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Jun 6, 2015 15:37:34 GMT
Post by blc on Jun 6, 2015 15:37:34 GMT
Considering that Big Lin , removed those posts, per Anna's request from another thread, and created a new thread for for Chris' discussion, I tend to defer to Lin's lead. If it were okay to just post that stuff anywhere, Lin wouldn't have moved them and created a new thread for it. We do want to keep the forums and threads somewhat coherent and moving posts without making a big fuss about it is just routine on forums. I've have my posts and threads moved and no one made what may be perceived as unsettling remarks and I wasn't offended. I can find dozens of threads that got derailed with off topic stuff and sometimes we let it go and sometimes we get the thread back on topic and move off topic stuff.
I just don't want anything accusatory or ill willed to arise. Let's all build some bridges. When it becomes excessive, just moving them isn't enough. If you don't say something, it just keeps happening. By trying to keep discussions in their own threads helps members to better follow the discussion instead of scattering the posts in numerous threads.
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Jun 6, 2015 15:53:32 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 15:53:32 GMT
The question is one of where you want to draw the line.
Some years ago myself and another person had a Yahoo Group to which anyone could join but they had to follow the rules. We had both seen other Groups fall apart because of people who sort of took them over to accomplish some other agenda, and then these groups fell a part.
So in addition to the rules every posting went through either myself or the other person and if not following the rules, it was rejected.
The thing to remember is that our group was very specific in why it was created and what the goals and rules were. Here, in these forums it surely helps to have thread subject and to stick to them, but this is not a debating society and is more of a social gathering for people to exchange thoughts. How far do you want to go to maintain the subjects of these threads? The point is to develop a set of rules (and they can be anything) and make sure all people are aware of them as well as the consequences of not following the rules.
It sounds easy but is more challenging when trying to make it work and the tighter the rules, the more management time needed.
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Jun 6, 2015 15:58:22 GMT
Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 6, 2015 15:58:22 GMT
We do want to keep the forums and threads somewhat coherent and moving posts without making a big fuss about it is just routine on forums. I've have my posts and threads moved and no one made what may be perceived as unsettling remarks and I wasn't offended. I can find dozens of threads that got derailed with off topic stuff and sometimes we let it go and sometimes we get the thread back on topic and move off topic stuff.
I just don't want anything accusatory or ill willed to arise. Let's all build some bridges. When it becomes excessive, just moving them isn't enough. If you don't say something, it just keeps happening. By trying to keep discussions in their own threads helps members to better follow the discussion instead of scattering the posts in numerous threads. The major priority is having our members feel good here. We don't go by the standards of a university term paper, but it is desirable to have some continuity on some threads at least. Other threads on your forum as well in particular crime news threads get taken into some moral tangent or death penalty debate although threads exist that discuss these other topics and the subject of the thread is ignored.
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Jun 6, 2015 16:04:40 GMT
Post by blc on Jun 6, 2015 16:04:40 GMT
The question is one of where you want to draw the line. Some years ago myself and another person had a Yahoo Group to which anyone could join but they had to follow the rules. We had both seen other Groups fall apart because of people who sort of took them over to accomplish some other agenda, and then these groups fell a part. So in addition to the rules every posting went through either myself or the other person and if not following the rules, it was rejected. The thing to remember is that our group was very specific in why it was created and what the goals and rules were. Here, in these forums it surely helps to have thread subject and to stick to them, but this is not a debating society and is more of a social gathering for people to exchange thoughts. How far do you want to go to maintain the subjects of these threads? The point is to develop a set of rules (and they can be anything) and make sure all people are aware of them as well as the consequences of not following the rules. It sounds easy but is more challenging when trying to make it work and the tighter the rules, the more management time needed. Hi Menantol! I know what you mean. I had someone that would drag conspiracy stuff into every thread and it became a problem and a few members left over it. Not everyone believes that everything is a conspiracy and they felt it was hurting the site and making it look nutty. At some point you have to speak up or it takes over your site if you are not vigilant. That is why multiple staff members is a good thing as a site grows. There are categories for a reason. People that don't want to read that category, won't go there. Everyone stays happy. I have a member that only posts Islamic material and videos, but he keeps it all in one thread, so it isn't a problem at all.
