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Post by blc on Oct 15, 2015 7:34:09 GMT
I'd move the white Queen from D3 to C2. You got the right idea blc . It was a long time ago when I posted this position and at first glance it appears that either bringing the Queen or Rook to the c file wins, but Black I believe has a saving resource against either the rook or queen move. I actually forget and I'll have to try and dig up my notes or solve it myself. If I take the Queen to C2, then depending on what black does, my rook would be free to take the black bishop.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 15, 2015 18:33:34 GMT
If I take the Queen to C2, then depending on what black does, my rook would be free to take the black bishop. You're right blc . Attempting to win the Bishop with Rook f1 to c1 only runs into Black's saving response Rook c8 to d8 attacking White's Queen and saving the Bishop.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 15, 2015 18:46:20 GMT
White can win easily, but you have to do an Alice in Wonderland type dance to keep the Black king away from neutralising the White pawns. kronks Big Lin mikemarshall blc Hi Anna, I have forgotten the moves that each piece can make, so although I would like to play, I can't. Is that Pawns or Bishops on the board? This is a chess endgame Scottish Lassie with only pawns and of course the Black + White Kings.
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Post by blc on Oct 15, 2015 19:37:26 GMT
If I take the Queen to C2, then depending on what black does, my rook would be free to take the black bishop. You're right blc . Attempting to win the Bishop with Rook f1 to c1 only runs into Black's saving response Rook c8 to d8 attacking White's Queen and saving the Bishop. Not THAT rook.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 15, 2015 19:51:24 GMT
White can win easily, but you have to do an Alice in Wonderland type dance to keep the Black king away from neutralising the White pawns. kronks Big Lin mikemarshall blc Well he can move to b2 and force the black kind back (or black moves his pawn forward until one can betaken and passed) then when the black king is back a space he can move the king to the side say c3 so he can move pawn tob4 whilst still protected and repeat the process. Or until black does the sensible thing and resigns But not all players are as sensible as that!! Correct kronks ! The first move and only winning move is King to b2. Black has to retreat a square probably to b5 maintaing the "opposition" and making it impossible to queen the b pawn. White goes to c3 which is called triangulation. Black plays King to and c5 only then does the White King go after the Black pawns winning since Black must make an extra move to capture the b pawn. Big Lin
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 15, 2015 19:56:39 GMT
You're right blc . Attempting to win the Bishop with Rook f1 to c1 only runs into Black's saving response Rook c8 to d8 attacking White's Queen and saving the Bishop. Not THAT rook. What are you trying to say blc ?
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 15, 2015 20:02:16 GMT
Black to move and win.
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Post by blc on Oct 15, 2015 20:53:51 GMT
What are you trying to say blc ? I was talking about the rook at C4 I think there is more than one game being discussed in this thread and its making things confusing. So I'll just stop.
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Post by kronks on Oct 15, 2015 21:31:32 GMT
Black to move and win. Queen to C5 - check, I think if he does not take your queen you take his. If he takes your queen you advance pawn to g1 and promote to queen putting black in check with the black queen behind which you can take when black moves out of check.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 15, 2015 22:37:12 GMT
What are you trying to say blc ? I was talking about the rook at C4 I think there is more than one game being discussed in this thread and its making things confusing. So I'll just stop. Of course moving the rook at c4 allows Black to escape. I simply mentioned moving the rook at f1 to c1 which also allows Black to escape.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 15, 2015 22:40:12 GMT
Black to move and win. Queen to C5 - check, I think if he does not take your queen you take his. If he takes your queen you advance pawn to g1 and promote to queen putting black in check with the black queen behind which you can take when black moves out of check. Correct! Simple and decisive!
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 15, 2015 23:01:14 GMT
Corresponding squares! White to play and draw.
If White goes after Black's pawns while Black is threatening the White pawn White will loose. It's Chess not Pacman. Therefore White's King has to keep going to correct square to meet Black's multiple threats. Finding the 1st move isn't easy, if you're not familiar with the defensive strategy. kronks Big Lin mikemarshall
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 16, 2015 1:26:28 GMT
Hi Anna, I have forgotten the moves that each piece can make, so although I would like to play, I can't. Is that Pawns or Bishops on the board? This is a chess endgame Scottish Lassie with only pawns and of course the Black + White Kings. I thought someone said that they were Queens Anna and you are calling them Kings.. I will have to buy myself a beginners book as I can see I have forgotten everything. It's possible that I have some chess books around somewhere, but goodness only knows where they are?
