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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 3, 2012 10:43:40 GMT
skylark posted.:-They released him, it seems, because they were unable to refute his claim that he acted in what he believed was self defence, under a law that is now coming under fire. Toby comments.:- The quaintly named "Trayvon" was quite a bit taller than Mr. Zimmermann (who incidentally is Jewish and therefore not white !) Zimmermann was found to have a broken nose as a result of Trayvons attack so it does seem he was entitled to used his gun to protect himself. If I were to wear a Hoodie at night then I would be bloody stupid indeed, I don't !! but that is because I don't want to look like lowlife, and I don't want to put any fear into law abiding citizens. martin didn't have the hood up until he noticed that zimmerman was stalking him
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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 3, 2012 10:47:19 GMT
Martin may have been taller, but Zimmerman was a lot heavier. . Apparently at least one police officer wanted to charge Zimmerman but was over-ruled: www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/9170588/Trayvon-Martin-murder-detective-wanted-to-charge-George-Zimmerman.htmlThat is a great pity for everyone, including Zimmerman if he was really innocent: had he been cleared by a jury he would not now be hiding out in fear. From what I've read, the law of self defence in Texas states that someone is entitled to stand their ground and shoot if they think their life is at risk. This would seem to lead to the following silly situation: Man A sees Man B behaving in what he thinks is a supicious manner. Man A follows Man B. Man B sees he is being followed, but doesn't know why. Man A realises that Man B has seen him. Each is now frightened that the other is either a mad gunman or - worse - that the other will think he is a mad gunman . There is only one thing for it - to shoot first. Only in this case Martin didn't have a gun. What is more, if Zimmerman was jumped on by the lad as described, he must have realised this. Is it true that Martin was shot in the back of the head? That really doesn't look good. your scenario has nothing to do with the castle doctrine or stand your ground. following someone does NOT fall under either law. a neighborhood watch is not even a security guard. their job is to observe and report. their job is NOT to engage anyone
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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 3, 2012 10:49:25 GMT
It is sad that an unarmed teenager's life was lost over this incident. I think the police are doing the right thing by carefully investigating and considering the evidence. A rush to judgement would be inappropriate. I am irritated by the two prominent race-baiters, Jesse Jackson, and Al Sharpton. It seems that those two almost always rush to the scene whenever there is an issue involving blacks and whites. They act as if this is a sporting event and they're the two on-camera cheerleaders for the black team. They're always around pouring gasoline on the fire when something like this happens. They have successfully stirred up the black community, with a big assist from our liberal mainstream media. Zimmerman needs to go into hiding and don't know that he'll be able to get a fair trial (if he is arrested) given all the biased negative publicity. it's been a long time since these two racists were at jena. this is the first opportunity they've had to spout their racism
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Apr 3, 2012 12:29:28 GMT
This image is the photograph the late Trayvon Martin used to represent his Twitter identity in late 2011, under the screen name "T33ZY_TAUGHT_M3." Although the Twitter account was deleted, The Daily Caller retrieved it from the social analytics website PeopleBrowsr. The upper-arm tattoo in the image matches one in a close-up photograph on Martin's MySpace page. (Image: Twitter) Read more: dailycaller.com/2012/03/29/second-trayvon-martin-twitter-feed-identified/#ixzz1qnQeq08kThe photo Martin chose to represent himself on Twitter as “T33ZY_TAUGHT_M3″ depicts him in a black Polo cap, looking into the camera and extending his middle finger. The photo’s file name on Twitter’s server indicates that it was taken on the afternoon of June 17, 2010. I'd sure keep my distance from someone like this if he was walking down the street. He's obviously full of agression, if that's how he greets people on Twitter!
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Post by sadie1263 on Apr 3, 2012 15:04:30 GMT
Yes...the media has done wonders to tilt the whole story into the direction they want.
It's a bad deal all the way around. There were only the two of them there and one can't talk. Don't think we will know what exactly happened ever.
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Post by sadie1263 on Apr 3, 2012 20:22:53 GMT
Well...saw a news story today where they have enhanced the video taken after the incident and it DOES show injuries to the back of his head.......They slam him and everyone else for days....and then turn out to be wrong.......but I did notice only ONE site had the story....where ALL of them ran the story that there was no injuries shown......
Bias much?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2012 20:46:07 GMT
You know more about US law than I do, but I understand that the fact someone started an argument does not debar him from successfully pleading self defence if he is physically attacked. I'd have thought the same applies here?
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Apr 3, 2012 22:25:43 GMT
Well...saw a news story today where they have enhanced the video taken after the incident and it DOES show injuries to the back of his head.......They slam him and everyone else for days....and then turn out to be wrong.......but I did notice only ONE site had the story....where ALL of them ran the story that there was no injuries shown...... Bias much? Quite right Sadie! I'm certain that the video will be further enhanced too!The enhanced video clearly shows gashs or welts on the back of Mr. Zimmerman's head! Police reports confirm he was bleeding from his nose and the back of his head!
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Apr 4, 2012 0:32:03 GMT
It's quite obvious that George Zimmerman was injured on the back of the head. I believe his claim that Trayvon Martin was slamming his head on the pavement! I'd be screaming too, if that was done to me!
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 7:27:42 GMT
Is anyone disputing there was a fight? I thought there was a witness who saw it - though not how it started.
It will be interesting to learn whether Martin has any marks on him caused before the gun was fired. Some of the reports say Zimmerman was standing over Martin before he shot him - how did he get him on the ground if Martin was the tough guy? Once you have someone on the floor with a gun pointing at him you have all the power. There is no need to fire.
