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Sept 27, 2015 0:57:08 GMT
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 27, 2015 0:57:08 GMT
Hi Big Lin, I'm so glad that I am finally doing something right for a change, in posting on the correct thread. Thanks for pointing that out. I just answer posts without being aware of the title of the thread. I wouldn't otherwise know how to answer. I have never professed to being an expert in that regard. I do try though!!!
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Sept 27, 2015 6:21:05 GMT
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 27, 2015 6:21:05 GMT
The idea of the Majestic 12 has about as much credibility as the “Report from Iron Mountain” that is, no credibility at all. Why do you say that Men an tol? One person believes the information to be credible. And has given a link. What do you have to offer?
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Post by interestedbob on Sept 27, 2015 11:05:27 GMT
"Have you heard of the Majestic 12? And if so. what do you have to say about it?"Of course I have heard of Majestic 12, Scottish Lassie. I spent well over a year on a UFO forum, so heard about it several times. What do I have to say about it? My honest opinion is that it is total fiction, based on a few, possibly forged, documents that are alleged to have been found in the National Archive in the USA. According to WikiPedia - Whether you believe the Majestic 12 claims depends on whether or not you are a UFO believer. UFO believers invariably seem to believe that every word said by any government agency must automatically be completely false, but I don't share that view. I know from personal research that the vast majority of 'UFO' photos and videos that I have seen are at best misidentified, and at worst deliberately tampered with, so I would prefer not to take any evidence from the UFO community as particularly reliable. "What do you say when someone reports a bright light travelling at an excessive speed?"The first thing I say, and have said many times, is, "How far away from the witness was the light?" At night, it is impossible to determine by eye how far away a point of light is, unless an object of known size is being illuminated by the light, to give an idea of scale. If you don't know how far away the light is, you can't possibly know how fast it is travelling. To estimate the speed, you need to know the angular distance it travelled in a given time, and the distance it was from the observer. Without both of those facts, you can't calculate or estimate the speed. That's not an opinion, by the way, it's a fact. In simple terms, an object travelling at a fixed speed will appear to be moving slowly at a long distance from the observer, but it will appear to move quickly at a short distance from the observer, despite the fact that its true speed remains exactly the same. Simply saying that the light was moving 'at an excessive speed' is totally meaningless. This is the kind of inaccurate and misleading reporting that always annoys me, and other people who are genuinely trying to find out what the truth actually is, rather than trying to find evidence to prove their beliefs are true. "What is important is the fact that Alien craft exist and must come from somewhere."That is not a fact, it is a belief, until it is proved by tangible evidence, not by faked or blurry photos or videos. They may exist, but it is not a verifiable fact that they do.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 12:09:11 GMT
The idea of the Majestic 12 has about as much credibility as the “Report from Iron Mountain” that is, no credibility at all. Why do you say that Men an tol? One person believes the information to be credible. And has given a link. What do you have to offer? I would offer much the same as Bob.
There is no proof of its assertions.
Think of proof in this way, proof is what you can take into court as use as fact or it is scientific proof that is repeatable. Belief, supposition, and even conclusions from an individual are not proof.
Many of us (usually when younger) went through a period of Alien/UFO involvement. It was interesting and a little fun and it might ever (so said our young minds) be true. But there has never been proof. There have been some interesting unexplained events but none that I am aware of have ever been proven as alien caused. At sometime we have (or at least should) grow up.
There is much in this old world that is unknown, unexplained, that as we learn more turn out to be natural. Imagining some conclusion without proof helps no one. Just saying, something like I know because I saw it is not proof to others.
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Post by Big Lin on Sept 27, 2015 13:43:58 GMT
I'm going to make a few quick points.
