Test Your Chess Skill

[♫anna♫]

Oct 15, 2015 19:37:26 GMT blc said:

Oct 15, 2015 18:33:34 GMT ♫anna♫ said:

You're right blc . Attempting to win the Bishop with Rook f1 to c1 only runs into Black's saving response Rook c8 to d8 attacking White's Queen and saving the Bishop.

Not THAT rook.

What are you trying to say blc ?

[♫anna♫]

Black to move and win.

[blc]

Oct 15, 2015 19:56:39 GMT ♫anna♫ said:

Oct 15, 2015 19:37:26 GMT blc said:

Not THAT rook.

What are you trying to say blc ?

I was talking about the rook at C4

I think there is more than one game being discussed in this thread and its making things confusing. So I'll just stop.

[kronks]

Oct 15, 2015 20:02:16 GMT ♫anna♫ said:

Black to move and win.

Queen to C5 - check, I think if he does not take your queen you take his.
If he takes your queen you advance pawn to g1 and promote to queen
putting black in check with the black queen behind which you can take
when black moves out of check.

[♫anna♫]

Oct 15, 2015 20:53:51 GMT blc said:

Oct 15, 2015 19:56:39 GMT ♫anna♫ said:

What are you trying to say blc ?

I was talking about the rook at C4

I think there is more than one game being discussed in this thread and its making things confusing. So I'll just stop.

Of course moving the rook at c4 allows Black to escape. I simply mentioned moving the rook at f1 to c1 which also allows Black to escape.

[♫anna♫]

Oct 15, 2015 21:31:32 GMT kronks said:

Oct 15, 2015 20:02:16 GMT ♫anna♫ said:

Black to move and win.

Queen to C5 - check, I think if he does not take your queen you take his.
If he takes your queen you advance pawn to g1 and promote to queen
putting black in check with the black queen behind which you can take
when black moves out of check.

Correct! Simple and decisive!

[♫anna♫]

Corresponding squares!


White to play and draw.

If White goes after Black's pawns while Black is threatening the White pawn White will loose. It's Chess not Pacman. Therefore White's King has to keep going to correct square to meet Black's multiple threats. Finding the 1st move isn't easy, if you're not familiar with the defensive strategy.

kronks Big Lin mikemarshall

[Scottish Lassie]

Oct 15, 2015 18:46:20 GMT ♫anna♫ said:

Oct 14, 2015 8:30:29 GMT Scottish Lassie said:

Hi Anna, I have forgotten the moves that each piece can make, so although I would like to play, I can't. Is that Pawns or Bishops on the board?

This is a chess endgame Scottish Lassie with only pawns and of course the Black + White Kings.

I thought someone said that they were Queens Anna and you are calling them Kings.. I will have to buy myself a beginners book as I can see I have forgotten everything. It's possible that I have some chess books around somewhere, but goodness only knows where they are?

[Big Lin]

Each side only has one king and one queen (though when a pawn reaches the last rank it is promoted and usually to a Queen - though not always!)

It's not draughts (checkers) - chess is a completely different game!

[♫anna♫]

Oct 16, 2015 1:26:28 GMT Scottish Lassie said:

Oct 15, 2015 18:46:20 GMT ♫anna♫ said:

This is a chess endgame Scottish Lassie with only pawns and of course the Black + White Kings.

I thought someone said that they were Queens Anna and you are calling them Kings.. I will have to buy myself a beginners book as I can see I have forgotten everything. It's possible that I have some chess books around somewhere, but goodness only knows where they are?

The king is the one piece you can't loose. If your opponent captures your king it's called checkmate and he/she wins the game. The Queens are often exchanged ( traded off ) and are removed from the board before the final phase of a chess game called the endgame.

[Scottish Lassie]

Oct 16, 2015 6:55:47 GMT Big Lin said:

Each side only has one king and one queen (though when a pawn reaches the last rank it is promoted and usually to a Queen - though not always!)

It's not draughts (checkers) - chess is a completely different game!

Hi Big Lin, that's something I really didn't know, maybe my son didn't know either. It is a great game for exercising the grey matter, for sure!!!

