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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 21, 2016 3:19:16 GMT
thank you for proving the point. obviously, had the chap been armed, the burglar would be dead, which no normal person cares about. Where is IamJumbo??? I've found the perfect holiday vacation for him. Here it is: www.stevespages.com/piraat.html Burglars are usually desperate people, experiencing difficult times, but they are still human beings,
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 21, 2016 3:30:01 GMT
not a bad idea, but, a gun is ALWAYS the best prevention People in desperate circumstances are led to do desparate things, But retaliating and showing no mercy, indicates an aggressive frame of mind.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 21, 2016 3:58:35 GMT
thank you for proving the point. obviously, had the chap been armed, the burglar would be dead, which no normal person cares about. Where is IamJumbo??? I've found the perfect holiday vacation for him. Here it is: www.stevespages.com/piraat.html Hi Bush Admirer, is that holiday trip for real? If it is? It would be just up Iamjumbo's alley, for sure.!!!
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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 20, 2016 11:55:08 GMT
thank you for proving the point. obviously, had the chap been armed, the burglar would be dead, which no normal person cares about. Where is IamJumbo??? I've found the perfect holiday vacation for him. Here it is: www.stevespages.com/piraat.html thanks. that would be the perfect vacation if all of the passengers had ar-15s, and a couple hundred pirates showed up. having the sharks scarfing up on dead pirate carcasses would be so cool
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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 20, 2016 11:59:39 GMT
Burglars are usually desperate people, experiencing difficult times, but they are still human beings, don't be daft hon. burglars are usually worthless druggies, or just professional thieves. you are only a human being when you act like a human being. when you choose to act like trash, you deserve to be taken out like trash
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Apr 20, 2016 18:41:11 GMT
thanks. that would be the perfect vacation if all of the passengers had ar-15s, and a couple hundred pirates showed up. having the sharks scarfing up on dead pirate carcasses would be so cool Glad to see you back here Jumbo. Your pearls of wisdom are always well received.
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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 21, 2016 11:20:17 GMT
thanks. that would be the perfect vacation if all of the passengers had ar-15s, and a couple hundred pirates showed up. having the sharks scarfing up on dead pirate carcasses would be so cool Glad to see you back here Jumbo. Your pearls of wisdom are always well received. thank you sir. i'm feeling a little better. the main thing now that keeps me off the forums is having to use this laptop. i absolutely have to get a real keyboard
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 22, 2016 10:01:59 GMT
Burglars are usually desperate people, experiencing difficult times, but they are still human beings, don't be daft hon. burglars are usually worthless druggies, or just professional thieves. you are only a human being when you act like a human being. when you choose to act like trash, you deserve to be taken out like trash I certainly don't go along with that premise Iamjumbo. That's for sure.!!!
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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 22, 2016 10:52:46 GMT
don't be daft hon. burglars are usually worthless druggies, or just professional thieves. you are only a human being when you act like a human being. when you choose to act like trash, you deserve to be taken out like trash I certainly don't go along with that premise Iamjumbo. That's for sure.!!! you should. it's the truth
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 24, 2016 5:54:27 GMT
Hi Iamjumbo, You may think that it is the truth according to your point of view, but certainly not mine. If we care about people we should become as role models and help people to see the error of their ways so that they will make better decisions the next time around.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 18:15:21 GMT
This is the dumbest case! This is saying that no one can defend his home. Every home owner in Minnesota should now fear the authorities. The two who broke in got what they deserved. This was in fact a misapplication of the law and the Jury should have thrown the case out just because the law was wrongly applied. This was clearly a case for Jury Nullification.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 24, 2016 18:29:12 GMT
Hi Iamjumbo, You may think that it is the truth according to your point of view, but certainly not mine. If we care about people we should become as role models and help people to see the error of their ways so that they will make better decisions the next time around. Scottish Lassie, your point of view, your subjective truth, is very anti-human. It demonstrates a distain for people who are living lives with no intent to do harm to others or their property. That is the role model you say we should be. People will still break into homes and businesses, and steal things, and harm and kill the innocent. Even if those innocent are the paragons of virtue. It is rare for those breaking in to be living ‘desperate lives’ and are actually breaking the law simply because they want things, or simply because they want to hurt of kill people and they laugh at attitudes such as yours. To not be prepared and to not stop them, is to both condone and empower these acts against others. What you propose we should do is abetting those doing the evil acts and disregarding the lives of the innocent. What you are proposing will push our societies into more rapidly breaking down and making our world increasingly unsafe.
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Post by kronks on Apr 25, 2016 2:23:13 GMT
This is the dumbest case! This is saying that no one can defend his home. Every home owner in Minnesota should now fear the authorities. The two who broke in got what they deserved. This was in fact a misapplication of the law and the Jury should have thrown the case out just because the law was wrongly applied. This was clearly a case for Jury Nullification. NO it is not it is saying you can't set out to trap burglars and execute them, that is different.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 25, 2016 14:01:42 GMT
This is the dumbest case! This is saying that no one can defend his home. Every home owner in Minnesota should now fear the authorities. The two who broke in got what they deserved. This was in fact a misapplication of the law and the Jury should have thrown the case out just because the law was wrongly applied. This was clearly a case for Jury Nullification. NO it is not it is saying you can't set out to trap burglars and execute them, that is different. I understand that what you point to is a view of the law held by some and it has been around a long time. However, it does not recognize that people are responsible for their decisions. The man in his home did not 'make' the intruders decide to break into his home. They made the decision and they are responsible. In my home I am armed. In my home I have dogs that will protect the home. It is every bit my right to have things in my home that others may want. It is my right to have a home environment that others can break into. And it is my right to plan and prepare for the eventuality of people breaking into my home. It is my right to protect my home as I see fit. Those who decide to break into my home had better think about it long and hard before they act, as they will not succeed and quite possibly die.