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Post by Big Lin on Oct 16, 2015 6:55:47 GMT
Each side only has one king and one queen (though when a pawn reaches the last rank it is promoted and usually to a Queen - though not always!)
It's not draughts (checkers) - chess is a completely different game!
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 16, 2015 17:40:30 GMT
This is a chess endgame Scottish Lassie with only pawns and of course the Black + White Kings. I thought someone said that they were Queens Anna and you are calling them Kings.. I will have to buy myself a beginners book as I can see I have forgotten everything. It's possible that I have some chess books around somewhere, but goodness only knows where they are? The king is the one piece you can't loose. If your opponent captures your king it's called checkmate and he/she wins the game. The Queens are often exchanged ( traded off ) and are removed from the board before the final phase of a chess game called the endgame.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 17, 2015 22:56:53 GMT
Each side only has one king and one queen (though when a pawn reaches the last rank it is promoted and usually to a Queen - though not always!) It's not draughts (checkers) - chess is a completely different game! Hi Big Lin, that's something I really didn't know, maybe my son didn't know either. It is a great game for exercising the grey matter, for sure!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 17, 2015 23:10:09 GMT
I thought someone said that they were Queens Anna and you are calling them Kings.. I will have to buy myself a beginners book as I can see I have forgotten everything. It's possible that I have some chess books around somewhere, but goodness only knows where they are? The king is the one piece you can't loose. If your opponent captures your king it's called checkmate and he/she wins the game. The Queens are often exchanged ( traded off ) and are removed from the board before the final phase of a chess game called the endgame. Hi Anna, I appreciate your info, I have forgotten so much, so the next time I'm in town (if I remember') I will get myself a beginner's book.
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Post by kronks on Oct 22, 2015 0:21:49 GMT
Corresponding squares! White to play and draw.
If White goes after Black's pawns while Black is threatening the White pawn White will loose. It's Chess not Pacman. Therefore White's King has to keep going to correct square to meet Black's multiple threats. Finding the 1st move isn't easy, if you're not familiar with the defensive strategy. kronks Big Lin mikemarshall Bit of tricky one, I think white has to protect that pawn, but not too sure how that is done the danger is black forcing the white king found untill block by a black pawn reach (f4 I think). I get the feel-ling f1 is the safest, or at least the other option do not seem to work (it is a bit difficult accessing several moves in your head and remembering what is where!!). Would need more time to think about it.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Oct 22, 2015 1:55:07 GMT
Hi Anna, It's going to take some time before I will be able to join in. I still have to get the book, and then I have to find the time to read it. So many years have passed since I have played chess and my memory is letting me down badly. to boot!!! Hope you understand the expression? It just means 'as well'
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Oct 22, 2015 4:45:22 GMT
Corresponding squares! White to play and draw.
If White goes after Black's pawns while Black is threatening the White pawn White will loose. It's Chess not Pacman. Therefore White's King has to keep going to correct square to meet Black's multiple threats. Finding the 1st move isn't easy, if you're not familiar with the defensive strategy. kronks Big Lin mikemarshall Bit of tricky one, I think white has to protect that pawn, but not too sure how that is done the danger is black forcing the white king found untill block by a black pawn reach (f4 I think). I get the feel-ling f1 is the safest, or at least the other option do not seem to work (it is a bit difficult accessing several moves in your head and remembering what is where!!). Would need more time to think about it. At first glance your suggestions looks playable kronks . The trouble starts after a few moves..Notice how White's own pawn stands in the way of White's king and disaster follows.
1. Kf1 Kd2 2. Kf2 Kd3 3. Kg3 Ke3 4. Kg2 Ke2 5. Kg3 Kf1 6. Kg4 Kg2 7. Kxg5 Kxf3 8. Kf5 e4
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