[Scottish Lassie]

Oct 16, 2015 17:40:30 GMT ♫anna♫ said:

Oct 16, 2015 1:26:28 GMT Scottish Lassie said:

I thought someone said that they were Queens Anna and you are calling them Kings.. I will have to buy myself a beginners book as I can see I have forgotten everything. It's possible that I have some chess books around somewhere, but goodness only knows where they are?

The king is the one piece you can't loose. If your opponent captures your king it's called checkmate and he/she wins the game. The Queens are often exchanged ( traded off ) and are removed from the board before the final phase of a chess game called the endgame.

Hi Anna, I appreciate your info, I have forgotten so much, so the next time I'm in town (if I remember') I will get myself a beginner's book.

[kronks]

Oct 15, 2015 23:01:14 GMT ♫anna♫ said:

Corresponding squares!


White to play and draw.

If White goes after Black's pawns while Black is threatening the White pawn White will loose. It's Chess not Pacman. Therefore White's King has to keep going to correct square to meet Black's multiple threats. Finding the 1st move isn't easy, if you're not familiar with the defensive strategy.

kronks Big Lin mikemarshall

Bit of  tricky one, I think white has to protect that pawn, but not too sure how that is done
the danger is black forcing the white king found untill block by a black pawn reach (f4 I think).

I get the feel-ling f1 is the safest, or at least the other option do not seem to work
(it is  a bit difficult accessing several moves in your head and remembering what is where!!).

Would need more time to think about it.

[Scottish Lassie]

Hi Anna, It's going to take some time before I will be able to join in. I still have to get the book, and then I have to find the time to read it. So many years have passed since I have played chess and my memory is letting me down badly. to boot!!! Hope you understand the expression? It just means 'as well'

[♫anna♫]

Oct 22, 2015 0:21:49 GMT kronks said:

Oct 15, 2015 23:01:14 GMT ♫anna♫ said:

Corresponding squares!


White to play and draw.

If White goes after Black's pawns while Black is threatening the White pawn White will loose. It's Chess not Pacman. Therefore White's King has to keep going to correct square to meet Black's multiple threats. Finding the 1st move isn't easy, if you're not familiar with the defensive strategy.

kronks Big Lin mikemarshall

Bit of  tricky one, I think white has to protect that pawn, but not too sure how that is done
the danger is black forcing the white king found untill block by a black pawn reach (f4 I think).

I get the feel-ling f1 is the safest, or at least the other option do not seem to work
(it is  a bit difficult accessing several moves in your head and remembering what is where!!).

Would need more time to think about it.

At first glance your suggestions looks playable kronks . The trouble starts after a few moves..Notice how White's own pawn stands in the way of White's king and disaster follows.

1. Kf1 Kd2 2. Kf2 Kd3 3. Kg3 Ke3 4. Kg2 Ke2 5. Kg3 Kf1 6. Kg4 Kg2 7. Kxg5 Kxf3 8. Kf5 e4

[kronks]

Oct 22, 2015 4:45:22 GMT ♫anna♫ said:

Oct 22, 2015 0:21:49 GMT kronks said:

Bit of  tricky one, I think white has to protect that pawn, but not too sure how that is done
the danger is black forcing the white king found untill block by a black pawn reach (f4 I think).

I get the feel-ling f1 is the safest, or at least the other option do not seem to work
(it is  a bit difficult accessing several moves in your head and remembering what is where!!).

Would need more time to think about it.

At first glance your suggestions looks playable kronks . The trouble starts after a few moves..Notice how White's own pawn stands in the way of White's king and disaster follows.

1. Kf1 Kd2 2. Kf2 Kd3 3. Kg3 Ke3 4. Kg2 Ke2 5. Kg3 Kf1 6. Kg4 Kg2 7. Kxg5 Kxf3 8. Kf5 e4

Yes I have just set this postion up on an online chessboard

www.apronus.com/chess/computer.htm?fen=08X8X8X4p1p1X8X5P2X6K1X3k4_w_-_-_0_1

I have had a quick go and everything I have tried so far has failed!!

I will have another go at it though!

[kronks]

1. Kh1 2.Kd2 Kh2 3.Kc2 Kg2 4.g4 fxg4 5.e4 g5 6.e3 g6 7.e2 g7 8.e1=Q g8=Q 9.Qe4+ Kf2 10.Kc1 Qg3 11.Qd4+ Qe3+ 12.Qxe3+ Kxe3 13.Kb2

I did it!!



