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Post by Deleted on Dec 10, 2012 19:37:22 GMT
The call was on Tuesday, but details weren't released until thre following day because the radio station sought legal advice before broadcasting it. It was all over the airwaves here on Thursday, I think. It was on Thursday night that Jacintha Saldanha killed herself. www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2012/dec/07/kates-admission-hoax-nurses-death-timelineShe lived in Bristol, and normally stayed in hospital accommodation in London during the week, returning to her family at the weekend. What isn't clear is why she didn't speak to them on the phone or something. But when you reach such depths of anguish, sometimes you can't make the effort to contact anyone. To be alone at night is the worst thing in those circumstances. Who knows? Everyone is different and what is right for one is not for another. "Poor you, you must be feeling dreadful" is sometimes a worse respone than "snap out of it, that was nothing to get worked up over." She might well not have been able to face the questioning from her family.
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Post by jean on Dec 11, 2012 9:40:32 GMT
I don't believe snap out if it is ever a helpful response to anything, but it's not as bad as you think may well be.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 11, 2012 12:23:07 GMT
this woman was humilated in front of the whole world. Those DJs didn't give a damn, they were only after the publicity, they are now trying to say how "heartbroken" they are , what a load of rubbish.
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Post by sadie1263 on Dec 11, 2012 14:59:15 GMT
All she did was pass on the phone call to another nurse. That nurse gave out information. It would have been easy to turn the thing around to doing interviews on tv, radio shows, etc.......
I don't know what happened or what led her to this.....it is truly tragic. Pranks are played everyday.....thousands of times a day.....how do you know beforehand that the person is emotionally fragile........does no one ever play a prank again?
Again......while I am not guessing what was going on in her mind....or what drove her to this, she obviously was distraught......she dealt with the media storm for a week......her family and her children will deal with it every day for the rest of their lives.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Dec 12, 2012 15:11:08 GMT
For what it's worth the two Austrailian DJs tearfully apologized for their telephone prank, which may have led to a suicide.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 16:26:53 GMT
She died afterwards??!!! wow...hmm. Well I'm sure that's just a coincidence This makes me think of the phrase: "Dying of embarassment". Not funny.
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Post by sadie1263 on Dec 12, 2012 16:41:12 GMT
I wonder if there was anything else going on in her life or if she had any type of history of depression. I hope the family makes sure her children get extensive help to deal with the issues that will certainly come up.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2012 16:56:23 GMT
I don't believe snap out if it is ever a helpful response to anything, but it's not as bad as you think may well be. OK - yes, but the point I was clumsily trying to make is that the best people to put the whole thing in perspective were her fellow nurses, not her family who had no real hope of understanding the position she was in. Her family could offer nothing more than sympathy, but her colleagues could have talked it over, understood the situation - maybe the hospital could have been the best place for her that night.
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Post by jean on Dec 13, 2012 10:31:43 GMT
She hanged herself, and left a note - but its contents haven't been revealed.
Her family hadn't known that it was she who'd answered the phone.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2012 11:00:35 GMT
I heard she had left 3 notes, no doubt we will learn more when the inquest has been concluded.
