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Nov 23, 2012 23:30:21 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2012 23:30:21 GMT
It's just a political thing; the whole sex stuff is trumped up because he embarrassed the US government and that's what it's all about.
The sex charges are an excuse to give the toerags in charge an excuse to lock him up for ever.
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Nov 24, 2012 6:51:46 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2012 6:51:46 GMT
The Assange case confuses me no end. He says he fears extradition, but all the time he was here the US government never tried extradition proceedings and I don't really understand why he thinks they will do this in Sweden,
However it is a bit of a sideline from Mike's original post about rape defendants getting a raw deal. I'd like to know more about why he thinks the law has moved too far in the wrong direction,
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Nov 24, 2012 13:36:07 GMT
Post by toby on Nov 24, 2012 13:36:07 GMT
Toby comments.;- I am 100% sure that Assange was the victim of a set up ! his leaking of all those messages has proven to be very damaging to the USA as well as lifting the veil on some interesting subjects. Sweden will co-operate with the USA because they have a Leftoid government, just like Husseins government. Regarding the main topic which is rape, there is never any excuse for a man to rape a woman. I work in Germany a lot and in that oh-so-modern Country you will find Prostitutes everywhere to service Mens needs. I was told a couple of decades ago by a German guy that brothels are tolerated because Mens needs are catered for, conversely Rapists would get severely dealt with. They still do chemical castration in Germany ! I note that I have mentioned Mens Needs, well folks, Womens ,'needs', are also catered for in Germany, I know at least one place that has a Symbion.
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Nov 24, 2012 14:56:28 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2012 14:56:28 GMT
Never any excuse for a man to rape a woman? Well, like a few people have said, what do you mean by rape?
I know what rape is and I also know it's usually not as straightforward as people try to make out.
The sort of Levi Bellfield situation is not what most rapes are like and of course that's not soemthing I#d defend.
But when you get situations where midway through sex the woman 'changes her mind' it's not quite the same thing IMO.
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Nov 24, 2012 15:05:05 GMT
Post by Synonym on Nov 24, 2012 15:05:05 GMT
I'd agree that there are degrees of rape however what some of Assange's alleged victims have described do describe rape, even if it is towards the 'least worst' end of the spectrum.
Of course whether the allegations are accurate or not is another matter.
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Nov 24, 2012 18:19:02 GMT
Post by toby on Nov 24, 2012 18:19:02 GMT
Toby comments.:- I saw a programme on TV that detailed a rape of 2 young Ladies by a big hulking guy and the amazement expressed when it was revealed both Ladies were still virgin, so folk asked how can that be rape ?? It transpired that penetration had not taken place although the guy did try. In the USA even ,'trying', classes it as rape and to the best of my recollection the guy got a massively long stretch in the slammer.
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Nov 25, 2012 2:24:39 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 25, 2012 2:24:39 GMT
What difference does it make if they were virgin or not?
Rape is rape and non-rape is non-rape.
And attempted rape - like attempted murder - isn't the same thing.
And I'm not happy about the idea that being virgin makes rape either better or worse.
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Nov 25, 2012 20:17:39 GMT
Post by Big Lin on Nov 25, 2012 20:17:39 GMT
Well, I agree that it makes no difference to how bad the rape is whether or not the girl is a virgin.
And I don't think that it's a subject that is suitable for joking about either if it comes to that.
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Nov 28, 2012 1:32:39 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2012 1:32:39 GMT
Speaking as someone who knows what it's like to be raped I have to say that I think you can't try and stick everything under one label.
Stranger rape is obviously bang out of order on every level.
Date rape is more iffy; what happened to me was sort of a date rape.
And I honestly DO think women have a duty to show common sense and responsibility when they're doign stuff that involves sex or at least the possibility of it.
i know if I'#d done that I'd never have been raped.
The trouble is that on the one hand you've got the feminists saying that even consensual sex can be rape and on the other you've got people trying to make out thhat rape is always the woman's fault.
Sometimes I've played devil's advocate and argued both opposing points of view but the truth is I don't believe either one of them.
There IS a difference between a situation where you're drunk, groping and kissing each other and so on and one where you're stone cold sober and you KNOW you DON'T want to have sex.
I just wish people could be a bit more honest about this subject because it upsets me when (for instance) I've been called a gender traitor, a sick bitch and so on just because I WON'T swallow the whole feminist misandy agend.
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Nov 28, 2012 7:16:01 GMT
Post by Deleted on Nov 28, 2012 7:16:01 GMT
Donna, I hear what you say and as I said before, taking that stance can be empowering.
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Dec 3, 2012 9:12:19 GMT
Post by toby on Dec 3, 2012 9:12:19 GMT
donna posted.:-What difference does it make if they were virgin or not?
Toby comments.:- Courts will take notice of a victim who was deflowered during the rape more readily than of a victim who has been around the block a few times. It's human nature.
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Dec 3, 2012 9:14:43 GMT
Post by toby on Dec 3, 2012 9:14:43 GMT
Donna posted.:-Date rape is more iffy; what happened to me was sort of a date rape.
Toby asks.:- Was alcohol involved ?
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Dec 3, 2012 12:30:20 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 12:30:20 GMT
donna posted.:-What difference does it make if they were virgin or not? Toby comments.:- Courts will take notice of a victim who was deflowered during the rape more readily than of a victim who has been around the block a few times. It's human nature. It's just prejudice, Toby. Isn't it funny how 'human nature' is always put forward as an excuse for anything bad but when someone does something good no one says 'you can't change human nauture?' Just hypocrisy and prejudice I reckon.
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Dec 3, 2012 12:31:10 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 12:31:10 GMT
Donna posted.:-Date rape is more iffy; what happened to me was sort of a date rape. Toby asks.:- Was alcohol involved ? Yes, not that it's any of your business.
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Dec 3, 2012 13:51:30 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 13:51:30 GMT
donna posted.:-What difference does it make if they were virgin or not? Toby comments.:- Courts will take notice of a victim who was deflowered during the rape more readily than of a victim who has been around the block a few times. It's human nature. That's one reason why defending counsel are not allowed to ask questions about the accuser's previous sex life. The jury won't know whether the witness is a virgin or had 40 previous sexual partners unless she volunteers the information.
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Dec 3, 2012 13:52:16 GMT
Post by Deleted on Dec 3, 2012 13:52:16 GMT
Donna posted.:-Date rape is more iffy; what happened to me was sort of a date rape. Toby asks.:- Was alcohol involved ? Yes, not that it's any of your business. It wasn't any of his business.
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