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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jan 15, 2016 16:54:31 GMT
I don't think that a) we DO 'deny our own' culture; b) the problem is that ISIS and their mob DON'T believe in multiculturalism; they believe in MONOCULTURALISM. It's obvious that Western military intervention and the removing or weakening the previous governments, which suppressed the Muslim extremists of this ilk has caused the problems we have now in Syria, Iraq, etc... People want to believe that it's simply US + Western European government stupidity and incompetence behind the intervention, but I believe there is an agenda to start a major war against the Muslim nations by enabling ISIS to rise to some degree of power. This war will only benefit Plutocrat bankers and the One World government agenda. [/font][/font] [/quote] Anna - I don't think there is a conspiracy, plutocrat bankers, or any one world agenda. Also disagree with your argument that Western military intervention created this problem. Bush, Chaney, and Rumsfeld had the situation in Iraq pretty much under control. US Marines were patrolling Mosul and the streets were relatively safe in most cities. This problem really arose when Obama pulled out the troops prematurely thus giving Al Queda in Iraq the opportunity to morph into Daesh and grab territory. The other contributing factors were the Iraqi government's favoritism of Shiites and discrimination against Sunnis. The other major factor was Assad's transgressions against Sunni communities in Syria. These three factors created a perfect storm of opportunity for Daesh to recruit embittered Sunnis and get organized. The unexpected surprise attack on Mosul, and abandonment of weaponry by the fleeing Iraqi military gave them a large cache of weapons. Looting the banks in Mosul and taking over oil producing regions gave them money to fund their operations. Sympathetic Sunnis helped them to infiltrate and served as collaborators in the cities and towns they took over. You should note that they've only conquered Sunni towns, and for that reason.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 15, 2016 22:23:41 GMT
The problem is that Social Darwinism is not the same as Darwinism in the evolutionary biology sense. Unfortunately they were deliberately confused by the eugenics lobby and like most bad ideas picked up by the Nazis and others of that ilk. And I don't support separatism or assimilation; I believe in diversity which means mutual respect, mutual interaction and the preservation of unity within diversity. Hi BigLin, that sounds good to me, but didn't Hitler also believe in the supernatural?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 15, 2016 22:38:22 GMT
Scottish Lassie since you believe that wrongful actions cause "bad karma" you're interpretation of Darwinism may be different. From a strictly scientific basis only observable data, which can be repeated under controlled circumstances is admissible. The assummption that wrongful actions by the nature of God's plan or the design of the universe will return to whoever caused it would be nothing more than an unsupportable and unscientific assumption.
The materialist atheist Darwinists usually concede that "might makes right" is an element of survival and the cynical quote below applies to this brutal interpretation of Darwinism. .
Hi Anna, there is not really a bad nor a good, it is all just a learning process which is needed for spiritual progress. As we learn we work our way back to the Godhead, having acquired the necessary spiritual understanding.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jan 15, 2016 22:42:31 GMT
Social Darwinism just says that the strongest members of society will rise to the top and the weakest will sink to the bottom. If you buy into that theory, then you believe that's why the rich are rich and the poor are poor. They use the term 'natural selection' which Darwin used.
I do think there is some merit to that idea, but don't consider it to be pervasive. That is, you can find many examples in America of someone from humble origins, such as a poor family, or an unlikely immigrant group, who has lifted himself or herself up by their bootstraps and become wealthy. They may have had a bit of luck along the way, but their success was primarily due to intellect, ambition, vision, and hard work.
