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Post by Deleted on Jul 23, 2009 13:07:42 GMT
A schoolboy faces custody after his conviction for racially harassing a fellow pupil. |But the case has sparked controversy - should the school have dealt with it internally? The 15-year-old boy, who cannot be named, caused a 14-year-old classmate to attempt suicide by repeatedly calling her "wog, coon, black person, gorilla and golliwog" for six months.
Lincoln magistrates, who convicted the boy of racially aggravated harassment, heard that the girl took a mixture of pills and wrote a goodbye note to her family. The behaviour of the boy, who had no previous convictions, was condemned as "merciless" last night by anti-racism campaigners.
However, his conviction - the first for the crime over an incident in a school - prompted questions over whether such bullying should be dealt with through criminal law.
David Green, the director of Civitas, the right-leaning think-tank, said that while the boy's behaviour should be condemned, "the law does not belong in the schoolyard in these cases".
"We are not talking stabbings or serious assault here," Dr Green said. "This should be a matter for the school and the children's parents."
Josie Appleton, the director of the anti-regulation think-tank the Manifesto Club, which will publish a paper on schools' obligations over racist incidents this autumn, added: "This should be dealt with in the school.
"Criminalising it undermines the authority of schools. Teachers have to be able to set a moral example." full story
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Post by randomvioce on Jul 23, 2009 14:08:28 GMT
A schoolboy faces custody after his conviction for racially harassing a fellow pupil. |But the case has sparked controversy - should the school have dealt with it internally? The school made no attempt to tackle bullying so the police were invovled. Feral youth need stopped in their tracks. Far better this scumbag was locked away than allowed out in the streets.
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Jul 23, 2009 21:43:32 GMT
One law for all.
I don't hear about police involvement when white kids are bullied and commit suicide.
AH
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Post by randomvioce on Jul 23, 2009 22:04:11 GMT
One law for all. I don't hear about police involvement when white kids are bullied and commit suicide. AH Have you any evidence that type of ting occured? If so, I think we should see a conviction Alpha. This is a landmark case, I hope to see more convictions soon. The little scrote got off lightly in my book.
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Post by Big Lin on Jul 23, 2009 22:06:40 GMT
I had a lot of this sort of stuff when I was at school - 'dirty gypsy,' 'gypsy trash,' that sort of thing.
I usually found a quick kick in the balls and a few swift left hooks brought the toerags to their senses.
I'm a great believer that the ONLY way to stop bullying is to stand up to the twats.
After all, when did you ever see a bully pick on someone he thought he might lose to?
They're just a bunch of batty boys at heart!
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Jul 23, 2009 22:23:18 GMT
One law for all. I don't hear about police involvement when white kids are bullied and commit suicide. AH Have you any evidence that type of ting occured? If so, I think we should see a conviction Alpha. This is a landmark case, I hope to see more convictions soon. The little scrote got off lightly in my book. Any convictions in this case will be for racism, not for bullying. The white kid who kills himself because he is bullied by whites will have no such protection from the law (or the black kid taunted by other blacks) etc. These race laws are devisive and place certain victims lives above other victims lives...that is wrongAH
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Jul 23, 2009 22:32:07 GMT
I had a lot of this sort of stuff when I was at school - 'dirty gypsy,' 'gypsy trash,' that sort of thing. I usually found a quick kick in the balls and a few swift left hooks brought the toerags to their senses. I'm a great believer that the ONLY way to stop bullying is to stand up to the twats. After all, when did you ever see a bully pick on someone he thought he might lose to? They're just a bunch of batty boys at heart! Some kids just aren't wired like that Lin, nobody ever bullied me, because they knew I was a vindictive little bastard who would've got revenge on them one way or another, regardless of who tried it on...some kids are just natural victims though....we all knew kids at school who were weak, a bit effeminate, the sort who just didn't have the physical or mental capability to effectively fight back. AH
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Post by randomvioce on Jul 24, 2009 0:29:14 GMT
The white kid who kills himself because he is bullied by whites will have no such protection from the law (or the black kid taunted by other blacks) etc. Race was a factor in this case but the aggrivated harrasment is a crime in itself. The precient has been sent and anyone found guilty of simaliar behaviour can expect to be charged.