1 I don't believe we are alone in the universe. 2 I think it's possible we've been contacted by extraterrestrials. 3 I think it's highly unlikely that most of the conspiracy theories are true (and in a few cases it's been definitively proven that they're false). 4 I don't believe that there is one single explanation for the UFO phenomenon (I'm going to list the 21 theories in the field that I know - there may well be more that I haven't come across yet) 5 I've met with a number of people in the UFOlogical field and almost all of them disagree among themselves about both particular cases, interpretations of the evidence and even on some basic facts. 6 I don't believe it's a sign of gullibility, naivete or ignorance to believe that extraterrestrial life may well have contacted Earth and may well still be doing so. It's not yet proven but IMO the evidence in favour of it is increasing. 7 I don't believe that the attitude of dogmatic doubt by the likes of Philip Klass is any more helpful than the attitude of gullible belief by the likes of Erich von Daniken.
Now having said all that I'll post the 21 different theories on the UFO phenomenon of which I'm aware (and there may well be others - if so I haven't come across them yet).
Theories about UFOs:
1 the extraterrestrial hypothesis - the dominant paradigm in the media 2 hoaxes - far too readily resorted to as an explanation by sceptics though it's beyond a doubt that many UFO cases have been hoaxes. 3 hallucinations 4 misidentification of natural phenomena - planets, noctilucent clouds, ball lightning, sheet lightning and the activities of certain spiders are often mistaken for UFOs 5 misidentification of man-made objects - aircraft, balloons, satellites and space stations are the most commonly mistaken objects 6 the psychological hypothesis - essentially a Jungian type approach believing that UFOs essentially derive from the collective unconscious 7 the psychic hypothesis - the claim that the UFO phenomenon is psychic in origin 8 the tulpa hypothesis - the idea that UFOs are 'thought forms' created by the mind 9 the plasma hypothesis - Philip Klass' favourite explanation though even he has to admit that his theory involves 'a form of plasma at present uncataloged by science' 10 the electro-magnetic hypothesis - Lafreniere and Persinger have shown a considerable amount of overlap between UFOs and electro-magnetism as has Michael Shallis 11 the secret weapon theory - the idea that UFOs represent secret government projects ultimately deriving from Nazi technology 12 the spirit world hypothesis - the idea that 'aliens' actually come from the spirit world 13 the interdimensional hypothesis - the theory that UFOs come from another dimension 14 the psychic-extraterrestrial hypothesis - the theory that some UFOs are extraterrestrial in origin but also have a considerable psychic component 15 the psycho-physical hypothesis - the theory that UFOs are primarily psychic phenomena but that they appear also to have a physical dimension 16 the physico-psychic hypothesis - the theory that UFOs are primarily physical objects but that they appear to have a psychic dimension 17 the time travel hypothesis - the suggestion that UFOs and aliens come from the past or future 18 the atmospheric animals hypothesis - the theory that they are animals living in the air 19 the underwater civilisation hypothesis - the theory that they are a marine or amphibious lifeform living underwater but capable of appearing on the surface or in the air 20 the hollow earth theory - the idea that UFOs and aliens come from the inside of the earth 21 the ultraterrestrial theory - the idea that somehow the UFO phenomenon is a weird mixture of things with demons, fairies and so on all overlapping and creating illusions
Because we're going away on holiday tomorrow and won't be back till Friday I won't have time to expand on these in detail till the weekend.
But at the very least they show how varied the opinions of researchers in the UFO field are.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 27, 2015 15:19:43 GMT
Not a bad list Big Lin.
As of this time there is no acceptable evidence of the reality of alien craft visiting the earth. there does seem to be (admittedly supposition) that there is some need in at least some people to accept some theory (without real evidence) as being true. And that may be the real question as to why that is part of some people.
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Post by Big Lin on Sept 27, 2015 21:38:30 GMT
I think part of the problem is that there are many diverse lifeforms on earth and many of them have disappeared. There are also clear evidence of anomalous phenomena that can't be explained away.
The Lakenheath/Bentwaters case in 1956 involved three RAF stations, ground radar, aircraft radar, two fighter jets being scrambled and one clearly being pursued by the UFO detected.
Now that may or may not be some kind of secret project rather than an extraterrestrial craft but it was described by the Condon Report as 'the most baffling case in the radar-visual files.' They were able to offer no explanation for it.