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Jun 6, 2015 16:09:42 GMT
Post by blc on Jun 6, 2015 16:09:42 GMT
When it becomes excessive, just moving them isn't enough. If you don't say something, it just keeps happening. By trying to keep discussions in their own threads helps members to better follow the discussion instead of scattering the posts in numerous threads. The major priority is having our members feel good here. We don't go by the standards of a university term paper, but it is desirable to have some continuity on some threads at least. Other threads on your forum as well in particular crime news threads get taken into some moral tangent or death penalty debate although threads exist that discuss these other topics and the subject of the thread is ignored. I don't have a death penalty category for that reason, because I know it will be covered in threads. Those that tend to post on mostly one topic though do tend to pull it into any thread they can, we saw that at my site and it became a problem.
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Jun 6, 2015 16:17:16 GMT
Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 16:17:16 GMT
personally chris I wouldn't worry about it. It certainly doesn't bother me. I can only speak for myself but I am a very laid back admin and life is too short to get wound up about things like this. It didn't confuse me where you were posting. Considering that Big Lin , removed those posts, per Anna's request from another thread, and created a new thread for for Chris' discussion, I tend to defer to Lin's lead. If it were okay to just post that stuff anywhere, Lin wouldn't have moved them and created a new thread for it. Big Lin didn't berate anyone for it though, there is no need to berate members , it will put them off posting here imo.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2015 16:19:33 GMT
When it becomes excessive, just moving them isn't enough. If you don't say something, it just keeps happening. By trying to keep discussions in their own threads helps members to better follow the discussion instead of scattering the posts in numerous threads. The major priority is having our members feel good here. We don't go by the standards of a university term paper, but it is desirable to have some continuity on some threads at least. Other threads on your forum as well in particular crime news threads get taken into some moral tangent or death penalty debate although threads exist that discuss these other topics and the subject of the thread is ignored. I agree Anna the point is making members feel good here and I thought Chris would not feel good about being berated in that manner in front of everyone reading the thread, there was no need for it imo.
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Jun 6, 2015 16:27:56 GMT
Post by blc on Jun 6, 2015 16:27:56 GMT
Considering that Big Lin , removed those posts, per Anna's request from another thread, and created a new thread for for Chris' discussion, I tend to defer to Lin's lead. If it were okay to just post that stuff anywhere, Lin wouldn't have moved them and created a new thread for it. Big Lin didn't berate anyone for it though, there is no need to berate members , it will put them off posting here imo. First of all, she wasn't berated, and it was Anna that requested that her thread not be derailed and Lin started a new thread. Afterwards she kept posting questions and the discussion continued. No berating. As for public it seems her choice. I tried pm at my site and she didn't like that either.
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Jun 6, 2015 17:21:12 GMT
Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 6, 2015 17:21:12 GMT
As long as no one is clearly and intentionally abusive towards others I have no problem. Some posters may appear to have a moralistic or scolding tone in their posts, but maybe it isn't intended to make a hostile impact on others. We all are unique and perceive things differently.
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Jun 6, 2015 19:05:31 GMT
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 6, 2015 19:05:31 GMT
Hi Gibby, thankyou for your support, If someone doesn't believe what you are saying there is really nothing that you can do about it, but try not to let it get you down, just like you said. I did promise to visit your place when I was able, but still haven't got around to doing it yet. If I am welcome I might get around sometime soon. I say it like I see it. Yes you are more than welcome but I know what it's like when you are a member of several sites , there isn't enough hours in the day! so don't worry if you don't get round to it. Enjoy your day. Thanks again for your kind words Gibby, I hope everything goes well for you. All the best.
