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Post by ♫anna♫ on Feb 19, 2013 10:07:41 GMT
www.foxnews.com/politics/2013/02/18/terrorist-serving-life-for-role-in-13-wtc-bombing-reportedly-sues-to-end/ QUOTE: Terrorist serving life for role in 1993 WTC bombing reportedly sues to end solitaryFeb. 18, 2013 A convicted terrorist serving life with no parole plus 240 years for masterminding the 1993 World Trade Center bombing has reportedly filed a lawsuit arguing he should be let out of solitary confinement. The Los Angeles Times reports Ramzi Yousef is hoping he can persuade a judge to end his nearly 24-hour solitary confinement at a Colorado prison known as the "Fortress in the Rockies." "I request an immediate end to my solitary confinement and ask to be in a unit in an open prison environment where inmates are allowed outside their cells for no less than 14 hours a day," he reportedly wrote in confidential government records obtained by The Los Angeles Times. "I have been in solitary confinement in the U.S. since Feb. 8, 1995, with no end in sight.... I further ask not to be in handcuffs or leg irons when moved outside my cell." Yousef reportedly claims his due process under the law is being violated because he has no chance to get out of solitary confinement despite 15 years of good behavior in prison. The lawsuit reportedly claims his time in solitary confinement has led to "severe psychological trauma." Yousef was convicted of masterminding the February 1993 bombing, which killed six and injured more than 1,000. He was also convicted of trying to kill Pope John Paul II and President Clinton, and plotting to bomb planes. His terror acts were funded by Al Qaeda and his uncle Khalid Shaikh Mohammed, who is allegedly the mastermind behind the September 11 attacks, The Los Angeles Times reports.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2013 12:43:08 GMT
he should have no right to request ANYTHING imo
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2013 14:03:09 GMT
I don;t agree; in the first place solitary confinement is a very cruel punishment and secondly just because a criminal forfeits their civil rights doiesn't mean they forfeit their human rights which no one can lawfully take away from them
The bloke's scum but he still is a human being with human rights
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Post by Hunny on Feb 19, 2013 19:11:25 GMT
That's actually torture, keeping him in solitary all those years. It doesn't matter what he's done, if we do inhumane things we've sunk to his level.
I mean sure he doesn't "deserve" to be in a nice place with a computer and a television - but to lock him in a cage alone all those years? That's monstrous of us to do.
I'm a big believer in you shouldnt do the very thing you're condemning someone for having done - so for instance: the death penalty for killing; or caging someone for taking a hostage; or putting someone somewhere where we know he'll get abused, because he abused. All examples of US committing the very acts we claim are so wrong.
That's a little messed up, don't you think? Hypocritical?
Couldnt we just lock dangerous people away withOUT torturing them?
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Post by sadie1263 on Feb 19, 2013 19:17:14 GMT
Don't they put them in solitary sometimes because they are in danger.......or they are a danger to others???
Oh well.....as long as he signs something saying he assumes the risk.......otherwise he'll get hurt and just sue again.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2013 19:46:13 GMT
I watched a documentary last night on Aylesbury Prison, a top security place. The segregation cells looked great, whereas everyone else had to share.
The thought of having to share a cell with someone who talks all the time or wants to watch Big Brother 24/7 is my idea of hell. If I should end up in jail I would go all-out to get solitary.
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Post by sadie1263 on Feb 19, 2013 20:01:41 GMT
Good points Sky...........I just know I would end up with someone that was bigger than me and loved the movie Howard the Duck or something........
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Post by mikemarshall on Feb 19, 2013 20:24:30 GMT
The alternative to sharing a cell should not be solitary confinement.
You can put people in single cells but still let them circulate and mix.
