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Post by iamjumbo on Dec 21, 2009 0:07:00 GMT
of course, of all the ignorant comments that you have made, that one is the most abjectly stupid. the palestinians have NO right to be anywhere other than jordan. get a grip Oh dear, I appear to have made an error of judgement! But how come a redneck from an Arizonan trailer park knows where the Palestinians belong? Could it be that they actually read Supermarket free magazines given away with six-packs? i usually make it a habit to not engage in a battle of wits with a totally defenseless individual, but i've made an exception in your case, primarily because it's obvious that your retardation is self induced. since you've proven that you are totally devoid of judgement, don't worry. you can't make an error in something that you don't have. you should, however, ask mommy to change your diaper. the shyt has completely filled the space between your ears
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Post by iamjumbo on Dec 21, 2009 0:11:01 GMT
of course, of all the ignorant comments that you have made, that one is the most abjectly stupid. the palestinians have NO right to be anywhere other than jordan. get a grip Where do you get that idea from? You are aware that the Palestinians had lived in peace for thousands of years until the UN flattened their Country and founded Israel on it? wrong lad. the un simply returned the land to those to whom it rightly belonged. of course, then in the sixties and early seventies. the arabs chose to donate the gaza strip, golan heights, and various other pieces of real estate to israel
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Post by Liberator on Dec 21, 2009 0:17:37 GMT
wrong lad. the un simply returned the land to those to whom it rightly belonged. of course, then in the sixties and early seventies. the arabs chose to donate the gaza strip, golan heights, and various other pieces of real estate to israel So Manhattan and the Dakotas go back to the natives do they? They have a more traceable claim than the descendants of converts and people who moved out more than two thousand years ago.
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Post by iamjumbo on Dec 21, 2009 0:31:54 GMT
for sure it is a totally ignorant comment. freedom fighters do not wantonly murder women and children, unlike terrorists who are nothing but cowards That is self serving BS and you know it! Americans have wantonly killed women and children in every conflict they are invovled in. They have sponsored terrorism on one side or the other of every terrorist caimpagn ever undertaken. don't be daft laddie. aside from hiroshima and nagasaki, the americans have NEVER targeted women and children, and those two instances are totally irrelevant anyway. in the case of the islamic garbage, THEY are SOLELY responsible for every woman and child killed by an american bomb. you definitely need to get a grip
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Post by iamjumbo on Dec 21, 2009 0:34:06 GMT
Surely you're not referring to the Palestinians who voted for the terrorist organization Hamas are you. Not those Palestinians. If you lay down with dogs you should expect to get up with fleas. Freedom fighters don't lob rockets into civilian communities out of hatred. Freedom fighters don't send their children into coffee shops and school buses to become, ahem, martyrs or suicide bombers. I'm sure some of the Palestinians are indeed freedom seekers. Those are the ones seeking to establish a dialog with Israel and not the ones supporting Hamas. but, my man, that is REALITY, which is something that it appears that some chaps have no grasp of
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Post by randomvioce on Dec 21, 2009 1:10:30 GMT
Surely you're not referring to the Palestinians who voted for the terrorist organization Hamas are you. Not those Palestinians. If you lay down with dogs you should expect to get up with fleas. Freedom fighters don't lob rockets into civilian communities out of hatred. Freedom fighters don't send their children into coffee shops and school buses to become, ahem, martyrs or suicide bombers. I'm sure some of the Palestinians are indeed freedom seekers. Those are the ones seeking to establish a dialog with Israel and not the ones supporting Hamas. These peole have had their Country stolen from under them. Their houses have been stolen or bulldozed into the ground and an entire State imposed on them without their consent. They have been moved into regugee camps and suffered slaughted by the Irsaeli filth. What would you do in such circumstances?
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Post by randomvioce on Dec 21, 2009 1:14:31 GMT
wrong lad. the un simply returned the land to those to whom it rightly belonged. Rightfully returned? What are you on about? Pallestine belonged to the Pallestinian people. They had lived there for thousansds of years. Do you Americans NEVER read a history book in your entire lives? Why is dumb ignorance cherished by your people? Try and read your history an get a long overdue education!