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Jun 6, 2015 19:23:26 GMT
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 6, 2015 19:23:26 GMT
We do want to keep the forums and threads somewhat coherent and moving posts without making a big fuss about it is just routine on forums. I've have my posts and threads moved and no one made what may be perceived as unsettling remarks and I wasn't offended. I can find dozens of threads that got derailed with off topic stuff and sometimes we let it go and sometimes we get the thread back on topic and move off topic stuff.
I just don't want anything accusatory or ill willed to arise. Let's all build some bridges. When it becomes excessive, just moving them isn't enough. If you don't say something, it just keeps happening. By trying to keep discussions in their own threads helps members to better follow the discussion instead of scattering the posts in numerous threads. Hi BLC, you are right ofcourse!!! You are the administrator of your own forum. But I was telling you the truth when I told you that my remarks on your forum was not made in a snotty mood, but more in a lighthearted manner. I am at an age now that the penny takes a while to drop as I am not as alert as I once was. I do tell the truth as I don't believe in deceiving people, I definitely couldn't live with myself if I did that. I wouldn't like myself at all.
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Jun 6, 2015 19:41:40 GMT
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 6, 2015 19:41:40 GMT
As long as no one is clearly and intentionally abusive towards others I have no problem. Some posters may appear to have a moralistic or scolding tone in their posts, but maybe it isn't intended to make a hostile impact on others. We all are unique and perceive things differently. Hi Anna, you are so right, we do seem to sometimes misconstrue what another person means in their post. All the talk about past ' killing fields' seems to be getting to me. I would like the whole world to wake up and care about each other enough to stop this senseless killing. But there seems to be too much hatred around, for that to happen.
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Jun 6, 2015 19:49:04 GMT
Post by blc on Jun 6, 2015 19:49:04 GMT
When it becomes excessive, just moving them isn't enough. If you don't say something, it just keeps happening. By trying to keep discussions in their own threads helps members to better follow the discussion instead of scattering the posts in numerous threads. Hi BLC, you are right ofcourse!!! You are the administrator of your own forum. But I was telling you the truth when I told you that my remarks on your forum was not made in a snotty mood, but more in a lighthearted manner. I am at an age now that the penny takes a while to drop as I am not as alert as I once was. I do tell the truth as I don't believe in deceiving people, I definitely couldn't live with myself if I did that. I wouldn't like myself at all. There was nothing lighthearted about those posts where you accused me of preventing people from replying to you, nor the pm you sent me when I tried to get you to take our discussion regarding derailing, to pm.
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Jun 6, 2015 19:59:21 GMT
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 6, 2015 19:59:21 GMT
Big Lin didn't berate anyone for it though, there is no need to berate members , it will put them off posting here imo. First of all, she wasn't berated, and it was Anna that requested that her thread not be derailed and Lin started a new thread. Afterwards she kept posting questions and the discussion continued. No berating. As for public it seems her choice. I tried pm at my site and she didn't like that either. Hi BLC, I am not doing anything in an uncaring deliberate way. I am just slow to understand. I have a forum of my own, which is just sitting there because I don't know how to use as I am still trying to understand everything. But now that I do know the trials and tribulations of having a forum, it can stay like that, and I mean it. I use it to post words of wisdom written by ECKANKAR's Spiritual Leader, so that I can look through them every now and then, just like I do my phone photo album.
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Jun 6, 2015 20:16:25 GMT
Post by Big Lin on Jun 6, 2015 20:16:25 GMT
The reason I moved the discussion to a new thread was because it wasn't appropriate for the section it was on.
I value discussion and I'm happy to put up with views I don't agree with; I didn't ban the Holocaust denial thread even though it disgusted me.
But I do believe we need to try and focus on what's appropriate for each section.
That's why I have different categories - so things don't sprawl all over the place.