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Post by Liberator on Jul 24, 2009 0:54:25 GMT
The way to stop bullying is for the school to stop colluding with it. It may be true in some cases that the bully has their own problems. Then those need to be addressed. For a school to pass the buck up to the police is technically correct, but it is only shirking their own responsibility to deal with it before it reaches such proportions. If a girl is so unstable that a vicious remark causes her to kill herself, then the school has failed to recognise her screwiness. If she has been subjected to constant abuse until she kills herself, then the school has failed to deal with the abuse going on.
I find it very unlikely that this girl killed herself just because one moron called her names (unless she had a crush on him). More likely, he was a ringleader or least able to conceal a generic prejudice that the school should have nipped in the bud, not allowed to get far enough to kill her. Had they done so, this scumbag might also have never become bad enough to warrant police attention. It is all an exercise in pass the parcel before the music stops.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 24, 2009 4:57:22 GMT
Wrong Retarsed. The girl attempted suicide. I hope she didn't seriously harm herself!
The taunter came out of this football/socceer scene and for some reason they do binge drinking and then do hostile stuff instead of relaxing, like the fans of other sports do. He'll be sentenced on August 13.www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1201392/School-bully-drove-girl-14-brink-suicide-racist-taunts-convicted-landmark-case.html QUOTE: A teenage BNP supporter who drove a classmate to the brink of suicide has been convicted of racial harassment in a landmark legal case The youth, 15, subjected his female victim to months of racist abuse, on one occasion telling her: 'Go back to your own country, you don't belong here.' A court heard the 14-year-old girl - who had already moved schools once to avoid racist abuse - was also called 'wog, c**n, n****r, gorilla and golliwog' by her tormentor. He taunted her with chants of 'white, white, white is right, kick them out, fight, fight, fight' - taken from a film about football hooliganism. But the girl feared reporting the abuse would make him become violent and instead suffered in silence, the court was told. The victim, who has mixed white English and black African heritage, endured the abuse for four months before she attempted suicide in January this year. A source close to the case said the teenager, who, like his victim, cannot be named for legal reasons, was a BNP supporter who had actively tried to enlist other youths. Raymond Wildsmith, prosecuting, told Lincoln Youth Court the insults happened 'again and again and again' - anything up to four times a week. But the girl only revealed her torment after she tried to kill herself. She took a mixture of stress pills and painkillers in January before writing a note telling her family that she did not want a 'sad funeral'. Giving evidence by video link, the girl told a police officer the abuse made her 'want to die'. She added: 'I wanted to die because of everything that was happening at school. 'I thought, "Do I want to do this?" And then I thought, "Yes, I don't want to be here". Last night, her mother described her daughter's tormentor as 'evil'. She said: 'He seemed to mimic everything his father did and became a ringleader of a violent set of boys at the school.' She told how her daughter left a suicide note requesting that nobody wore black at her funeral. She said: 'My world fell apart. I had no idea that there was anything wrong with her. At home she put on a brave face and seemed totally normal.' The teenager was hospitalised and then sectioned in a psychiatric hospital for several weeks. She has been out of school virtually ever since but is due to start at a new school in a different part of the country in September. The mother reported the girl's ordeal to the school and police, but said she had a 'long hard fight to get justice for my daughter'. She added: 'When I first informed the school, they as good as called me a liar. I then had a long battle convincing the police to take this seriously. 'They were desperately slow and interviewed 25 people before they seemed to appreciate the seriousness of it.' The court was told that the girl had only been in the Lincoln area for a year before the abuse started. Her 15-year-old tormentor, who denied the charge, was convicted of racially aggravated harassment. He will be sentenced on August 13. A second 15-year-old was cleared of the same charge. The Crown Prosecution Service confirmed it was the first successful prosecution of a schoolchild for racial abuse in the UK. Jaswant Narwal, Chief Crown Prosecutor for Lincolnshire said: 'We would like to thank the victim for her courage in coming forward and strongly encourage other young people in the same situation to report to the police when they have been targets of campaign of racial bullying.' Read more: www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1201392/School-bully-drove-girl-14-brink-suicide-racist-taunts-convicted-landmark-case.html#ixzz0M9MQ1hQL
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Post by Deleted on Jul 24, 2009 5:56:20 GMT
Alpha has a point when he says we don't hear about police involvement when white kids are bullied by other white kids. To the victim, it doesn't really matter whether they are being picked on because they are fat, or talk with a lisp or walk with a limp. I know of children who have been bullied because of a disability; in one case the girl's parents took out a civil injunction against the school after discovering that pushing her down the stairs had become a cult game among a group of other girls.