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Post by randomvioce on Dec 21, 2009 1:19:53 GMT
don't be daft laddie. aside from hiroshima and nagasaki, the americans have NEVER targeted women and children, and those two instances are totally irrelevant anyway. The two biggest acts of terrorism in history. in the case of the islamic garbage, THEY are SOLELY responsible for every woman and child killed by an american bomb. you definitely need to get a grip American terrorists are responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent Muslims using hi tech weaponry. Colours never run! Hah! Murdering people from a bunker using drones and other coward weapons! Vermin.
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Post by Hume on Dec 21, 2009 8:08:25 GMT
Surely you're not referring to the Palestinians who voted for the terrorist organization Hamas are you. Not those Palestinians. If you lay down with dogs you should expect to get up with fleas. Freedom fighters don't lob rockets into civilian communities out of hatred. Freedom fighters don't send their children into coffee shops and school buses to become, ahem, martyrs or suicide bombers. I'm sure some of the Palestinians are indeed freedom seekers. Those are the ones seeking to establish a dialog with Israel and not the ones supporting Hamas. Yes, those are the Palestinians I am referring to, the natural consequence of 6 decades of Israeli land-grabbing, deportations, killings and ethnic cleansing in the name of 'the only [ethnically cleansed] democracy in the Middle East' to home emigre Russians and Americans They are acting just as Americans would act if the state of say, Utah, were 'given' to say Somalis to establish a 'homeland' and armed by China to assist in the ethnic cleansing of that State. It astonishes me that a freedom-loving country like the US just cannot see the gross injustice that is perpetrated on the Palestinians and the legitimacy of their struggle to establish their own homeland without Israeli colonists. Sure the Palestinians have made gross mistakes, committed unforgiveable acts , but that shrinks into insignificance in comparison to the injustice and evil that has been visited upon them by the Israeli State. Trouble is some Americans - many it seems, regard the Arabs as their enemy - just look at the rantings of your red-necked countrymen on this board. In fact the Arabs can be very reasonable and accommodating and it is the arrant stupidity of your rednecks that leads to this impasse where everything Israeli is 'good' and everything Palestinian 'bad'. The US has had some astounding (and glorious) foreign policy successes; the Middle East will undoubtedly go down as the most club-footed, red-necked fiasco of a policy that has led directly to universal hatred of the greatest free nation on earth that has an unaccountable blind spot about abuses of freedom outside its own borders. Sure you have the military capacity to enforce your will on any part of the earth's surface, but Iraq and Israel show that you do not have the capacity or vision to intelligently deal with areas after you have subdued them with your overwhelming force. And I speak as a great admirer of American freedoms.
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Post by iamjumbo on Dec 21, 2009 10:35:45 GMT
wrong lad. the un simply returned the land to those to whom it rightly belonged. of course, then in the sixties and early seventies. the arabs chose to donate the gaza strip, golan heights, and various other pieces of real estate to israel So Manhattan and the Dakotas go back to the natives do they? They have a more traceable claim than the descendants of converts and people who moved out more than two thousand years ago. in that, you are correct. of course, the major difference is that the american indian is civilized enough to coexist with others, which is something that palestinians, and arabs as a whole, have not been
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Post by iamjumbo on Dec 21, 2009 10:38:17 GMT
Surely you're not referring to the Palestinians who voted for the terrorist organization Hamas are you. Not those Palestinians. If you lay down with dogs you should expect to get up with fleas. Freedom fighters don't lob rockets into civilian communities out of hatred. Freedom fighters don't send their children into coffee shops and school buses to become, ahem, martyrs or suicide bombers. I'm sure some of the Palestinians are indeed freedom seekers. Those are the ones seeking to establish a dialog with Israel and not the ones supporting Hamas. These peole have had their Country stolen from under them. Their houses have been stolen or bulldozed into the ground and an entire State imposed on them without their consent. They have been moved into regugee camps and suffered slaughted by the Irsaeli filth. What would you do in such circumstances? if there were an iota of truth there, a case could be made. since there is not a truthful word in your comment, it's obviously irrelevant
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Post by iamjumbo on Dec 21, 2009 10:44:18 GMT
wrong lad. the un simply returned the land to those to whom it rightly belonged. Rightfully returned? What are you on about? Pallestine belonged to the Pallestinian people. They had lived there for thousansds of years. Do you Americans NEVER read a history book in your entire lives? Why is dumb ignorance cherished by your people? Try and read your history an get a long overdue education! yes, you truly do need remedial courses in history, IF you ever had any to begin with. who established jerusalem laddie? end of story
