11, 2016 20:13:10 GMT
No, Jim; truth is anathema to those who have closed minds. It doesn't matter WHERE the intolerance comes from; it doesn't matter WHERE the oppression and authoritarianism comes from. Whatever the source, it's just plain WRONG. that's quite true, but, the hypocritical bigots are never called on it.
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