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Post by ♫anna♫ on Feb 25, 2015 0:07:18 GMT
Can we control our destiny? In Part? Completely? Not at All?
Are the things that happen to us tests? random events? drawn to us by our state of consciousness?
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Post by Big Lin on Feb 25, 2015 22:17:34 GMT
I think I'll get Mike to talk on this subject. He's what's called a 'soft determinist.'
I'm more of a voluntarist!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Feb 28, 2015 12:36:39 GMT
Can we control our destiny? In Part? Completely? Not at All?
Are the things that happen to us tests? random events? drawn to us by our state of consciousness? Our choice of action ofcourse is brought about by our state of counsciousness. As we evolve spiritually our state of consciousness changes as a result and naturally we will make better decisions which will lead to wiser actions. It is a step by step procedure and as we are responsible for every action, it means that we are creating our future, and therefore in control of our destiny, although this is not always recognized. Until it is recognized, most people will think that life is a series of random events, which it isn't, as I have been led to believe by the experiences that I have had.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Feb 28, 2015 23:18:39 GMT
Hi BigLin, I am waiting for Mike's response to this thread.I hope he hasn't chickened out of giving some input.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Mar 1, 2015 7:20:06 GMT
I found this quote in a Google search and it intrigued me. I use this "picturing" to do things that I don't like to do. If I for example don't want to get out of bed instead of using the IMO limited resource of will power I picture my body in the bathroom brusing my teeth and my body just gets up to correspond with that image.
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Post by Big Lin on Mar 2, 2015 1:39:10 GMT
Chris, Mike hasn't been well. He's only back to health today but I can assure you that he is one of the bravest men I've ever known in every respect.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 2, 2015 3:09:50 GMT
Chris, Mike hasn't been well. He's only back to health today but I can assure you that he is one of the bravest men I've ever known in every respect. Hi Big Lin, my last post was ofcourse ' tongue in cheek ' I hope he returns to full health as soon as possible. All the best to you both.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 2, 2015 3:15:27 GMT
I found this quote in a Google search and it intrigued me. I use this "picturing" to do things that I don't like to do. If I for example don't want to get out of bed instead of using the IMO limited resource of will power I picture my body in the bathroom brusing my teeth and my body just gets up to correspond with that image. I believe that to be true, that is why we have imagination.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Mar 3, 2015 7:42:04 GMT
Abraham Hicks is one of these people who believe that we are capable of "destiny tuning".
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Mar 3, 2015 7:48:40 GMT
Could this be?
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Mar 3, 2015 8:01:43 GMT
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Post by Emerald on Mar 3, 2015 15:55:08 GMT
Yes but in a limited way
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 11, 2015 21:53:11 GMT
Could this be? Hi Anna, to a certain extent. There is still Karma to be taken care of, but yes, I believe that if we fix our thoughts on something, we can help these thoughts to eventuate.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 12, 2015 6:40:50 GMT
Hi Emerald, in what way do to think that it is limited?
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Post by Big Lin on Mar 12, 2015 16:37:48 GMT
Hi Emerald, in what way do to think that it is limited? Our choices are limited in lots of ways. If we are poor we can't spend as much money even on necessities let alone things that aren't. If we're a paraplegic we can't act physically in the same way as able-bodied people do. If we have mental illness we can't think or act in the same way as normal people. If we're put into extreme situations we tend to react differently from how we would in more stable ones. And so on and so on. The idea of absolute free choice is just not viable.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 13, 2015 22:45:16 GMT
Hi Emerald, in what way do to think that it is limited? Our choices are limited in lots of ways. If we are poor we can't spend as much money even on necessities let alone things that aren't. If we're a paraplegic we can't act physically in the same way as able-bodied people do. If we have mental illness we can't think or act in the same way as normal people. If we're put into extreme situations we tend to react differently from how we would in more stable ones. And so on and so on. The idea of absolute free choice is just not viable. No doubt that is the case, but I have read of a disabled person accomplishing great things with help, which ofcourse is always needed in such circumstances.