In Europe, there may still be more social barriers to that sort of success. I'm not sure. Could a young and poor Gypsy immigrant from Romania move to England, start a business on a shoestring, and build it into a multi-national success becoming a billionaire in the process? I know that's possible in the U.S. Not sure about Europe.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 15, 2016 22:59:43 GMT
the problem now seems to be the lack of mutual respect, we bend over backwards in this country to accept different faiths, cultures etc to the extend we deny our own and what good has it done us ? the rise of ISIS is the answer to that one! I don't think that a) we DO 'deny our own' culture; b) the problem is that ISIS and their mob DON'T believe in multiculturalism; they believe in MONOCULTURALISM. They are the mirror image of Breivik, the BNP and other nutters. They are scum and they have no respect for ANYONE - not even fellow Muslims. As most of what they do is FORBIDDEN in the Quran it's arguable whether they have the SLIGHTEST right to call themselves Muslims. Instead of 'Islamic State' a more accurate description of them would be 'Satanic State.' Hi BigLin, It is my belief that we are Soul inhabiting a physical body for the purpose of gaining experiences that will aid our spiritual understanding of reality. The physical plane is not all there is and this is what the majoriity of people do not understand and acknowledge. Soul is not scum, but just ignorant of the truth at this moment in time. We are all here to learn and some of us are just slow to learn proper behaviour. I feel sorry for them actually as I know what suffering they will have to endure when the law of Karma dispenses it's justice.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 15, 2016 23:20:05 GMT
Social Darwinism just says that the strongest members of society will rise to the top and the weakest will sink to the bottom. If you buy into that theory, then you believe that's why the rich are rich and the poor are poor. They
use the term 'natural selection' which Darwin used. I do think there is some merit to that idea, but don't consider it to be pervasive. That is, you can find many examples in America of someone from humble origins, such as a poor family, or an unlikely immigrant group, who has lifted himself or herself up by their bootstraps and become wealthy. They may have had a bit of luck along the way, but their success was primarily due to intellect, ambition, vision, and hard work. In Europe, there may still be more social barriers to that sort of success. I'm not sure. Could a young and poor Gypsy immigrant from Romania move to England, start a business on a shoestring, and build it into a multi-national success becoming a billionaire in the process? I know that's possible in the U.S. Not sure about Europe. Hi Bush Admirer, I don't see anything wrong with natural selection, but mankind certainly doesn't have to follow the example of the predatory animals such as the lion, which fights in order to secure a mate then kills the offspring of it's adversary. I wouldn't say that was part of the Darwin theory of natural selection but rather the negative thinking or instinct of that particular animal. It has to learn too that brute force is not the answer.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 15, 2016 23:32:28 GMT
Hi Bush Admirer, The people who are rich are rich for a reason. They have something to learn from that experience, nothing that Soul learns from it's experiences is ever lost, so hopefully that particular experience will give it more spiritual understanding to enable it's spiritual evolvement.
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Post by Big Lin on Jan 15, 2016 23:39:20 GMT
Hi Bush Admirer, The people who are rich are rich for a reason. They have something to learn from that experience, nothing that Soul learns from it's experiences is ever lost, so hopefully that particular experience will give it more spiritual understanding to enable it's spiritual evolvement. So for example a gang of criminals who rob a bank are 'rich for a reason.' Or, on the same principle, someone who runs a brothel is 'rich for a reason.' I find that a strange way of looking at the world. People can earn wealth honestly or dishonestly and they can also (by an accident of birth) inherit wealth irrespective of any personal qualities or defects. So basically being wealthy is no more a 'learning experience' than being poor. Nor do I believe that we are reincarnated so as far as I'm concerned the only life we KNOW about is THIS one and it's how we behave in THIS LIFE that's morally important.
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Post by Big Lin on Jan 15, 2016 23:41:55 GMT
I don't think that a) we DO 'deny our own' culture; b) the problem is that ISIS and their mob DON'T believe in multiculturalism; they believe in MONOCULTURALISM. They are the mirror image of Breivik, the BNP and other nutters. They are scum and they have no respect for ANYONE - not even fellow Muslims. As most of what they do is FORBIDDEN in the Quran it's arguable whether they have the SLIGHTEST right to call themselves Muslims. Instead of 'Islamic State' a more accurate description of them would be 'Satanic State.' Hi BigLin, It is my belief that we are Soul inhabiting a physical body for the purpose of gaining experiences that will aid our spiritual understanding of reality. The physical plane is not all there is and this is what the majoriity of people do not understand and acknowledge. Soul is not scum, but just ignorant of the truth at this moment in time. We are all here to learn and some of us are just slow to learn proper behaviour. I feel sorry for them actually as I know what suffering they will have to endure when the law of Karma dispenses it's justice. People who believe they are motivated by 'spiritual' beliefs have been responsible for more than their fair share of murder, torture and all kinds of bad behaviour. If you think they're acting on behalf of God (and I don't care if it's ISIS, the Spanish Inquisition, Koresh, Jim Jones or whatever you're defending) all I can do is say I stand with John Stuart Mill. He said (and I agree 100%) 'I will call no being good to whom I cannot apply the same word to my fellow men and if such a being can sentence me to hell for not believing in him then to hell I will go.'