The whole point about solitary is you can't do that and IMO that is simply wrong on every level - morally, practically and in terms of its hypothetical deterrent effect.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2013 21:06:18 GMT
I don;t agree; in the first place solitary confinement is a very cruel punishment and secondly just because a criminal forfeits their civil rights doiesn't mean they forfeit their human rights which no one can lawfully take away from them The bloke's scum but he still is a human being with human rights It's very cruel to blow innocent people to smithereens! He is getting what he deserves imo
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Post by Deleted on Feb 19, 2013 21:08:35 GMT
That's actually torture, keeping him in solitary all those years. It doesn't matter what he's done, if we do inhumane things we've sunk to his level. I mean sure he doesn't "deserve" to be in a nice place with a computer and a television - but to lock him in a cage alone all those years? That's monstrous of us to do. I'm a big believer in you shouldnt do the very thing you're condemning someone for having done - so for instance: the death penalty for killing; or caging someone for taking a hostage; or putting someone somewhere where we know he'll get abused, because he abused. All examples of US committing the very acts we claim are so wrong. That's a little messed up, don't you think? Hypocritical? Couldnt we just lock dangerous people away withOUT torturing them? Where does it say he's in a cage!! He's got all his comforts don't you worry ,roof over his head ,food warmth and entertainment ,he's got it cushy
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2013 7:12:38 GMT
The alternative to sharing a cell should not be solitary confinement. You can put people in single cells but still let them circulate and mix. The whole point about solitary is you can't do that and IMO that is simply wrong on every level - morally, practically and in terms of its hypothetical deterrent effect. That of course is true, Mike. I would add "work" to that too, because it isn't good for anyone of working age to be unemployed; idleness is one luxury prisoners should be denied.
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Post by Big Lin on Feb 20, 2013 14:14:05 GMT
I don;t agree; in the first place solitary confinement is a very cruel punishment and secondly just because a criminal forfeits their civil rights doiesn't mean they forfeit their human rights which no one can lawfully take away from them The bloke's scum but he still is a human being with human rights It's very cruel to blow innocent people to smithereens! He is getting what he deserves imo Yes, and I'd cheerfully have seen him executed but if you're going to put someone in prison then they still have the inherent human rights of any other person. Human rights is not the same as civil rights and if you're going to lock someone away you have a duty to treat them humanely. I know my views on prison reform are deeply unpopular with most people but IMO it's better to stand up for what you think is morally right than for what you think is politically correct.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2013 20:18:12 GMT
It's very cruel to blow innocent people to smithereens! He is getting what he deserves imo Yes, and I'd cheerfully have seen him executed but if you're going to put someone in prison then they still have the inherent human rights of any other person. Human rights is not the same as civil rights and if you're going to lock someone away you have a duty to treat them humanely. I know my views on prison reform are deeply unpopular with most people but IMO it's better to stand up for what you think is morally right than for what you think is politically correct. I cannot see anything wrong with him being in solitary confinement.
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Post by Big Lin on Feb 20, 2013 20:57:57 GMT
Yes, and I'd cheerfully have seen him executed but if you're going to put someone in prison then they still have the inherent human rights of any other person. Human rights is not the same as civil rights and if you're going to lock someone away you have a duty to treat them humanely. I know my views on prison reform are deeply unpopular with most people but IMO it's better to stand up for what you think is morally right than for what you think is politically correct. I cannot see anything wrong with him being in solitary confinement. We'll just have to agree to disagree. To me solitary punishment is nothing more than torture and not only is torture supposedly illegal even under the US constitution(though of course that's been so subverted by Presidents over the last hundred years or so it's become almost meaningless) but IMO anyway it's also immoral. Basically cruelty is I think just plain WRONG and solitary confinement is certainly a form of cruelty. I'd happily have strung this bloke up humanely at the end of a rope but putting him in solitary is just cruel IMO.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Feb 21, 2013 18:47:48 GMT
The thing I object to is the fact that he's still alive.
To put this in perspective, just imagine that this guy detonated a bomb that killed your entire family. Now suppose he writes you a letter from prison saying, "They're being mean to me."
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2013 13:34:13 GMT
Yeah, I feel the same, Bush Admirer. This bloke ought to have been executed!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 22, 2013 14:28:26 GMT
this guy has nothing to complain about imo he is freaking lucky to be alive!!!
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Post by Big Lin on Feb 22, 2013 16:54:40 GMT
Yes he is and I wish he HAD been executed BUT solitary confinement still IS a cruel punishment and a form of torture and therefore even a scumbag like him should NOT be subjected to it.
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Post by sadie1263 on Feb 22, 2013 21:28:52 GMT
Wonder if the conditions he lives in now are still better than what he was living back home......bet his life span is longer too.
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Post by Big Lin on Feb 22, 2013 22:36:46 GMT
Yes, but I come back to the same point; I'm in favour of executing people like him but NOT in favour of solitary confinement.
To me that's a clear form of torture and hasn't got any place in a civilised society.
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