I recommend reading at least the three following books (you may well know them already, Menantol).
1 Michael Persinger and Gyslaine Lafreniere - Space-Time Transients and Unusual Events 2 Michael Shallis - The Electric Shock Book 3 Paul Devereus - Earthlights
Now as it happens I don't rule out the possibility of extraterrestrial visitation but I don't rule it in either. I'm keeping an open mind - perhaps especially after Mike and I saw a UFO over a period of about a week in the sky from our back garden.
We think that the explanation we were offered by a member of the Fortean Society when we discussed it with him is probably true - a satellite - but dogmatic doubt is as indefensible as dogmatic belief.
And Klass for instance tries to explain away UFOs by positing 'a form of plasma presently uncataloged by science' which is basically trying to explain anomalous phenomena by proposing an unknown form of energy. And for what it's worth Klass - according to scientists who've examined his theory - doesn't apparently even understand how plasma physics works.
So open mind is the best way - as usual!
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Post by interestedbob on Sept 27, 2015 23:10:14 GMT
An open mind is certainly necessary if the truth about the existence or non existence of extraterrestrial visits is ever going to be found. Simply believing or disbelieving will never get us anywhere. We all, and that includes the believers and disbelievers as well as the sceptics, need to question our own ideas on the subject, rather than try to prove we are right. It would actually be more helpful if we all tried to see if it's possible to prove our own ideas wrong, rather than everybody else's. We should be looking for the truth, not trying to prove our own beliefs.
I have never hidden the fact that I am sceptical about the vast majority of UFO reports. That doesn't mean that I think the witnesses are lying, or imagining what they saw, but they might be mistaken, and yes, I know I could equally be mistaken in thinking that. I don't have any doubt that virtually everyone who reports a sighting genuinely believes that they are giving an honest report, and they are giving an honest report. They could, however, be genuinely mistaken in their interpretation of what they saw. We can all make mistakes, whichever side of the UFO debate we support. As a sceptic, I think the likelihood of extraterrestrial visits is remote, but not impossible. The believers and disbelievers, on the other hand, have fixed opinions, and closed minds, and will not consider the possibility that any opinion but their own could possibly be correct.
Although I don't consider it likely that ETs have visited Earth, I have absolutely no problem believing that other forms of intelligent life exist elsewhere in the Universe, in fact I think it's almost certain that they do. The Universe is so unimaginably vast that it would be almost impossible for life not to have appeared in many more places apart from the Earth, but it's a very long shot that an intelligent race would develop close enough to us in distance and time period for us to be able to meet. They may have been, or may be in the future, close to us in terms of distance, but separated from us by a few million years one way or the other, so one civilisation might exist and die out before the other appears. Alternatively, they might exist in the same time period as us, but at the opposite end of the Universe, far beyond the distance that we could travel across.
Put simply, I believe extraterrestrial life forms exist, but I'm not convinced that they are visiting Earth.
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Post by Big Lin on Sept 27, 2015 23:39:34 GMT
I almost wish I wasn't going away on Monday morning and not due back till Friday afternoon. This is beginning to shape up to be a fascinating discussion.
Lots of ideas of my own but not enough time - never mind. Keep it going, folks!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 2:58:37 GMT
Both of you, Bob and Big Lin have, in my opinion, realistic positions.
That there are things we don't know is obvious, but we are entering an interesting era. The numbers of people around the world are continuing to increase, we are entering space and working in our upper atmosphere more and more. Citizen owned drones are increasing and people are communicating outside of normal channels.
Whatever, is happening (or not) will increasingly come under observation and the likelihood of being recorded is also increasing.
There is no need to latch onto unproven theories. Evidence and its credibility will grow.
While we wait, we have plenty to occupy our minds. New life (on our world) is still being discovered. It looks as if we may be only a short time from real solutions to cancer and alzheimers. It is likely that we'll have probes on the moon again in the near time and humans walking on Mars within 30 years. It is also likely that renewable, nonpolluting energy will be available within 20 years.
