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Post by sadie1263 on Jan 4, 2012 23:20:47 GMT
The original finding by two court-appointed psychiatrists has been fiercely debated by mental health experts and several lawyers representing the victims of the massacre. Families of the victims have demanded the Oslo District Court order a second evaluation. Breivik has confessed to the murder of 77 people in July. In November he was declared insane. However, despite the psychiatrists views, prosecutor Svein Holden in a letter to the court said he would not seek another evaluation. Breivik has recently been given access to media in prison and could try to manipulate new experts in ways that would be favourable to him, he said. Prosecutors say they would rather let experts testify at the forthcoming trial. Breivik, 32, has confessed to setting off a bomb that ripped through Oslo's government district on July 22, killing eight people, then opening fire at the summer camp of the governing Labor Party's youth wing, killing another sixty-nine. The Nov 29 finding by two psychiatrists said Breivik was insane during the bomb-and-shooting rampage. In that report, the psychiatrists, who spent 36 hours talking to Breivik, described him as a man living in a "delusional universe" – a paranoid schizophrenic who had lost touch with reality. However, in his letter to the court, Mr Holden says four psychiatrists at Ila prison in Oslo, where Breivik is held in pretrial detention, informed him they have not observed any signs that he is psychotic. www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/norway/8993195/Norway-killer-Anders-Behring-Breivik-is-not-psychotic.html
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jan 5, 2012 2:10:24 GMT
Of course in liberal Norway's system he will only get 21 years of prison, if he's declared legally sane. Calling him insane is the only way to lock him away longer.www.google.com/hostednews/ukpress/article/ALeqM5iuBLRtXAYN3F90P9a2tsYLKL8a_A?docId=N0795271325704292990A QUOTE: Mass killer Breivik 'not psychotic'Prison psychiatrists monitoring Norwegian mass killer Anders Breivik say he is not psychotic and he has not been put on medication, a prosecutor has said. The claims made in a court document have added fuel to calls to reassess whether he is legally insane. The original finding by two court-appointed psychiatrists has been fiercely debated by mental health experts. Several lawyers representing the victims of the massacre that rocked Norway over the summer have demanded the Oslo District Court order a second evaluation. But on Wednesday prosecutor Svein Holden said in a letter to the court that despite the new information he would not seek another evaluation. Breivik has recently been given access to media in prison and could try to manipulate new experts in ways that would be favourable to him, he said. Prosecutors say they would rather let experts testify at the forthcoming trial. Breivik, 32, has confessed to setting off a bomb that ripped through Oslo's government district on July 22, killing eight people, then opening fire at the summer camp of the governing Labour Party's youth wing, killing another 69. The November 29 finding by two psychiatrists said Breivik was insane during the bomb-and-shooting rampage. In that report, the psychiatrists, who spent 36 hours talking to Breivik, described him as a man living in a "delusional universe" - a paranoid schizophrenic who had lost touch with reality. However, in his letter to the court, Mr Holden says four psychiatrists at Ila prison in Oslo, where Breivik is held in pre-trial detention, informed him they have not observed any signs that he is psychotic. The prison has not started medication of Breivik or seen any need to move him to another facility, Mr Holden added. The deadline for parties to file their demands is on Friday and the court will decide some time next week whether a new evaluation should be made, said court spokesman Geir Engebretsen. The trial is set to begin on April 16. If declared mentally fit and convicted of terrorism, Breivik would face up to 21 years in prison or an alternative custody arrangement that could keep him behind bars indefinitely. If the courts declare him insane, he would be given three-year terms of psychiatric care that can be extended for as long as necessary.
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Post by sadie1263 on Jan 5, 2012 4:39:30 GMT
Wow.....I didn't realize the max he could get was 21 years!!! That is scary!
Do you think that is why they are pushing for insanity?
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Post by toby on Jan 5, 2012 10:54:50 GMT
Toby comments.:- Breivik was so pissed off with the mass immigration that he decided to so something about it and to his credit, he did not go after the immigrants themselves for after all, they are only pawns in the game, he went after those people who facilitated the mass immigration, and their Families.
