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Post by blc on Jun 7, 2016 17:39:05 GMT
Hi Anna. When it comes flown to the crux of the matter, each individual is really only responsible for their own behaviour not for anyone else's, so we each have the hard decision as to what course to take. It is very confusing at times.. I do know that no person is going to move forward spiritually if they are still behaving in a violent and aggressive manner and a choice has to be made. We are supposed to reach a stage where we are meek mannered and humble. How is that achieved? I prefer to live with passion, risks and conviction! You'd be surprised how a forceful, resolute and confrontive stare alone can unsettle bullies. I'm with you Anna. Even Jesus got mad and overturned the moneychangers tables!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 9, 2016 23:26:01 GMT
If bullies are up against total pacifists the bullies will run the show. Hi Anna, If we should then retaliate, we are behaving in the very same way that we dislike so much in the bullies.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 9, 2016 23:54:46 GMT
Hi BLC, who said that he got mad? In all that we read about Jesus, he never showed any anger. Yes he might have overturned the tables of the money changers, but it could have been in a controlled 'matter of fact' way. To let them know that they were not to do what they were doing.
There is a difference.!!! Jesus came to teach by example, which doesn't necessarily mean that he was consumed with anger. Nowhere in the Bible does it show that Jesus ever showed anger.so you are just assuming that he was full of anger. He was a very special person, sent by God.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 10, 2016 12:56:40 GMT
I try to avoid the debate about who is a true Muslim. There is a lot of infighting in Islam. Mideastern/Islamic nations keep their borders closed to Muslim immigrants + refugees from other countries because of the danger of terrorism. We should follow this example. iamjumbo DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) @menantol kronks blc Big Lin
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jun 10, 2016 13:53:30 GMT
So many contradictions in Islam. Those two videos that Anna posted do a good job of laying them out for us.
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Post by Big Lin on Jun 10, 2016 14:07:29 GMT
So many contradictions in Islam. Those two videos that Anna posted do a good job of laying them out for us. There are contradictions in every belief system; it's what happens when facts collide with opinions.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jun 10, 2016 16:09:31 GMT
So many contradictions in Islam. Those two videos that Anna posted do a good job of laying them out for us. There are contradictions in every belief system; it's what happens when facts collide with opinions. Facts are far and few between in every religion. Believers have ingested their particular brand of dogma. If religions depended on facts, there wouldn't, and couldn't, be any religions. There are only two ways to become a Muslim. The first is being born into a Muslim family, growing up around Mosques, and being thoroughly brainwashed from birth. The only other way is to be someone who is both extremely gullible and not very intelligent. Then, and only then, could you possible sign up for that huge load of nonsense that is the Quran. And that is the real deal.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 10, 2016 21:32:20 GMT
So many contradictions in Islam. Those two videos that Anna posted do a good job of laying them out for us. There are contradictions in every belief system; it's what happens when facts collide with opinions. Hi Big Lin, I have a complaint to make. There should be a create a post at the end of each page so that we can reply to a post. Some posts are much too long for using the quote symbol.
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Post by Big Lin on Jun 10, 2016 22:04:17 GMT
There are contradictions in every belief system; it's what happens when facts collide with opinions. Facts are far and few between in every religion. Believers have ingested their particular brand of dogma. If religions depended on facts, there wouldn't, and couldn't, be any religions. There are only two ways to become a Muslim. The first is being born into a Muslim family, growing up around Mosques, and being thoroughly brainwashed from birth. The only other way is to be someone who is both extremely gullible and not very intelligent. Then, and only then, could you possible sign up for that huge load of nonsense that is the Quran. And that is the real deal. BA, sometimes intelligence doesn't always go with logic. Whether or not Islam, Christianity or any other belief system (including capitalism) is good or bad is NOT a question of FACT. It's a question of OPINION. Now you can argue about whether or not any belief system (or any particular belief) is TRUE because that IS to a certain extent possible. So, for instance, I can (and do!) argue with certain types of Christians who believe that every word in the Bible is literally true and that the world was created about six thousand years ago and so on. Those things can be proved or disproved. But although you can argue against any belief system on moral grounds no moral statement can be 'true' or 'false.' So all questions of morality - and I have my own very passionate beliefs about what is and what is not moral - remain and always will remain questions of OPINION and NOT of fact.