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Post by Big Lin on Mar 14, 2015 0:04:04 GMT
Our choices are limited in lots of ways. If we are poor we can't spend as much money even on necessities let alone things that aren't. If we're a paraplegic we can't act physically in the same way as able-bodied people do. If we have mental illness we can't think or act in the same way as normal people. If we're put into extreme situations we tend to react differently from how we would in more stable ones. And so on and so on. The idea of absolute free choice is just not viable. No doubt that is the case, but I have read of a disabled person accomplishing great things with help, which ofcourse is always needed in such circumstances. The point is that the idea of absolute free choice is nonsensical just as the idea that everything is preordained. We make choices that are as free as possible given our situation.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 14, 2015 1:40:12 GMT
No doubt that is the case, but I have read of a disabled person accomplishing great things with help, which ofcourse is always needed in such circumstances. The point is that the idea of absolute free choice is nonsensical just as the idea that everything is preordained. We make choices that are as free as possible given our situation. Hi Big Lin, I think we have freedom of choice within the bounderies of God,'s Law that was instigated at the moment of Creation. As I am a member of ECKANKAR and therefore believe in reincarnation, past lives and Soul travel, it stands to reason that we reap what we sow (Karma) We do have freedom of choice but it is limited by what we chose to put into action in previous lives. So it is we who are limiting ourselves. Once we know this,we can curtail our actions to the extent that we are not so limited in a future life. Many people don't realise this, so consequently reach a stage where life can be unbearable.
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Post by Big Lin on Mar 14, 2015 19:50:17 GMT
The point is that the idea of absolute free choice is nonsensical just as the idea that everything is preordained. We make choices that are as free as possible given our situation. Hi Big Lin, I think we have freedom of choice within the bounderies of God,'s Law that was instigated at the moment of Creation. As I am a member of ECKANKAR and therefore believe in reincarnation, past lives and Soul travel, it stands to reason that we reap what we sow (Karma) We do have freedom of choice but it is limited by what we chose to put into action in previous lives. So it is we who are limiting ourselves. Once we know this,we can curtail our actions to the extent that we are not so limited in a future life. Many people don't realise this, so consequently reach a stage where life can be unbearable. at The idea that 'we reap what we sow' is falsified on a daily basis where the good suffer and evil people prospers. And I don't believe in reincarnation either and even if I did I don't believe a God of love could possibly force us to go through all that again and again completely unnecessarily. It is NOT 'we' who are limiting ourselves; a paraplegic can NEVER do the same things as an able-bodied person no matter how much they may want to. It is circumstances beyond our control that are responsible for most of our limits. And frankly the whole idea of some nebulous 'future life' where we won't be 'limited' is just not only ridiculous to me but to be honest downright immoral.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Mar 14, 2015 22:11:08 GMT
Hi Big Lin, I think we have freedom of choice within the bounderies of God,'s Law that was instigated at the moment of Creation. As I am a member of ECKANKAR and therefore believe in reincarnation, past lives and Soul travel, it stands to reason that we reap what we sow (Karma) We do have freedom of choice but it is limited by what we chose to put into action in previous lives. So it is we who are limiting ourselves. Once we know this,we can curtail our actions to the extent that we are not so limited in a future life. Many people don't realise this, so consequently reach a stage where life can be unbearable. at The idea that 'we reap what we sow' is falsified on a daily basis where the good suffer and evil people prospers. And I don't believe in reincarnation either and even if I did I don't believe a God of love could possibly force us to go through all that again and again completely unnecessarily. It is NOT 'we' who are limiting ourselves; a paraplegic can NEVER do the same things as an able-bodied person no matter how much they may want to. It is circumstances beyond our control that are responsible for most of our limits. And frankly the whole idea of some nebulous 'future life' where we won't be 'limited' is just not only ridiculous to me but to be honest downright immoral. God is a God of love, you are right in your statement!!! If you believe in Soul, where is it, and what is it doing right this minute? We know the body returns to the earth and rots, so that is not going to enter Heaven. Circumstances are not beyond our control, that is what I am trying to explain. There are so many different beliefs, surely they can't all be the truth. I wonder which belief IS the truth, is it only yours? If that is what you think? How presumptious of you to assume that. It is just what you have chosen to believe, and isn't necessarily so.
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