Many, many, things are going on that are exciting and will take our interest and we don't have to get into much in the way of maybes.
Of course, we have the really big challenge of whether we can continue to make things better for the average person without going to war, and that is the big if. Sometimes I thing we (humans as a whole) are to dumb to really succeed.
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Sept 28, 2015 16:43:07 GMT
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 28, 2015 16:43:07 GMT
Hi everybody, I can hardly bear to read what you have all been saying. We as a race of human beings are dumb in comparison to the Aliens who are definitely visiting this earth and have been visiting since at least before the Bible was written, because Alien craft are mentioned in the Bible.
I'm really sick of all the scepticism as to whether they exist. There are Aliens whose intelligence surpasses our primitive minds, so why wouldn't they also have advanced technology that enables them to travel anywhere? I really can't believe that you are saying the things that you are uttering. I feel like screaming in frustation, when it is so obvious that Aliens and their advanced craft exist.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 17:03:11 GMT
Hi everybody, I can hardly bear to read what you have all been saying. We as a race of human beings are dumb in comparison to the Aliens who are definitely visiting this earth and have been visiting since at least before the Bible was written, because Alien craft are mentioned in the Bible. I'm really sick of all the scepticism as to whether they exist. There are Aliens whose intelligence surpasses our primitive minds, so why wouldn't they also have advanced technology that enables them to travel anywhere? I really can't believe that you are saying the things that you are uttering. I feel like screaming in frustation, when it is so obvious that Aliens and their advanced craft exist. Well Scottish Lassie, I'm happy for your that you can be so positive on your conclusions. Of course others may want more evidence than supposition and maybes and guessing, etc. As I said, there are things we don't know, there are many, many things we don't know, and while it would be nice, maybe even comforting, to feel that we know the answers, accepting conclusions not based on solid evidence gains nothing for anyone. So keep on with what you have decided are the answers to these unknown things, for me I'll continue to be the skeptic seek actual evidence.
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Sept 29, 2015 0:38:31 GMT
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 29, 2015 0:38:31 GMT
Hi everybody, I can hardly bear to read what you have all been saying. We as a race of human beings are dumb in comparison to the Aliens who are definitely visiting this earth and have been visiting since at least before the Bible was written, because Alien craft are mentioned in the Bible. I'm really sick of all the scepticism as to whether they exist. There are Aliens whose intelligence surpasses our primitive minds, so why wouldn't they also have advanced technology that enables them to travel anywhere? I really can't believe that you are saying the things that you are uttering. I feel like screaming in frustation, when it is so obvious that Aliens and their advanced craft exist. Well Scottish Lassie, I'm happy for your that you can be so positive on your conclusions. Of course others may want more evidence than supposition and maybes and guessing, etc. As I said, there are things we don't know, there are many, many things we don't know, and while it would be nice, maybe even comforting, to feel that we know the answers, accepting conclusions not based on solid evidence gains nothing for anyone. So keep on with what you have decided are the answers to these unknown things, for me I'll continue to be the skeptic seek actual evidence. Thankyou for your understanding Men an tol, but it is beginning to get to me. You are right, my belief is so strong, not just from my own experiences, but because of the experiences of others from a way back in time. Who were the visitors that were given the name angels and is written about in the Bible? They were certainly different from the norm. My intelligence along with my experiences causes me to think the way that I do and a diet of so much scepticism is getting too much for me, that is certainly true. I apologise for my outburst.
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Sept 29, 2015 10:06:48 GMT
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 29, 2015 10:06:48 GMT
Not a bad list Big Lin. As of this time there is no acceptable evidence of the reality of alien craft visiting the earth. there does seem to be (admittedly supposition) that there is some need in at least some people to accept some theory (without real evidence) as being true. And that may be the real question as to why that is part of some people. Hi Men an tol, Most people know that what they are seeing is not the normal technology that prevails, but is something completely different. So if it doesn't come from this earth then it must come from another planet or dimension, and keep in mind we are not necessarily the most intelligent race of people that inhabits the Universe.