The Camp was full of young Socialists who were being groomed to be the new Leaders / Movers / Shakers of Norway.
The statistics on Norwegian Immigration are frightening, four and a half Million indiginous Norwegians had a half Million (and rising) immigrants foisted upon them, their entire way of life is threatened. What really angered Breivik was that the government never consulted the Norwegian people, they just implemented their immigration policy. It is a well known fact, immigrants tend to vote Socialist, so the Norwegian Socialist Lobby probably thought that there bread was buttered forever.
Breivik sure changed that !
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Post by toby on Jan 5, 2012 10:56:50 GMT
Sadie posted.:-Wow.....I didn't realize the max he could get was 21 years!!! That is scary!
Do you think that is why they are pushing for insanity?
Toby comments.:- They want him silenced !
The Leftoid Governments are deathly afraid of somebody emulating Breivik, I reckon that sooner or later somebody else will show up and do something similar.
Breivik is being held in Solitary Confirement. Has anybody seen the squeals of protest from the usual suspects, the Human Rights Lawyers shouting for justice, the Guardian writing articles regarding cruel treatment ?
No, I thought not !
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Post by lakshmi on Jan 5, 2012 11:40:36 GMT
Wow.....I didn't realize the max he could get was 21 years!!! That is scary! Do you think that is why they are pushing for insanity? Ya its scary. Norway has small murder rate compare to america and uk i think but such as he will do it again if its possible.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 5, 2012 14:43:02 GMT
Toby comments.:- Breivik was so pissed off with the mass immigration that he decided to so something about it and to his credit, he did not go after the immigrants themselves for after all, they are only pawns in the game, he went after those people who facilitated the mass immigration, and their Families. The Camp was full of young Socialists who were being groomed to be the new Leaders / Movers / Shakers of Norway. The statistics on Norwegian Immigration are frightening, four and a half Million indiginous Norwegians had a half Million (and rising) immigrants foisted upon them, their entire way of life is threatened. What really angered Breivik was that the government never consulted the Norwegian people, they just implemented their immigration policy. It is a well known fact, immigrants tend to vote Socialist, so the Norwegian Socialist Lobby probably thought that there bread was buttered forever. Breivik sure changed that ! you are partially correct. obviously, the government has no right allowing so many aliens into the country. however, it is not totally the individual government's fault. it is the worthless imbeciles running the so called european union. rather than murdering innocent people, a bomb in the european union headquarters executing that garbage would have been much more appropriate.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 5, 2012 14:50:18 GMT
the fool is obviously NOT insane. the ONLY legitimate definition for insanity in a criminal case, such as murder, is that the perpetrator truly does not know that murder is wrong. this fool obviously does know that murder is wrong
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jan 5, 2012 15:01:14 GMT
Toby comments.:- Breivik was so pissed off with the mass immigration that he decided to so something about it and to his credit, he did not go after the immigrants themselves for after all, they are only pawns in the game, he went after those people who facilitated the mass immigration, and their Families. The Camp was full of young Socialists who were being groomed to be the new Leaders / Movers / Shakers of Norway. The statistics on Norwegian Immigration are frightening, four and a half Million indiginous Norwegians had a half Million (and rising) immigrants foisted upon them, their entire way of life is threatened. What really angered Breivik was that the government never consulted the Norwegian people, they just implemented their immigration policy. It is a well known fact, immigrants tend to vote Socialist, so the Norwegian Socialist Lobby probably thought that there bread was buttered forever. Breivik sure changed that ! It's also been alledged he murdered those camping teenagers on that island because they reminded him of the Hitler Youth ( andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/07/norways-labour-camp.html )! His facebook was changed from presenting himself as an Illuminati freemason to a militant Christian shortly before his rampage! www.infowars.com/norway-killer-anders-behring-breivik-was-a-freemason/
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Post by toby on Jan 5, 2012 15:28:37 GMT
Iamjumbo posted.:-you are partially correct. obviously, the government has no right allowing so many aliens into the country. however, it is not totally the individual government's fault. it is the worthless imbeciles running the so called european union. rather than murdering innocent people, a bomb in the european union headquarters executing that garbage would have been much more appropriate.
