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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 26, 2016 22:11:14 GMT
PS. Just wanted to add : why is it then that I have no aggressive tendencies towards anyone. I was born like that. I do not like violence so would not be party to it but in owning a gun means that you will use it if you think you have to, and believe that you have the right.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 1:22:15 GMT
Thank you Scottish Lassie. Your comments to me and to Iamjumbe has provided me with some of the best laughing I've had in ages. You really ought to start writing fiction because you don't believe what we say about guns, a subject of which you don't know anything. Hi Menantol, I like to see and hear someone having a hearty laugh, that's my good deed for the day taken care of then.!!! I don't see why it should be considered fiction though. I am having the experiences that lead me to believe that what I say is true, so it happens to be my perspective on life. I am evidently being shown more to life than you are, hence my viewpoint. No matter how you come to your conclusions about protection and the relevance to guns, what you offer, if followed by people, contributes to the death and injury of people. It is entirely illogical and, in fact, quite wrong. Your beliefs (or whatever) about soul travel et al have little relevance to what we are talking about. I realize that you like to (or feel you must) bring these beliefs of yours into the dialog and If you feel you must, then you obviously will do so, but they mean nothing relative to protection of family. While I have far more knowledge (than I mention here) of what you are talking about (soul travel et al), it really has nothing to do with this subject of protection and guns. Beyond the mixing of myth with reality, your suggestions do not represent the opinions of police officers who deal with such things on a regular basis.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 1:29:22 GMT
PS. Just wanted to add : why is it then that I have no aggressive tendencies towards anyone. I was born like that. I do not like violence so would not be party to it but in owning a gun means that you will use it if you think you have to, and believe that you have the right. For you and your commitment to non-violence, that is great, I commend you. But to take your personal beliefs and commitments and apply them to others as the ‘correct’ way to act is arrogant if nothing else. You place yourself above others and in your mind that may be a necessity, but it also debases others. In your world, I expect that is creating lots of negative Karma, at least for those who believe such piffle.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 27, 2016 2:55:46 GMT
Hi Menantol, You seem to be very concerned about superiority, whereas I never think of it. The more spiritual a person is the more humble they are. Spirituality has to do with Spirit (God) which has to do with spiritual dimensions, which you really don't know anything about, because you haven't been there.
When you start on the pathway of spirituality then your thinking changes so you see life from a different perspective. You talk about knowing about spirituality, but you obviously have not experienced it, there is a vast difference and that is what counts.
We are all Soul and the only difference between you and I, is that I have started my journey whilst you are still dragging your heels. I'm sure you have heard the saying: 'Seek and you shall Find' plus 'When the pupil is ready, the Master will appear'
You are evidently quite happy with things as they are and I certainly would not try to persuade you otherwise, but in giving my point of view I, like you, will say it as I see it. I see no harm in that. Each of us gives out only what knowledge we have accrued through our experiences, we are all aware of that, are we not?
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2016 4:46:21 GMT
Hi Menantol, You seem to be very concerned about superiority, whereas I never think of it. The more spiritual a person is the more humble they are. Spirituality has to do with Spirit (God) which has to do with spiritual dimensions, which you really don't know anything about, because you haven't been there. When you start on the pathway of spirituality then your thinking changes so you see life from a different perspective. You talk about knowing about spirituality, but you obviously have not experienced it, there is a vast difference and that is what counts. We are all Soul and the only difference between you and I, is that I have started my journey whilst you are still dragging your heels. I'm sure you have heard the saying: 'Seek and you shall Find' plus 'When the pupil is ready, the Master will appear' You are evidently quite happy with things as they are and I certainly would not try to persuade you otherwise, but in giving my point of view I, like you, will say it as I see it. I see no harm in that. Each of us gives out only what knowledge we have accrued through our experiences, we are all aware of that, are we not? There is a lot of truth to that Scottish Lassie, even so, when saying things we want to say there is always the possibility we can say things where if others take it literally they could get harm. That is true about your approach to guns and self protection. What you espouse is not what recognized experts will advise.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 27, 2016 6:25:23 GMT
Hi Menantol, the physical plane is far different from the spiritual plane and as I am privy to both then I'm bound to see things in a different light. People are still being killed in the physical plane despite all the hard work that you are exercising in a bid to teach people to take responsibility for their actions. And apparently it will get worse, there will be carnage in the streets in America and elsewhere with gun happy people taking pot shots at each other all over the place.