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Post by interestedbob on Sept 29, 2015 14:09:23 GMT
Not a bad list Big Lin. As of this time there is no acceptable evidence of the reality of alien craft visiting the earth. there does seem to be (admittedly supposition) that there is some need in at least some people to accept some theory (without real evidence) as being true. And that may be the real question as to why that is part of some people. Hi Men an tol, Most people know that what they are seeing is not the normal technology that prevails, but is something completely different. So if it doesn't come from this earth then it must come from another planet or dimension, and keep in mind we are not necessarily the most intelligent race of people that inhabits the Universe. No, they don't, Scottish Lassie, and that makes the second part of your argument invalid, because it is based on a false assumption. Like all of us, they merely think they know. They see something they don't recognise or understand, and in most cases, rather than try to find a logical explanation, they assume that because they don't recognise it, nobody else can either, so it must be extraterrestrial or supernatural. I know I have mentioned this dozens of times on various forums, but the International Space Station is a classic example of that attitude. There are dozens of reports on websites of 'UFOs' which are obviously misidentifications of the ISS, given the locations, times, dates, direction of travel, angle above the horizon, times of disappearance, and the angle above the horizon at which they disappear. All that information is predicted and published on various sites, and can be verified, so if a 'UFO' sighting occurs which corresponds precisely with the known visibility of the ISS at that location, and the witness doesn't mention seeing the ISS at the same time, then given the fact that the ISS is usually only visible for at most five or six minutes, at exactly the same time that the UFO was claimed to be visible, it's fairly obvious to anyone but an autobeliever that what was seen was indeed the ISS. What happens when a more sceptical person points out that fact? They are shouted down by the believers, who actually, and this is the crazy bit, accuse the sceptics of having closed minds! Somebody who is determined to completely ignore verifiable evidence rather than consider the possibility that they might not be absolutely correct in their beliefs, has the nerve to tell someone openmindedly trying to work out what really happened that they have a closed mind. I'm sick of having to keep saying this, but sceptics have open minds, they are just not easily convinced by claims without a shred of evidence. Believers and nonbelievers both have closed minds, because they have already decided that aliens do or don't exist, and have no intention of changing their minds. Believers expect us to believe that aliens are visiting, with no verifiable evidence, simply because they believe it. Disbelievers expect us to believe that aliens are not visiting, with no verifiable evidence, simply because they believe it. If you think that a diet of so much scepticism is getting too much for you, Scottish Lassie, start backing up your claims with some evidence that can be verified. Claims that are not supported by evidence fall foul of Hitchen’s Dictum. If you're really interested in finding out a bit about UFOs, or want to check if I'm telling the truth about mistaken reports, do what I have done and spend hours and hours on this site, making sure you read all the comments, as well as the reports. Sadly that site is no longer updated, but there should be more than enough reports there to keep you interested for a while. You may even come across yours truly posting as Grumpy Old Bob, and possibly also as Old Bob. If you have seen a mysterious light and would like to check if what you have seen is likely to have been the ISS, or if you want to see for yourself what it looks like if you have never seen it before, visit this site to find out when it will be visible in your location. You will need to enter your location by clicking the Location Lookup button.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 16:42:23 GMT
Nice piece Bob.
More than just narrowing this to UFOs and associated ideas, it is clearly evident that something is going on, but not what many people think is going on. That is, there seems to be an innate attribute in humans to have everything explained, everything understood, to eliminate unknowns. Obviously this is an important and necessary human character trait without which it is unlikely we would have advanced as far as we have.
There is a downside to this human trait, that is, answering that unknown. We can answer it with a known, a learned known, or we can can answer it with a belief. Such a belief might be true or, more likely, it isn't true. For most things there is little harm in accepting the belief, but periodically it can be disastrous and generally it provides a false paradigm that leads to additional beliefs (assumptions) which are also false.