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Post by iamjumbo on Dec 21, 2009 10:53:02 GMT
don't be daft laddie. aside from hiroshima and nagasaki, the americans have NEVER targeted women and children, and those two instances are totally irrelevant anyway. The two biggest acts of terrorism in history. in the case of the islamic garbage, THEY are SOLELY responsible for every woman and child killed by an american bomb. you definitely need to get a grip American terrorists are responsible for the deaths of millions of innocent Muslims using hi tech weaponry. Colours never run! Hah! Murdering people from a bunker using drones and other coward weapons! Vermin. i told you not to be daft. of course, when you choose to go ahead anyway, that's cool too. REALITY clown. MUSLIMS, and muslims alone, are responsible for the deaths of millions of muslims from hi tech weaponry. were the garbage that is the cause of the problem acting like human beings, there would be no need for the u.s. to have to waste bombs on them. cowards hiding behind women's skirts certainly doesn't say much for them, does it. obviously, it is much better to use the drones rather than chance having allied soldiers, who are real people, dying because islamic trash choose to be worthless your demonstrated lack of the ability to reason rationally does not stand you in good stead. the assertion that hiroshima and nagasaki were even close to being terrorist acts is imbecillic on its face
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Post by iamjumbo on Dec 21, 2009 10:56:26 GMT
Surely you're not referring to the Palestinians who voted for the terrorist organization Hamas are you. Not those Palestinians. If you lay down with dogs you should expect to get up with fleas. Freedom fighters don't lob rockets into civilian communities out of hatred. Freedom fighters don't send their children into coffee shops and school buses to become, ahem, martyrs or suicide bombers. I'm sure some of the Palestinians are indeed freedom seekers. Those are the ones seeking to establish a dialog with Israel and not the ones supporting Hamas. Yes, those are the Palestinians I am referring to, the natural consequence of 6 decades of Israeli land-grabbing, deportations, killings and ethnic cleansing in the name of 'the only [ethnically cleansed] democracy in the Middle East' to home emigre Russians and Americans They are acting just as Americans would act if the state of say, Utah, were 'given' to say Somalis to establish a 'homeland' and armed by China to assist in the ethnic cleansing of that State. It astonishes me that a freedom-loving country like the US just cannot see the gross injustice that is perpetrated on the Palestinians and the legitimacy of their struggle to establish their own homeland without Israeli colonists. Sure the Palestinians have made gross mistakes, committed unforgiveable acts , but that shrinks into insignificance in comparison to the injustice and evil that has been visited upon them by the Israeli State. Trouble is some Americans - many it seems, regard the Arabs as their enemy - just look at the rantings of your red-necked countrymen on this board. In fact the Arabs can be very reasonable and accommodating and it is the arrant stupidity of your rednecks that leads to this impasse where everything Israeli is 'good' and everything Palestinian 'bad'. The US has had some astounding (and glorious) foreign policy successes; the Middle East will undoubtedly go down as the most club-footed, red-necked fiasco of a policy that has led directly to universal hatred of the greatest free nation on earth that has an unaccountable blind spot about abuses of freedom outside its own borders. Sure you have the military capacity to enforce your will on any part of the earth's surface, but Iraq and Israel show that you do not have the capacity or vision to intelligently deal with areas after you have subdued them with your overwhelming force. And I speak as a great admirer of American freedoms. REALITY lad. israel has the inalienable RIGHT to be there. everyone else is allowed to be there by israeli sufferance.
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Post by randomvioce on Dec 21, 2009 11:25:55 GMT
yes, you truly do need remedial courses in history, IF you ever had any to begin with. who established jerusalem laddie? end of story Typical religous nut. You are going back to the bible! Look, you come from a backward race, that is fair enough, but try and unsterstand something. Just because you have failed to keep up with history. The Pallastinians have lived there for thousands of years. They were driven of THEIR own land and own houses by an invading army of savages.
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Post by randomvioce on Dec 21, 2009 11:36:01 GMT
the assertion that hiroshima and nagasaki were even close to being terrorist acts is imbecillic on its face That shows just how foolish you are. What other term can be used to describe an attack on a defenceless city with no strategic or military significance? These cities were attacked in order to force the Japanese into surrender, nothing else. Targeting civilians in order to force your opponent into to accept your demands. That is as good a definition as terrorism as I have found anywhere.