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Post by Big Lin on Jan 15, 2016 23:45:06 GMT
Social Darwinism just says that the strongest members of society will rise to the top and the weakest will sink to the bottom. If you buy into that theory, then you believe that's why the rich are rich and the poor are poor. They
use the term 'natural selection' which Darwin used. I do think there is some merit to that idea, but don't consider it to be pervasive. That is, you can find many examples in America of someone from humble origins, such as a poor family, or an unlikely immigrant group, who has lifted himself or herself up by their bootstraps and become wealthy. They may have had a bit of luck along the way, but their success was primarily due to intellect, ambition, vision, and hard work. In Europe, there may still be more social barriers to that sort of success. I'm not sure. Could a young and poor Gypsy immigrant from Romania move to England, start a business on a shoestring, and build it into a multi-national success becoming a billionaire in the process? I know that's possible in the U.S. Not sure about Europe. I think it's much harder now than it was. My parents are now in their sixties but when they were young if you'd asked them that question they'd have unhesitatingly answered 'yes.' Now I think it's incredibly hard whether you're native, migrant or whatever. A combination of over-regulation, high taxes, welfare, the internet, high business rates and rents and general lack of willingness by the banks to lend make it very hard indeed for people to make headway. Even the big chains are struggling; for small entrepeneurs the outlook is even bleaker. Unless you can find a niche market it's incredibly tough out there.
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Post by Big Lin on Jan 15, 2016 23:48:21 GMT
I don't think that a) we DO 'deny our own' culture; b) the problem is that ISIS and their mob DON'T believe in multiculturalism; they believe in MONOCULTURALISM. They are the mirror image of Breivik, the BNP and other nutters. They are scum and they have no respect for ANYONE - not even fellow Muslims. As most of what they do is FORBIDDEN in the Quran it's arguable whether they have the SLIGHTEST right to call themselves Muslims. Instead of 'Islamic State' a more accurate description of them would be 'Satanic State.' we do deny our own culture when we can't even say Happy Christmas ,! and this is what is happening , at work it was " festive holidays" not Chrismtas holiday Most of that is the fault of the PC mob. The majority of non-Christians don't worry about that sort of nonsense at all. I remember a few years back when Tesco refused to stock hot cross buns on the grounds that selling them 'might offend Muslims.' The result was that Muslims were asked if they WERE offended by their sale and overwhelmingly they answered, 'no.' But I bought my buns from a different store that didn't have that ridiculous attitude.
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Post by Big Lin on Jan 15, 2016 23:49:41 GMT
The problem is that Social Darwinism is not the same as Darwinism in the evolutionary biology sense. Unfortunately they were deliberately confused by the eugenics lobby and like most bad ideas picked up by the Nazis and others of that ilk. And I don't support separatism or assimilation; I believe in diversity which means mutual respect, mutual interaction and the preservation of unity within diversity. Hi BigLin, that sounds good to me, but didn't Hitler also believe in the supernatural? He believed in all kinds of nonsense. Social Darwinism was simply one of the many bad ideas he believed in. And I thought you believed in the supernatural!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 16, 2016 0:22:02 GMT
Hi BigLin, Both the rich and the poor are in the same boat. Each Soul is learnng what is needed by being in that particular circumstance. That is why we are here in this physical plane. The time will come when you will see life with a different perspective which obviously you have not reached yet. I am not denigrating you by saying that, it is just a fact of life as ECKists see it. As Soul we are all equal, we have come here to learn and apparently some of us by our own choices, for whatever reason have slowed down our spiritual progress, hence we are all at different stages of spiritual development. It is of no consequence. We will all reach the Godhead at our own time according to what we are comfortable with. It's no big deal, I assure you of that. Life here in the physical plane will always exist, as far as I know.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 16, 2016 0:30:45 GMT
Hi BigLin, I think it is part of the decent person's thinking, to try not to offend another, hot cross buns only mean something to Christians, to others it would only be another bun. Nothing to worry anyone as far as I am concerned.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jan 16, 2016 6:53:39 GMT
[/font][/font] [/quote] Anna - I don't think there is a conspiracy, plutocrat bankers, or any one world agenda. Also disagree with your argument that Western military intervention created this problem. Bush, Chaney, and Rumsfeld had the situation in Iraq pretty much under control. US Marines were patrolling Mosul and the streets were relatively safe in most cities. This problem really arose when Obama pulled out the troops prematurely thus giving Al Queda in Iraq the opportunity to morph into Daesh and grab territory. The other contributing factors were the Iraqi government's favoritism of Shiites and discrimination against Sunnis. The other major factor was Assad's transgressions against Sunni communities in Syria. These three factors created a perfect storm of opportunity for Daesh to recruit embittered Sunnis and get organized. The unexpected surprise attack on Mosul, and abandonment of weaponry by the fleeing Iraqi military gave them a large cache of weapons. Looting the banks in Mosul and taking over oil producing regions gave them money to fund their operations. Sympathetic Sunnis helped them to infiltrate and served as collaborators in the cities and towns they took over. You should note that they've only conquered Sunni towns, and for that reason.[/quote] The stupid war with Iraq started when Saddam Hussein was duped into attacking Kuwait.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2016 17:33:12 GMT