Was more from reading the clue  and moving to a corresponding square than chess ability,
I had tried pretty much every thing else!

I am not even too sure what I did or why, I tried the same thing again and lost lol.

[kronks]

Well I tried that again and the computer played it differently and I'd lose I think.

[♫anna♫]

Congrats kronks . Here's the site where I got this position and a detailed explanation.
www.chess.com/blog/PaulEChess/develop-logical-thinking-in-the-endgame-intense-king-and-pawn-study


This corresponding square concept in King + Pawn endgames is like a dance. If Black's king goes to square 3 white's king must go to his corresponding square 3 and Black must never occupy a W square or capture the pawn because White looses then.


mikemarshall Scottish Lassie Big Lin

[kronks]

Interesting and puzzling stuff.

For starters I am not sure if I can repeat my 'win' (draw) as I think it make a different move now,
I will have to look at it again though as my brain get tired out trying so many things.

Also the black king moves to which requires me to move off the board, although I expect h1 or h3 is the square to go to. (seems I got that wrong though lol).

I am not used to those sort of situations really maybe because I'd lose them pretty quickly.

But it is interesting stuff, it is almost like a whole new game. Indeed it seemed more like performing a dance than chess!

A lot of it seem to revolve around who has to more ie in a situation where if it your turn to move you lose but if it is your opponents turn you don't lose.

[♫anna♫]

Black to move and checkmate in 2 moves. The motive or tactical method is called "blockade" meaning you force white to block a square by occupying it with one of his own pieces. "Deflection": Luring a defending enemy piece away f4rom it's square is also involved. An unusual motive.

Tricky, Tricky!

kronks Big Lin blc mikemarshall

[kronks]

rook to d3 forcing white knight to take that rook and occupy d3,
them bishops to e6 mate!!
Clever stuff!

[Scottish Lassie]

Oct 26, 2015 12:59:38 GMT ♫anna♫ said:

Black to move and checkmate in 2 moves. The motive or tactical method is called "blockade" meaning you force white to block a square by occupying it with one of his own pieces. "Deflection": Luring a defending enemy piece away f4rom it's square is also involved. An unusual motive.

Tricky, Tricky!

kronks Big Lin blc mikemarshall

Hi Anna, I have forgotten the names of the different pieces but isn't the white queen in danger from the horse and the black queen. I have also forgotten whether some of the pieces move, whether straight or diagonal.. Still haven't got the chess book yet.

[♫anna♫]

Oct 27, 2015 1:10:10 GMT Scottish Lassie said:

Oct 26, 2015 12:59:38 GMT ♫anna♫ said:

Black to move and checkmate in 2 moves. The motive or tactical method is called "blockade" meaning you force white to block a square by occupying it with one of his own pieces. "Deflection": Luring a defending enemy piece away f4rom it's square is also involved. An unusual motive.

Tricky, Tricky!

kronks Big Lin blc mikemarshall

Hi Anna, I have forgotten the names of the different pieces but isn't the white queen in danger from the horse and the black queen. I have also forgotten whether some of the pieces move, whether straight or diagonal.. Still haven't got the chess book yet.

grandgames.net/en/rules/chess

Hi Scottish Lassie
In the position I posted the Queen's are already gone from the board. Queen exchanges are often inevitable at some point in the game. The moves of chess pieces are summed up on the link and image above.

[Scottish Lassie]

Oct 27, 2015 1:16:47 GMT ♫anna♫ said:

Oct 27, 2015 1:10:10 GMT Scottish Lassie said:

Hi Anna, I have forgotten the names of the different pieces but isn't the white queen in danger from the horse and the black queen. I have also forgotten whether some of the pieces move, whether straight or diagonal.. Still haven't got the chess book yet.

grandgames.net/en/rules/chess

Hi Scottish Lassie
In the position I posted the Queen's are already gone from the board. Queen exchanges are often inevitable at some point in the game. The moves of chess pieces are summed up on the link and image above.

Hi Anna, so the pieces that I think are queens must then be kings.Thanks for the post but it is all too small for me to make out what the pieces are and I'm using a magnifying glass besides my reading spectacles. Ihave set it to large but it doesn't make any difference. Everybodies posts and my own are at their smallest.