For some people having an answer (even based on belief) may be comforting, but it is not practical, nor safe, not an advancing of human knowledge. For example, if we still believed that the Earth was the center of the Universe, we would never have gotten into space and never have gotten to other planets and moons.
Accepting those beliefs (whatever they may be) puts in a sort of an 'Alice Through the Looking Glass.' Imagining and hypothesizing is a useful tool when dealing with the world, but to use only such things as if they were solidly accepted leads to wrong conclusions, lack of communication, and mistakes.
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Sept 29, 2015 19:32:29 GMT
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 29, 2015 19:32:29 GMT
Hi Men an tol, Most people know that what they are seeing is not the normal technology that prevails, but is something completely different. So if it doesn't come from this earth then it must come from another planet or dimension, and keep in mind we are not necessarily the most intelligent race of people that inhabits the Universe. No, they don't, Scottish Lassie, and that makes the second part of your argument invalid, because it is based on a false assumption. Like all of us, they merely think they know. They see something they don't recognise or understand, and in most cases, rather than try to find a logical explanation, they assume that because they don't recognise it, nobody else can either, so it must be extraterrestrial or supernatural. I know I have mentioned this dozens of times on various forums, but the International Space Station is a classic example of that attitude. There are dozens of reports on websites of 'UFOs' which are obviously misidentifications of the ISS, given the locations, times, dates, direction of travel, angle above the horizon, times of disappearance, and the angle above the horizon at which they disappear. All that information is predicted and published on various sites, and can be verified, so if a 'UFO' sighting occurs which corresponds precisely with the known visibility of the ISS at that location, and the witness doesn't mention seeing the ISS at the same time, then given the fact that the ISS is usually only visible for at most five or six minutes, at exactly the same time that the UFO was claimed to be visible, it's fairly obvious to anyone but an autobeliever that what was seen was indeed the ISS. What happens when a more sceptical person points out that fact? They are shouted down by the believers, who actually, and this is the crazy bit, accuse the sceptics of having closed minds! Somebody who is determined to completely ignore verifiable evidence rather than consider the possibility that they might not be absolutely correct in their beliefs, has the nerve to tell someone openmindedly trying to work out what really happened that they have a closed mind. I'm sick of having to keep saying this, but sceptics have open minds, they are just not easily convinced by claims without a shred of evidence. Believers and nonbelievers both have closed minds, because they have already decided that aliens do or don't exist, and have no intention of changing their minds. Believers expect us to believe that aliens are visiting, with no verifiable evidence, simply because they believe it. Disbelievers expect us to believe that aliens are not visiting, with no verifiable evidence, simply because they believe it. If you think that a diet of so much scepticism is getting too much for you, Scottish Lassie, start backing up your claims with some evidence that can be verified. Claims that are not supported by evidence fall foul of Hitchen’s Dictum. If you're really interested in finding out a bit about UFOs, or want to check if I'm telling the truth about mistaken reports, do what I have done and spend hours and hours on this site, making sure you read all the comments, as well as the reports. Sadly that site is no longer updated, but there should be more than enough reports there to keep you interested for a while. You may even come across yours truly posting as Grumpy Old Bob, and possibly also as Old Bob. If you have seen a mysterious light and would like to check if what you have seen is likely to have been the ISS, or if you want to see for yourself what it looks like if you have never seen it before, visit this site to find out when it will be visible in your location. You will need to enter your location by clicking the Location Lookup button. Hi Interested Bob, I have seen and recognise the ISS. But there is a great difference between that and an object that travels at a vast speed here and there accross the sky, and it is not a shooting star. My brain still functions, so I am still capable of using my reasoning powers, believe it or not.