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Post by iamjumbo on May 30, 2016 10:42:01 GMT
Hi Menantol, wouldn't teaching children at an early age how they should behave, be a better way to go rather than providing people with guns with the intention of using them at the least pretext? It seems to be a case of shoot first then ask questions later. Which certainly doesn't help the person who has been shot. It doesn't seem to matter to you that innocent people have lost their lives because of this attitude. You may think that is alright, but I'm sure the next of kin of the victim doesn't see it your way. You really have no right to kill anyone just because you think you have the right. As has been proven, the fellow who shot the boys has been charged with murder. You can't go around shooting people at the drop of a hat, and it seems that people are beginning to realise that. In my estimation the people in America seem to be trigger happy. Children have been well known for knocking on doors and running away they apparently think it is fun.I would just ignore it. I wouldn't be so foolish as to answer the door at night anyway. If they kept knocking I would ask them what they wanted from behind a closed door. I still have a metal screen door that would protect me in the event of me opening the first door. If I heard someone breaking in I would be scooting out the back door or a window if need be. I certainly wouldn't be hanging around, that's for sure. i have a tshirt that says "i shoot first, there are no questions to ask" that's reality. if a piece of shyt is breaking into your house, there is NO reason to ask anything. you just blow its head off as soon as it's halfway through the window
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Post by iamjumbo on May 30, 2016 10:50:29 GMT
Hi Iamjumbo, I think I have touched on this attitude already. If a worthless piece of shyt is breaking into your house, whether or not it is armed has no relevance. You kill it. If the person was breaking into your house in order to take some food from your fridge because they were very hungry, would you still kill them without a moment's hesitation? whatever reason a thief wanted to have for breaking into my house has absolutely NO relevance. why the punk is doing is doesn't matter. the ONLY thing that matters is that the trash decides to make the willfull, conscious choice to violate me. nonetheless, the simple FACT is that NO ONE, has to steal to eat. you can go to almost any church and get food. even most small towns have someplace that provides a meal.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on May 30, 2016 23:41:20 GMT
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Post by Big Lin on May 31, 2016 0:10:02 GMT
This 'poster' is totally dishonest. Apart from the fact that the 'options' it offers are ridiculous the attempt to pretend that 'liberals' would react in that way could only have been written by someone who is one of three things (possibly all three!) 1 A total moron 2 A total wimp 3 A deliberate liar Any woman worth her salt knows all kinds of ways to deal with blokes like that. I learnt how to deal with aggressive males as a teenager. So should every woman. Self-defence is part of self-reliance. So let's not have this kind of totally dishonest propaganda. It's really angering me - not because I disagree (I always encourage different opinions) but because it's a deliberate LIE. And that I won't tolerate.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on May 31, 2016 0:22:36 GMT
Big Lin I know your definition of liberal doesn't correspond to what's widely understood as liberal. If words always kept the same meaning we'd be speaking a language that died out eons ago.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2016 2:11:41 GMT
Disregarding the evolving meaning of the word liberal, and it has changed during the last 100 plus years, I think we each make our own meaning of this poster.
To me the poster could have made the point in different ways, but it was trying to make the point that the woman, any woman, should be in a position to maintain control. She should be able to do this in any situation.
There is another approach to this, that is, some people suggest that the woman is weak and subservient relative to the male, and therefore must use other tactics to survive. Here that is offered as a liberal position. In reality it should be offered as a Progressive-Liberal position.
But the poster is asserting that the woman (man or woman for that matter) doesn’t have to take the subservient role but control their own lives.
As far as weapons. In my weapons classes I taught, it was never more enjoyable for me than to have a mature woman in the class and watch as she changed from being more weak than not, into a strong individual who gained the confidence that she could (and did) control the situation. The oldest woman I taught was just over 80.
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Post by iamjumbo on May 31, 2016 9:13:18 GMT
that is absolutely fantastic
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Post by iamjumbo on May 31, 2016 9:17:41 GMT
This 'poster' is totally dishonest. Apart from the fact that the 'options' it offers are ridiculous the attempt to pretend that 'liberals' would react in that way could only have been written by someone who is one of three things (possibly all three!) 1 A total moron 2 A total wimp 3 A deliberate liar Any woman worth her salt knows all kinds of ways to deal with blokes like that. I learnt how to deal with aggressive males as a teenager. So should every woman. Self-defence is part of self-reliance. So let's not have this kind of totally dishonest propaganda. It's really angering me - not because I disagree (I always encourage different opinions) but because it's a deliberate LIE. And that I won't tolerate. well hon, it would be great if what you said was true. sadly, it is NOT. you have seen how some here would not properly defend themselves fronm a rapist. there are the few who actually think that the rapist's life is worth something. nope, the poster is the absolute truth
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Post by Big Lin on May 31, 2016 22:39:59 GMT
Sorry, Jim, it's a dishonest lie.
Maybe the women in Britain are a bit tougher than the girls in the US?
The last time a guy tried to rape me I left him out sparko by the side of the road.
And any normal woman would fight like hell.
It's got naff all to do with politics; it's all about being a wimp or having guts.
That's the simple TRUTH and no amount of dishonest LYING by 'conservatives' (perhaps the 'con' part in their name might be appropriate?) will change that fact.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 1, 2016 8:22:06 GMT
Hi Iamjimbo, I think I have replied to this topic before. If someone accosted me with the intention of raping me, I would tell them that I had Aids. He ofcourse could have Aids himself so I guess I would end up raped if that was meant to happen.
One evening when I was out on my own I was stopped by a man who asked me for directions. I was in my 50's. I gave him directions and just as I prepared to leave and move on, a man came along on his bike just at that precise moment. Next day I read in the newspaper that this man had raped another woman a few days before and this was his ploy, asking for directions. Had the man not come riding by just as I moved on. I could also have been raped.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 1, 2016 8:50:33 GMT
Hi Biglin, You have an advantage because of your height. I am only 5ft 3 inches and any physical strength that I might have flees when there is any kind of confrontation that could be frightening. This is an instant reaction which I don't seem to have any control over.
Because I believe in the law of Karma, I can only conclude that I was not meant to be raped, otherwise it would have taken place, but I was saved by the fellow on the bike.In ECKANKAR we believe there are no mistakes. What we have put into action before hand, or in a past life, will certainly come our way sooner or later.
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