Toby comments.:- Norway is not a member of the EU but the current Norwegian government are working closely to go down the same roads as EU Countries and the mass Immigration policy is one of the favourite policies to create the coffee-coloured wage slave proletariat to be governed from Brussels and Berlin.
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Post by toby on Jan 5, 2012 15:35:23 GMT
anna posted.;-It's also been alledged he murdered those camping teenagers on that island because they reminded him of the Hitler Youth
Toby comments.:- Breivik is not a Nazi though, his beliefs on race etc. are based on 18th and early 19th. Century Eugenics theories which include Darwin and his theories.
Breivik was very angry at a small coterie of folk in power conniving at mass immigration and when you look at the figures then a half Million Immigrants into a small country of only four and a half Million, is madness.
I suppose you all know about the Immigrants going on Rape sprees ?
These have been hushed up but there is widespread anger against the government and the Norwegian Socialists for engineering this.
I wonder what the Socialist Parents of the dead Campers will be thinking ? Will they regret their conniving in the destruction of the Norwegian folk or will they be wishing they had never condned mass Immigration ?
I would like to find out !
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Post by sadie1263 on Jan 5, 2012 23:03:02 GMT
Is 21 years the harshest punishment Norway has for ANY crime???
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Post by lakshmi on Jan 5, 2012 23:05:20 GMT
^ Yes
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Post by sadie1263 on Jan 5, 2012 23:23:36 GMT
It seems like such an arbitrary number, not 20....or 25.....just 21.....any reasoning behind it?
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jan 6, 2012 0:09:26 GMT
It seems like such an arbitrary number, not 20....or 25.....just 21.....any reasoning behind it? The terrorist Christian Klar was sentenced to 9 life sentences at least in Germany. He was released after 26 years. Prison time can be a little longer in Germany, but there's no such a thing as life without parole. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christian_Klar
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Post by lakshmi on Jan 6, 2012 0:25:37 GMT
It seems like such an arbitrary number, not 20....or 25.....just 21.....any reasoning behind it? I donno it. Also it thot its funny number to pick out.
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Post by toby on Jan 6, 2012 10:11:30 GMT
Sadie posted.:-Is 21 years the harshest punishment Norway has for ANY crime???
Toby comments.:- The figure was arrived at assuming Mr. Breivik behaved himself, after 21 years he would be let out. However as our Lord Jesus said, 'repent of your sins'.
Once true repentance has been made then in the eyes of the Church you are absolved.
I reckon that as Norway has a lot of open Prisons, Breivik will be allowed out on day release and probably hop over the border to freedom and sell his story for Millions.
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Post by toby on Jan 6, 2012 10:15:00 GMT
tiki posted.:-Norway has small murder rate compare to america and uk i think but such as he will do it again if its possible.
Toby comments.;- I visited Norway, a great place and it used to be that you didn't need to lock your house, car up and folk could walk around without fear of getting robbed, girls never worried about getting raped.
That's all changed though and with the arrival of Immigrants, crime has risen and a Country that used to have a small murder rate now finds the statistics rising rapidly.
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Post by toby on Jan 6, 2012 10:24:28 GMT
Anna posted.:-The terrorist Christian Klar was sentenced to 9 life sentences at least in Germany. He was released after 26 years.
Toby comments.:- When you look at his background it is so promising ! how a person from such a good set of Parents with a good upbringing could go down the criminal path is a lesson to us all, and I suspect that Behring is a similar case !
I was in a large Foundary in Krefeld recently for work and at lunch we discussed Breivik and why he did what he did, there was no condemnation, the general consensus was,' Schnautze Voll'. Are the German people getting so immured and insensitive ? I know most people hate the German Immigration policies but it seems to me that Germany is slowly moving to the right, Merkel is not helping anybody by the proposed Tax increases either !
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 6, 2012 17:48:31 GMT
It seems like such an arbitrary number, not 20....or 25.....just 21.....any reasoning behind it? I donno it. Also it thot its funny number to pick out. it's a really good number if you're playing blackjack, and you have the 21
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