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Post by iamjumbo on Dec 13, 2012 21:42:40 GMT
All she did was pass on the phone call to another nurse. That nurse gave out information. It would have been easy to turn the thing around to doing interviews on tv, radio shows, etc....... I don't know what happened or what led her to this.....it is truly tragic. Pranks are played everyday.....thousands of times a day.....how do you know beforehand that the person is emotionally fragile........does no one ever play a prank again? Again......while I am not guessing what was going on in her mind....or what drove her to this, she obviously was distraught......she dealt with the media storm for a week......her family and her children will deal with it every day for the rest of their lives. All she did was pass on the phone call to another nurse. that is it, period. she didn't do anything either illegal or unethical. she answered the phone, and forwarded the call. she had NOTHING to be distraught about. we aren't hearing anything about the nurse that actually violated the rules by giving out the information, obviously, because she had the moral fortitude to not let it bother her. the whole thing is about character, nothing else. when you have such a defective character that you willfully choose to harm your family and friends by being stupid enough to kill yourself, oh well. it simply doesn't matter if you just didn't think about that. it is your responsibility to ALWAYS think about that. you can't waste time feeling sorry for them
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Post by iamjumbo on Dec 13, 2012 21:47:56 GMT
I don't believe snap out if it is ever a helpful response to anything, but it's not as bad as you think may well be. OK - yes, but the point I was clumsily trying to make is that the best people to put the whole thing in perspective were her fellow nurses, not her family who had no real hope of understanding the position she was in. Her family could offer nothing more than sympathy, but her colleagues could have talked it over, understood the situation - maybe the hospital could have been the best place for her that night. many years ago, my mom called me, because my sister had decided to do a hari kari stunt and slit her stomach. when i went over there, the only thing that i said to her was, "are you that stupid? you didn't cut it nearly deep enough. you have to go all the way through the skin" that is how you deal with people that are that dumb. in my sister's case, she wasn't really trying to kill herself. she was doing it for attention. even if she had been serious though, i would have done exactly the same thing
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2012 6:32:59 GMT
But the nurse was serious; she died!
It is silly to fling wild guesses about, but here goes. Although the nurse passed on the call, she may well have given the impression that she has ascertained that the called was HMQ, thus putting the ward nurse and the hospital in jeopardy for breaching confidential information. That's speculation on my part of course; no doubt we will learn more later. But if that's how she saw it, no doubt the implications multiplied in her head.
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Post by jean on Dec 14, 2012 11:09:31 GMT
The other thing that has occurred to me is that, not being English herself, she may not realise that most of us don't have the deferential attitude to the Royal Family that would make us think that breaching their privacy would be that much worse than breaching anyone else's.
Thus she may have thought that what she did was much worse that any of us would consider it to be.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2012 14:12:40 GMT
OK - yes, but the point I was clumsily trying to make is that the best people to put the whole thing in perspective were her fellow nurses, not her family who had no real hope of understanding the position she was in. Her family could offer nothing more than sympathy, but her colleagues could have talked it over, understood the situation - maybe the hospital could have been the best place for her that night. how is your sister now ? Hope she's ok. many years ago, my mom called me, because my sister had decided to do a hari kari stunt and slit her stomach. when i went over there, the only thing that i said to her was, "are you that stupid? you didn't cut it nearly deep enough. you have to go all the way through the skin" that is how you deal with people that are that dumb. in my sister's case, she wasn't really trying to kill herself. she was doing it for attention. even if she had been serious though, i would have done exactly the same thing
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Post by jean on Dec 14, 2012 15:06:27 GMT
This is the BBC's reply to my complaint:
Dear Ms Hill
Thanks for contacting us regarding BBC News.
We understand you felt the BBC's coverage of the hoax call made to King Edward VII Hospital about the Duchess of Cambridge contributed to the death of nurse Jacintha Saldanha.
The BBC has issued the following statement:
Our sympathies are very much with Mrs Saldanha’s family. The BBC covered the story along with the rest of the media. We thought carefully about what to use in order to illustrate the breach in security at the hospital. We deliberately selected a brief extract which contained no confidential information. None of us foresaw the tragic consequences of the events that took place.
We’d also like to assure you we've registered your complaint on our audience log. This is an internal report of audience feedback which we compile daily and is available for viewing by all our staff. This includes all news editors and reporters, along with our senior management. It ensures that your points, along with all other comments we receive, are considered across the BBC.
Thanks again for taking the time to contact us.
Kind Regards
BBC Complaints
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2012 17:22:36 GMT
I'm glad you complained, Jean. I have yet to meet anyone who actually heard it in the BBC - not that I'm doubting that they did, but few people tune in all day.
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