we do deny our own culture when we can't even say Happy Christmas ,! and this is what is happening , at work it was " festive holidays" not Chrismtas holiday Most of that is the fault of the PC mob. The majority of non-Christians don't worry about that sort of nonsense at all. I remember a few years back when Tesco refused to stock hot cross buns on the grounds that selling them 'might offend Muslims.' The result was that Muslims were asked if they WERE offended by their sale and overwhelmingly they answered, 'no.' But I bought my buns from a different store that didn't have that ridiculous attitude. that's what i mean , tesco is typcial of the thinking now in this country , its crazy , and i for one am sick to the back teeth of hearing about muslims every day in the news! change the record ! there is more to this world than muslims!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 16, 2016 17:33:57 GMT
i am going to be buying a shed load of hot cross buns this year and it wont be from tescos! dont shop there any way its poor quality
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Post by Big Lin on Jan 16, 2016 22:04:06 GMT
Hi BigLin, Both the rich and the poor are in the same boat. Each Soul is learnng what is needed by being in that particular circumstance. That is why we are here in this physical plane. The time will come when you will see life with a different perspective which obviously you have not reached yet. I am not denigrating you by saying that, it is just a fact of life as ECKists see it. As Soul we are all equal, we have come here to learn and apparently some of us by our own choices, for whatever reason have slowed down our spiritual progress, hence we are all at different stages of spiritual development. It is of no consequence. We will all reach the Godhead at our own time according to what we are comfortable with. It's no big deal, I assure you of that. Life here in the physical plane will always exist, as far as I know.!!! There's all the difference in the world between knowledge and faith. I might hope (because of my faith) that I'll be rewarded in the afterlife but I don't KNOW that. I just BELIEVE it. And there's all the difference in the world between being rich and poor - I've been both and I know which is better.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 17, 2016 10:48:53 GMT
Hi Big Lin, each person is where they are at this moment in time because they have something to learn. Ofcourse it is better to be rich rather than be poor, that is not the point. It is the lesson that you learn whilst in that particular situation that is important.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jan 29, 2016 23:56:46 GMT
Hi BigLin, Both the rich and the poor are in the same boat. Each Soul is learnng what is needed by being in that particular circumstance. That is why we are here in this physical plane. The time will come when you will see life with a different perspective which obviously you have not reached yet. I am not denigrating you by saying that, it is just a fact of life as ECKists see it. As Soul we are all equal, we have come here to learn and apparently some of us by our own choices, for whatever reason have slowed down our spiritual progress, hence we are all at different stages of spiritual development. It is of no consequence. We will all reach the Godhead at our own time according to what we are comfortable with. It's no big deal, I assure you of that. Life here in the physical plane will always exist, as far as I know.!!! There's all the difference in the world between knowledge and faith. I might hope (because of my faith) that I'll be rewarded in the afterlife but I don't KNOW that. I just BELIEVE it. And there's all the difference in the world between being rich and poor - I've been both and I know which is better. Hi Big Lin, in this physical plane every one knows that being rich is better, it is on most people's minds or lotteries etc would not exist. That is not the point that I am trying to make. When we are in a position of being rich or poor it is our behaviour that is being questioned, and what that behaviour leads to. When rich, some people behave in a selfish way, and other's don't. Regardless of what position we happen to be in, it will always be our behaviour that counts. A person has a lesson to learn by being rich and a person who is poor has a lesson to learn by being poor. Some will steal and degrade themselves and some will go hungry and do their best to try and change their situation by lawful means. ECKists know what to expect at the end of the road, because we receive spiritual enlightenment as we travel along that road. We know precisely what stage of spiritual evolvement we have reached and it is all because we have resolved certain problems and so, learned a lesson. Each lesson that we learn diminishes our Karmic debt, and so we have gained spiritual enlightenment which ofcourse leads to spiritual evolvement and being closer to the Godhead, on the road that we are travelling.
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