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Sept 29, 2015 20:17:09 GMT
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 29, 2015 20:17:09 GMT
Nice piece Bob. More than just narrowing this to UFOs and associated ideas, it is clearly evident that something is going on, but not what many people think is going on. That is, there seems to be an innate attribute in humans to have everything explained, everything understood, to eliminate unknowns. Obviously this is an important and necessary human character trait without which it is unlikely we would have advanced as far as we have. There is a downside to this human trait, that is, answering that unknown. We can answer it with a known, a learned known, or we can can answer it with a belief. Such a belief might be true or, more likely, it isn't true. For most things there is little harm in accepting the belief, but periodically it can be disastrous and generally it provides a false paradigm that leads to additional beliefs (assumptions) which are also false. For some people having an answer (even based on belief) may be comforting, but it is not practical, nor safe, not an advancing of human knowledge. For example, if we still believed that the Earth was the center of the Universe, we would never have gotten into space and never have gotten to other planets and moons. Accepting those beliefs (whatever they may be) puts in a sort of an 'Alice Through the Looking Glass.' Imagining and hypothesizing is a useful tool when dealing with the world, but to use only such things as if they were solidly accepted leads to wrong conclusions, lack of communication, and mistakes. Hi Men an tol, I always thought that before something becomes a belief. A process of the reasoning of your experiences comes first, then the belief, after you have decided whether the experience is true or not. I do not lend myself to the premise of 'blind faith'
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Post by interestedbob on Sept 29, 2015 21:19:14 GMT
Who suggested that your brain doesn't function, Scottish Lassie? I certainly didn't, so please don't imply that I did. What specifically are you referring to when you speak of that object? Please describe in detail what you mean. What do you mean by 'vast speed'? How did you estimate the speed? What do you mean by 'here and there across the sky'? Vague descriptions like that are typical of many UFO reports, and they are effectively useless without more accurate details of precisely what was seen. This is half the reason that UFO reports don't get taken seriously by people outside the UFO community. Where and when was the object seen, and by how many people? How high did it appear to be, and how far away? How fast did it appear to be travelling, compared to, for example, a jet aircraft at a similar distance? Was it showing lights, and if so what colour(s)? Was there any sound? How long was it visible for? Were you able to take a photograph or video? This is the kind of basic information that is needed for a report to make any real sense. I can think of at least one perfectly logical explanation for an object that appears to travel at vast speed and is capable of rapidly changing direction backwards and forwards across the sky, all in perfect silence. Please give me a detailed description of your object, and then we'll see if my explanation might fit. Edit: In fact I can think of at least two possible explanations.
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Sept 30, 2015 1:47:53 GMT
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Sept 30, 2015 1:47:53 GMT
Who suggested that your brain doesn't function, Scottish Lassie? I certainly didn't, so please don't imply that I did. What specifically are you referring to when you speak of that object? Please describe in detail what you mean. What do you mean by 'vast speed'? How did you estimate the speed? What do you mean by 'here and there across the sky'? Vague descriptions like that are typical of many UFO reports, and they are effectively useless without more accurate details of precisely what was seen. This is half the reason that UFO reports don't get taken seriously by people outside the UFO community. Where and when was the object seen, and by how many people? How high did it appear to be, and how far away? How fast did it appear to be travelling, compared to, for example, a jet aircraft at a similar distance? Was it showing lights, and if so what colour(s)? Was there any sound? How long was it visible for? Were you able to take a photograph or video? This is the kind of basic information that is needed for a report to make any real sense. I can think of at least one perfectly logical explanation for an object that appears to travel at vast speed and is capable of rapidly changing direction backwards and forwards across the sky, all in perfect silence. Please give me a detailed description of your object, and then we'll see if my explanation might fit. Edit: In fact I can think of at least two possible explanations. By Golly Interested Bob, You dig too deep for me!!! We all recognise a shooting star so the object is not that. To my reasoning, it is a round solid object such as a Flying Saucer and is flying faster than any known plane, perhaps stopping for a while and then heading off in another directon. That can only be a flying craft of some kind and definitely not a mirage or vapour either as Big Lin suggested.. I think you are toying with me IB. I know what I saw and it was definitely a typical Alien Craft, my reasoning power tells me so, and I won't think otherwise.
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