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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 4, 2012 12:21:39 GMT
You know more about US law than I do, but I understand that the fact someone started an argument does not debar him from successfully pleading self defence if he is physically attacked. I'd have thought the same applies here? he can claim self defense, although even that is a rough row to hoe. what he can't claim is a defense based on the stand your ground law. the fact that he was NOT standing his ground, but following martin, totally negates that. the problem is that zimmerman instigated the events. martin was not doing anything but walking home. zimmerman reported him to the cops. there was NO legitimate reason to be following him. there was even less of a reason to ever say a word to him. had zimmerman minded his own business, martin would not have had to defend himself, and there would have been NO cause for zimmerman to shoot him. the fact is, zimmerman followed martin, who was walking down the street to his father's, talking to his girlfriend on the cellphone. martin noticed zimmerman stalking him, told his girlfriend, and pulled the hood over his head. zimmerman obviously approached him, obviously in a hostile manner. he probably told martin to stop, martin didn't, and zimmerman grabbed his arm. martin proceeded to defend himself, and zimmerman shot him because he was getting his azz kicked. the cop that interviewed zimmerman for five hours did not believe anything he said, and filed an affadavit saying so
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2012 13:05:20 GMT
Zimmerman is claiming that he was walking back to his vehicle when he was attacked. He may have been following Martin, but if he really was in retreat at the time of the actual encounter, he would have a defence, surely?
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Post by sadie1263 on Apr 4, 2012 13:42:10 GMT
I hate the media.........think they should be held accountable for trying to start race riots!! ******************************** NBC News issued an apology Tuesday for the way it handled the broadcasting of the 911 conversation between George Zimmerman and a police dispatcher in the Trayvon Martin case. Following reports that NBC aired audio of the call was edited in a way that implied Zimmerman was racist, the network launched an internal investigation. "During our investigation it became evident that there was an error made in the production process that we deeply regret. We will be taking the necessary steps to prevent this from happening in the future and apologize to our viewers," the network said in a statement cited by The Washington Post. Zimmerman, a volunteer neighborhood watch leader, admits shooting and killing Martin one night in February, but he has said the shooting was in self-defense and justified under the state's "Stand Your Ground" law. He also said Martin attacked him, but that and other details of the case remain in question, as authorities continue to investigate whether to charge Zimmerman. NBC's "Today" show ran the edited audio of Zimmerman's phone call to a police dispatcher, seeming to show Zimmerman saying, "This guy looks like he's up to no good … he looks black." A transcript of the complete 911 call shows that Zimmerman said, "This guy looks like he's up to no good. Or he's on drugs or something. It's raining and he's just walking around, looking about." The 911 officer responded saying, "OK, and this guy — is he black, white or Hispanic?" "He looks black," Zimmerman said. The abridged conversation between Zimmerman and the dispatcher that NBC ran on March 27 has been blasted by media watchdog groups as misleading. Critics have said the edited version was made to suggest that Zimmerman targeted Martin because he was black -- an accusation by many that is still under investigation. The Associated Press contributed to this report. Read more: www.foxnews.com/us/2012/04/03/nbc..../#ixzz1r1nNO2Z3
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Post by sadie1263 on Apr 4, 2012 13:43:24 GMT
And again.......how many stations ran the "edited" 911 call......and how many are running this story???
And explain to me how they made an "error in production" on this.......it was on purpose.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Apr 4, 2012 17:04:21 GMT
Zimmerman is claiming that he was walking back to his vehicle when he was attacked. He may have been following Martin, but if he really was in retreat at the time of the actual encounter, he would have a defence, surely? If Trayvon greets total strangers at Twitter, who have never done anything to him, with the image above imagine how he'd greet a stranger, who had been following him.
Trayvon angered at being followed perhaps turned around and started approaching Mr. Zimmerman and Zimmerman started retreating towards his SUV! But Martin angered at having been followed kept following Mr. Zimmerman and asked Zimmerman "Why are you following me?" and physically attacked him. Angry people often skip grammatical finesses like "Why have you been following me?"
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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 4, 2012 17:15:51 GMT
Zimmerman is claiming that he was walking back to his vehicle when he was attacked. He may have been following Martin, but if he really was in retreat at the time of the actual encounter, he would have a defence, surely? if that is what occured, yes. his problem is that is NOT what happened
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Apr 4, 2012 17:20:11 GMT
Zimmerman is claiming that he was walking back to his vehicle when he was attacked. He may have been following Martin, but if he really was in retreat at the time of the actual encounter, he would have a defence, surely? if that is what occured, yes. his problem is that is NOT what happened You can't disprove this scenario! I think it's very likely.
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Post by sadie1263 on Apr 4, 2012 18:24:08 GMT
The problem is only two people really know what happened.....and one is dead. So how you can "prove" anything is going to be a problem.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Apr 4, 2012 18:36:08 GMT
The problem is only two people really know what happened.....and one is dead. So how you can "prove" anything is going to be a problem. Very true Sadie! In the US it's innocent until proven guilty!! If the scenario exonerating Mr. Zimmerman, which I presented to open this thread is just as plausible as the scenario you present then Mr. Zimmerman should not be arrested!
A careful, unbiased, unprejudiced investigation is what's needed and not a bunch of rabble rousers and mobs trying to get the "honky tonk cracker" arrested!
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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 4, 2012 20:41:41 GMT
if that is what occured, yes. his problem is that is NOT what happened You can't disprove this scenario! I think it's very likely. sure i can. the more probable scenario, particularly given what zimmerman told the dispatcher, is that he pulled up to martin and started questioning him. martin probably told him to f..k off. zimmerman got out of his car. martin kept walking away. zimmerman grabbed him. in self defense, martin began kicking the boy's azz, and zimmerman shot him. THAT is the 99 44/100% probable scenario
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