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Post by Big Lin on Dec 21, 2009 12:09:08 GMT
the assertion that hiroshima and nagasaki were even close to being terrorist acts is imbecillic on its face That shows just how foolish you are. What other term can be used to describe an attack on a defenceless city with no strategic or military significance? These cities were attacked in order to force the Japanese into surrender, nothing else. Targeting civilians in order to force your opponent into to accept your demands. That is as good a definition as terrorism as I have found anywhere. Anyone would think that the Germans and Japanese hadn't been busily bombing civilians (to say nothing of massacring and enslaving them). If it comes to that, do you seriously think that if either nation had got the atom bomb themselves that they'd have hesitated to use it? Were there millions of Germans and Japanese murdered in cold blood (as there were BY them)? As for Israel, have we forgotten WHY so many people feel as they do about its foundation? Have you forgotten that the Nazis murdered millions of Jews, gypsies, and other 'ethnically inferior' races during the Holocaust/Porajmos?
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Post by Hume on Dec 21, 2009 12:48:16 GMT
As for Israel, have we forgotten WHY so many people feel as they do about its foundation? Have you forgotten that the Nazis murdered millions of Jews, gypsies, and other 'ethnically inferior' races during the Holocaust/Porajmos? Have we forgotten? Silly question, on-one has forgotten. Although there is a lot of truth in your statement that it was largely the holocaust that 'allowed' the Zionists to establish the Jewish State, that is not the whole truth as everyone knows. And it has always puzzled me why one gross crime against the Jews should 'justify' another gross crime against the people that lived in that region before the establishment of Israel. Quite frankly it was a direct result of white racism and the corollary of the powerful white man being accustomed to imposing his own preferences on lesser peoples without bothering to ask those lesser peoples what they wanted that enabled this gross miscarriage of justice upon the poor people of Palestine. And as can be seen freely on this board, it is essentially that self-same racism (Muslim garbage, waste the garbage) that allows support of the intolerable policies of Israel toward the Palestinians today.
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Post by randomvioce on Dec 21, 2009 16:03:51 GMT
Anyone would think that the Germans and Japanese hadn't been busily bombing civilians (to say nothing of massacring and enslaving them). If it comes to that, do you seriously think that if either nation had got the atom bomb themselves that they'd have hesitated to use it? Whoa! You appear to have missed the point. I called the bombings of these cities ‘terrorist attacks’. I made no comment of the justification or the effectiveness of such tactics. A sound strategy may be a ‘terrorist’ atrocity; the two are not mutually exclusive. Some people may suggest that the Japanese may have deserved such action; the Japanese were certainly responsible for acts of cruelty. However, whatever the Japanese did or did not deserve does not diminish the fact that these attacks were acts of ‘terrorism’ by any reasonable definition. To be sure, the bombing were effective at any level we contemplate. They did force the Japanese to surrender and they did demonstrate the power of these weapons to the wider World who were shaping up for the post War environment. It is clear that both cities were targeted for a demonstration of the weapons for effectiveness rather than any military, strategic value. Hiroshima had got through the War relatively unscathed because it had been deliberately left of the target list. The fact that it suffered few attacks, relative to other Japanese cities meant the scale of the damage could be assessed objectively. The fact that it is abutted by mountains meant that the shock wave would amplify as well. Both bombs were detonated differently as part of an experiment to see which was more effective. A successful tactic? Undoubtedly. A deliberate, cold bloodied attack on civilians in order to force your enemy to give in to demands? Yes. What clearer definition of ‘terrorism’ could there be? This is why the term ‘terrorist’ is such a loaded term. We tend to use it when dealing with people we do not agree with using tactics we would happily use ourselves. As Ben Lomond rightly points out, one man’s terrorist is another man’s freedom fighter.
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Post by iamjumbo on Dec 21, 2009 16:49:16 GMT
the assertion that hiroshima and nagasaki were even close to being terrorist acts is imbecillic on its face That shows just how foolish you are. What other term can be used to describe an attack on a defenceless city with no strategic or military significance? These cities were attacked in order to force the Japanese into surrender, nothing else. Targeting civilians in order to force your opponent into to accept your demands. That is as good a definition as terrorism as I have found anywhere. you could possibly make that case IF every man, woman, and child in both cities had not been warned to leave the city. however, since they were, and it was THEIR choice to remain in the city, NO blame can be laid on the u.s.. civilians were NOT targeted, the cities were
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