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Post by Big Lin on Jun 10, 2016 22:05:16 GMT
There are contradictions in every belief system; it's what happens when facts collide with opinions. Hi Big Lin, I have a complaint to make. There should be a create a post at the end of each page so that we can reply to a post. Some posts are much too long for using the quote symbol. Why don't you copy and paste the bits you want to reply to (I do that sometimes and use bold text for the original to distinguish it from my reply)?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 10, 2016 22:26:20 GMT
re copy and paste: I am using an IPhone, and don't know how to do that anyway. I'm a slow learner.!!! It is easer for me to have the words 'reply to topic' or 'create a post' at the end of each page. I hope it is there permanently. Thanks Big Lin. I hope that your husband is now on the mend. It is a worry when someone becomes ill. All the best to you and your family.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 10, 2016 22:44:29 GMT
Hi Bush Admirer, why do you think that some people are gullible and lacking in intelligence if they believe in the Koran? It is experiences in life that teach a person and promotes what they come to believe. That is why we all have different beliefs, which in turn makes us the person that we are.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jun 10, 2016 23:58:09 GMT
Facts are far and few between in every religion. Believers have ingested their particular brand of dogma. If religions depended on facts, there wouldn't, and couldn't, be any religions. There are only two ways to become a Muslim. The first is being born into a Muslim family, growing up around Mosques, and being thoroughly brainwashed from birth. The only other way is to be someone who is both extremely gullible and not very intelligent. Then, and only then, could you possible sign up for that huge load of nonsense that is the Quran. And that is the real deal. BA, sometimes intelligence doesn't always go with logic. Whether or not Islam, Christianity or any other belief system (including capitalism) is good or bad is NOT a question of FACT. It's a question of OPINION. Now you can argue about whether or not any belief system (or any particular belief) is TRUE because that IS to a certain extent possible. So, for instance, I can (and do!) argue with certain types of Christians who believe that every word in the Bible is literally true and that the world was created about six thousand years ago and so on. Those things can be proved or disproved. But although you can argue against any belief system on moral grounds no moral statement can be 'true' or 'false.' So all questions of morality - and I have my own very passionate beliefs about what is and what is not moral - remain and always will remain questions of OPINION and NOT of fact. Lin - You are reinforcing my point that no religion is fact based. All are conjecture by mankind. None have any proofs, only opinions. The most devout offer old books as proofs, but those are very weak arguments with no factual basis. Capitalism is not a religion but may be a belief system. Unlike religions, Capitalism does have substantial evidence in support. Just look at the current standard of living in Capitalist countries and compare to Communist/Socialist countries like Cuba, Venezuela, etc. I think China today vs China under Chairman Mao offers the best proof that Capitalism really does work economic miracles. When China acquired Hong Kong from the Brits, they could see that Hong Kong was far more prosperous than Mao's China. Their government then let the genie out of the bottle. The results have been spectacular. China is now the supplier to the world, and all because they've embraced Capitalism and free trade.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 14, 2016 23:27:32 GMT
This Quran passage appears to threaten true moderate Muslims, e.g. those who accept parts of Islam and reject other parts, with the "severest of punishment" in the afterlife. SAHIH INTERNATIONAL QUOTE: Quran 2: 85 So do you believe in part of the Scripture and disbelieve in part? Then what is the recompense for those who do that among you except disgrace in worldly life; and on the Day of Resurrection they will be sent back to the severest of punishment. And Allah is not unaware of what you do. quran.com/2/85
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Post by blc on Jun 15, 2016 6:00:28 GMT
There are contradictions in every belief system; it's what happens when facts collide with opinions. Hi Big Lin, I have a complaint to make. There should be a create a post at the end of each page so that we can reply to a post. Some posts are much too long for using the quote symbol. There already is. Scroll down to the bottom and use the Quick Reply.
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