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Jun 6, 2015 20:16:29 GMT
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 6, 2015 20:16:29 GMT
Hi BLC, you are right ofcourse!!! You are the administrator of your own forum. But I was telling you the truth when I told you that my remarks on your forum was not made in a snotty mood, but more in a lighthearted manner. I am at an age now that the penny takes a while to drop as I am not as alert as I once was. I do tell the truth as I don't believe in deceiving people, I definitely couldn't live with myself if I did that. I wouldn't like myself at all. There was nothing lighthearted about those posts where you accused me of preventing people from replying to you, nor the pm you sent me when I tried to get you to take our discussion regarding derailing, to pm. Hi BLC, you may perceive my posts as being snotty, but I can assure you there is no nastiness in my heart and certainly wasn't when I posted. I won't be commenting any more on this issue as it is seemingly pointless. I could try to explain till I am blue in the face, but it wouln't change your apparent determination to perceive my posts as being snotty, so have it you way. May the Blessings be
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Jun 6, 2015 20:33:37 GMT
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 6, 2015 20:33:37 GMT
The reason I moved the discussion to a new thread was because it wasn't appropriate for the section it was on. I value discussion and I'm happy to put up with views I don't agree with; I didn't ban the Holocaust denial thread even though it disgusted me. But I do believe we need to try and focus on what's appropriate for each section. That's why I have different categories - so things don't sprawl all over the place. Hi Big Lin, I'm apparently slow to learn, but I understand now, so there is absolutely no animosity on my part about anything. I question anything that I don't understand, because that is how a person learns. but it is always in a puzzled manner, not a snotty one as BLC wants to believe. Anyway, thanks for your understanding and for allowing me on your forum.
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Jun 6, 2015 20:56:37 GMT
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 6, 2015 20:56:37 GMT
Hi BLC, you are right ofcourse!!! You are the administrator of your own forum. But I was telling you the truth when I told you that my remarks on your forum was not made in a snotty mood, but more in a lighthearted manner. I am at an age now that the penny takes a while to drop as I am not as alert as I once was. I do tell the truth as I don't believe in deceiving people, I definitely couldn't live with myself if I did that. I wouldn't like myself at all. There was nothing lighthearted about those posts where you accused me of preventing people from replying to you, nor the pm you sent me when I tried to get you to take our discussion regarding derailing, to pm. Hi BLC, it looks like I evidently misconstued what you meant, I understand now what derailing a thread means so I apologize if that was indeed what I was doing. Still in all, at the time I thought you were being nasty to me by moving me to the PM thread. And as I had no understanding in what way I was derailing the thread, I sent you the post on the same pm thread.
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Jun 6, 2015 21:12:29 GMT
Post by blc on Jun 6, 2015 21:12:29 GMT
There was nothing lighthearted about those posts where you accused me of preventing people from replying to you, nor the pm you sent me when I tried to get you to take our discussion regarding derailing, to pm. Hi BLC, it looks like I evidently misconstued what you meant, I understand now what derailing a thread means so I apologize if that was indeed what I was doing. Still in all, at the time I thought you were being nasty to me by moving me to the PM thread. And as I had no understanding in what way I was derailing the thread, I sent you the post on the same pm thread. After explaining it at two different sites now, I'm glad to hear it! A pm is a private message, not a thread open to all members. It is where private off topic conversations take place.
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Jun 7, 2015 3:23:34 GMT
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 7, 2015 3:23:34 GMT
Hi BLC, it looks like I evidently misconstued what you meant, I understand now what derailing a thread means so I apologize if that was indeed what I was doing. Still in all, at the time I thought you were being nasty to me by moving me to the PM thread. And as I had no understanding in what way I was derailing the thread, I sent you the post on the same pm thread. After explaining it at two different sites now, I'm glad to hear it! A pm is a private message, not a thread open to all members. It is where private off topic conversations take place. Hi BCL, I am still learning the ropes despite what you may think and I will definitely be trying to avoid any more mistakes, but my memory doesn't serve me as well as it should, so it is possible I might still be guilty every now and then, but I honestly hope not.
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