Race hate is taken more seriously because of its wide and serious social implications. They wouldn't want to take every case of bullying on board; the school needs to tackle the problem.
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Post by randomvioce on Jul 24, 2009 10:42:44 GMT
To the victim, it doesn't really matter whether they are being picked on because they are fat, or talk with a lisp or walk with a limp. I agree and when it gets even close to this level the police should step in and get the scumbags out of society as soon as possible. To be honest, reading between the lines, this is one of the feral youth we have heard so much about. I would lock him up and throw away the key.
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Post by mouse on Jul 24, 2009 13:55:01 GMT
Have you any evidence that type of ting occured? If so, I think we should see a conviction Alpha. This is a landmark case, I hope to see more convictions soon. The little scrote got off lightly in my book. Any convictions in this case will be for racism, not for bullying. The white kid who kills himself because he is bullied by whites will have no such protection from the law (or the black kid taunted by other blacks) etc. These race laws are devisive and place certain victims lives above other victims lives...that is wrongAH do you remember the case where the white lad was set on by asians who used a hammer on him and shouted racist taunts the school and the police denied it was a racist crime...and i understand it was taken to court ONLY on the parents of the victims insistence...and even then was treated as gbh...even when there were multiple witneses who said it was based entirely on race [the perpetrators were found guilty....but the reluctance of the school and police to take action was a disgrace about two years ago alpha it was discussed on jsg
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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 24, 2009 20:07:42 GMT
And remember the cases where white victims of black or Asian violence have received justice through the courts with a recognition that the attacks on them were racially assaulted . . .
It's not just a one-way street.
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Post by Big Lin on Jul 24, 2009 20:25:39 GMT
Actually there have been quite a few cases in London where white victims of Asian racist abuse and violence HAVE won their cases and the perps WERE punished for their crimes.
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Post by Liberator on Jul 24, 2009 22:44:31 GMT
All the same, what was the school doing (or rather ignoring) not to notice what was going on and to allow this kind of ugliness to develop under its control? It is not just reading and writing that schools are supposed to be teaching. Or is 'civilisation' too close to 'social engineering' these days?
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Post by beth on Jul 24, 2009 23:07:32 GMT
So where do the parents come in? I have to seriously wonder, if the little bully-brat is under age, why the parents shouldn't bear some of the responsibility.
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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 24, 2009 23:47:42 GMT
So where do the parents come in? I have to seriously wonder, if the little bully-brat is under age, why the parents shouldn't bear some of the responsibility. Because parents should be held responsible for every single action and word of a child up until the age of majority? Pullleeeze.
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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 24, 2009 23:50:07 GMT
Actually there have been quite a few cases in London where white victims of Asian racist abuse and violence HAVE won their cases and the perps WERE punished for their crimes. You're making the same point as me.
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Post by Liberator on Jul 25, 2009 2:44:29 GMT
So where do the parents come in? I have to seriously wonder, if the little bully-brat is under age, why the parents shouldn't bear some of the responsibility. Because parents should be held responsible for every single action and word of a child up until the age of majority? Pullleeeze. You have a legal point there even if you don't know it. In most European countries, a school's mandate is to provide education and parents are responsible for the child. So if the school cannot handle the child, they kick it out and if no other school will accept it, the parents are responsible for their anti-social progeny. I don't know about here, but the UK position is that the school takes parental responsibility over while the child is with it, probably something to do with old boarding school arrangements. That means that you cannot just blame the parents. They may be 'to blame' of course, but the law says that a school stands In Loco Parentis, that is, when push comes to shove, takes precedence over the parents for keeping control and 'socialising' their charges to be decent human beings. Anything that relates to interactions in the school should come under that legal recognition, that while the child is there, the school has responsibility of a parent. So the school should have addressed this long before it got so heavy, and at the same time, should have been quick to invoke the law (perhaps through an injunction) if its initial warnings were ignored. We have something a bit like this at 'work'. Somebody has been going slowly crazy who no longer works there. It is very sad, but she is dying of Hodgkin's Lymphoma, the first cancer to be treatable. She has interrupted and caused trouble and the higher-up has told her and she ignored it. She has caused trouble off-work with her ex-boss so he called the police. The Capo di capi (or is that Capiti?) should have slapped a legal injunction on her from the start, so it's a civil requirement to keep away, and criminal if she does not.
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