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Post by kronks on Apr 26, 2016 3:57:53 GMT
NO it is not it is saying you can't set out to trap burglars and execute them, that is different. I understand that what you point to is a view of the law held by some and it has been around a long time. However, it does not recognize that people are responsible for their decisions. The man in his home did not 'make' the intruders decide to break into his home. They made the decision and they are responsible. In my home I am armed. In my home I have dogs that will protect the home. It is every bit my right to have things in my home that others may want. It is my right to have a home environment that others can break into. And it is my right to plan and prepare for the eventuality of people breaking into my home. It is my right to protect my home as I see fit. Those who decide to break into my home had better think about it long and hard before they act, as they will not succeed and quite possibly die. He set out to trap and kill burglars that is the issue. That is different from defending your home. You might as well leave your wallet on the side-walk, hide in a bush and shoot the first person to pick it up.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 26, 2016 5:18:32 GMT
The blind shall not see!
The two criminals went on to land that wasn't theirs uninvited.
They broke into and entered a house that wasn't theirs.
If he had hung a gold bar in front of a window, it doesn't matter as he had every right to do as he wished on his own property. The two criminals were the ones who made all of the wrong and illegal decisions.
Did he have a legal right to move his truck? Obviously yes.
Did he have a reasonable reason to fear such an attack on his home? With the previous break-ins. obviously yes.
Did he have the right to shoot at those who broke into his home? Clearly yes.
In my mind the only mistake he made was having to use more than two shots.
Kronks, there are people such as yourself who go far out of their way to make excuses for those who have taken the path to be a criminal. To me no such excuse is valid. Your attitude only empowers such criminal behavior.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Apr 26, 2016 14:14:14 GMT
I understand that what you point to is a view of the law held by some and it has been around a long time. However, it does not recognize that people are responsible for their decisions. The man in his home did not 'make' the intruders decide to break into his home. They made the decision and they are responsible. In my home I am armed. In my home I have dogs that will protect the home. It is every bit my right to have things in my home that others may want. It is my right to have a home environment that others can break into. And it is my right to plan and prepare for the eventuality of people breaking into my home. It is my right to protect my home as I see fit. Those who decide to break into my home had better think about it long and hard before they act, as they will not succeed and quite possibly die. He set out to trap and kill burglars that is the issue. That is different from defending your home. You might as well leave your wallet on the side-walk, hide in a bush and shoot the first person to pick it up. Kronos - It seems to me that trapping and killing criminal invaders is a good idea. Dead criminals don't repeat their crimes.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 8, 2016 13:03:33 GMT
Hi Menantol, we should all be obeying the law and in obeying the law we are being role models for others especially the young. Our parents are role models for their children so depending if the parents obey the law the children will also obey the law and be law abiding citizens.
But to be ready to kill someone just because they have entered your home to steal. Is against the law. Should the intruder aim a gun at you then you no doubt have the right to protect your life by killing him first, if this is what you want to do.
Life is precious to everyone, so you could ask him to give you his gun or you could ring for the police so that they can arrest him. Is furniture more important than human life? I shouldn't think so.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on May 8, 2016 13:23:34 GMT
Hi Bush Admirer, you are not really saying that are you? That is hard for me to believe. It seems that you don't have any respect for human life. As I said to Menantol If the intruder aimed a gun at you then that would be a different kettle of fish altogether, you would have the right to shoot him if you thought it was necessary.
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Post by Deleted on May 8, 2016 21:16:41 GMT
Hi Menantol, we should all be obeying the law and in obeying the law we are being role models for others especially the young. Our parents are role models for their children so depending if the parents obey the law the children will also obey the law and be law abiding citizens. But to be ready to kill someone just because they have entered your home to steal. Is against the law. Should the intruder aim a gun at you then you no doubt have the right to protect your life by killing him first, if this is what you want to do. Life is precious to everyone, so you could ask him to give you his gun or you could ring for the police so that they can arrest him. Is furniture more important than human life? I shouldn't think so. Scottish Lassie, I wish I didn’t have to say it this strongly, but you really have no idea as to what you are talking about. I am ready to protect my home and that is absolutely legal in the United States. If that protection results in the person who breaks into my home being killed, that is absolutely legal, and even if it were not legal, I would still protect my family. Let’s see now, someone breaks into my home and I ask him to give me his gun? That is asinine! By the time the words are said, I and my family will likely be dead. Someone breaks into my home and so I should call the police and let them handle it by arresting him? Scottish Lassie that is so far removed from reality that I cannot believe anyone could even think such a thing. I work a lot with police and I know of not a single one who would agree with what you are saying. At most if you said that to a police officer they would walk away shaking their head and probably saying there goes someone (meaning you) who is already dead and just doesn’t know it. Yes, life is precious but your comments demonstrate that you don’t really believe that it is precious because you want me to allow my family to be killed. Over time you have made a number of comments about how nonviolent your childhood and life has been, and it must be true because your words demonstrate no understanding of what to do when faced with danger for you or your family.
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