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Post by ♫anna♫ on Aug 30, 2011 21:34:36 GMT
www.stuff.co.nz/technology/digital-living/5495634/Racism-online-may-become-illegal-in-NZ QUOTE: Racism online may become illegal in NZ
24/08/2011 Posting racist or xenophobic messages on the internet and Holocaust denial could be illegal if New Zealand signs up to a international cyber-crime agreement. Justice Minister Simon Power and Police Minister Judith Collins yesterday announced a three-year plan to crack down on international organised crime. One proposal involves the Government signing the Council of Europe Cyber Crime Convention, also known as the Budapest Convention. A protocol of the convention requires nations to make "the dissemination of racist and xenophobic material through computer systems" a crime. It also makes denial or justification of the Holocaust and other verified genocides illegal. Almost 30 nations have ratified the convention. However, a number – including US, Ireland and Britain – have refused to sign the protocol. The organised crime plan proposes to review New Zealand law "with a view to adopting" the convention. A Justice Ministry report notes many laws already conform to the convention. It estimates 70 per cent of adults have been targets of some form of cyber crime. An organised crime crackdown would also involve anti-money laundering measures, protections against identity theft and steps to prevent bribery and corruption. It would also allow more information to be shared by domestic agencies and across borders. An omnibus bill would come before Parliament next year, if National is re-elected. In a bid to tackle white-collar crime, regulations on establishing firms and trusts will be tightened. More than 1000 New Zealand organisations have been implicated in serious offending overseas in the last five years, the report noted. To reduce money laundering, increased reporting of suspicious transactions and monitoring of international fund transfers and high value cash transactions would occur.
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Post by sadie1263 on Aug 30, 2011 22:01:27 GMT
Wish they could just outlaw stupidity.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Aug 31, 2011 17:49:47 GMT
Wish they could just outlaw stupidity. Hmmm Sadie, Does that mean perhaps prison or labor camps for stupid people?
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Post by sadie1263 on Sept 1, 2011 19:19:54 GMT
No, of course that's not what I mean.
It's just ridiculous to think we can legislate people'e behavior and thoughts to any extent. I'm not saying they should be allowed to disseminate racist things......just that there are always going to be people that are idiots and say and do ridiculous things. Are we going to pass laws for every diffent thing people do that is offensive.
Right now there is a huge push to ban texting and driving......no one should be texting and driving......but then are we going to pass a law that people should not put on make up and drive, eat a burger and drive, shave and drive, put eye drops in their eye and drive.......we have laws against reckless driving....shouldn't that cover all of those?
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Post by jihu on Sept 2, 2011 18:49:36 GMT
While I vehemently oppose racism, it is impossible to enforce any law banning racism. You will find racism and ethnic discrimination in every major country in this world. It is a shame, but it will take generations before all mankind can call each other "Brother".
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Sept 2, 2011 21:50:55 GMT
People are always going to be intolerant.
Today, the most intolerant are those who are intolerant of intolerance :-)
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Post by jihu on Sept 2, 2011 23:27:38 GMT
People are always going to be intolerant. Today, the most intolerant are those who are intolerant of intolerance :-) That is SOOOOO true! Nice one DAS!
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Post by Synonym on Sept 3, 2011 17:58:02 GMT
Whenever there is talk about banning racism or sexism or homophobia, I'd like to know the precise definition of these terms being used. It seems to me that under some definitions of racism debate that I would consider to be 'valid' would be barred. For example discussions on whether some races are better at X than others, or worse at Y etc. I am not saying that I think that this is the case just that I do not consider such discussions that are about what is factually untrue or true to be 'racist'.
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Post by Synonym on Sept 3, 2011 17:59:59 GMT
People are always going to be intolerant. Today, the most intolerant are those who are intolerant of intolerance :-) I have seen a lot of debates on homosexual issues and I have noticed something similar. It seems to me that the people on the correct side of the debate, the people who are pro equality, often post more prejudice and bigotry than those on the incorrect side.
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Post by toby on Sept 17, 2011 16:54:47 GMT
To reduce money laundering, increased reporting of suspicious transactions and monitoring of international fund transfers and high value cash transactions would occur.
Toby comments.:- This is already in place in Europe, if you pay cash for a car purchase, the garage has to report this to the authorities.
The EU wish to ban the use of cheques and cash transactions and make all transactions electronic.
The reason ? to better keep track of what you are doing with your money !
All part of the push to the one-world-government
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Post by iamjumbo on Sept 17, 2011 21:41:23 GMT
Whenever there is talk about banning racism or sexism or homophobia, I'd like to know the precise definition of these terms being used. It seems to me that under some definitions of racism debate that I would consider to be 'valid' would be barred. For example discussions on whether some races are better at X than others, or worse at Y etc. I am not saying that I think that this is the case just that I do not consider such discussions that are about what is factually untrue or true to be 'racist'. that's why such abject stupidity as this is inherently evil on its face. first of all, the imbeciles who make such laws are too ignorant to know what racism is. these are the trash who try to claim that saying that blacks commit more crime than whites is racism, when nothing could be further from the truth. the bottom line, the irrefutable reality, is that it is the true racists who come up with these imbecilic ideas
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Post by iamjumbo on Sept 17, 2011 21:42:43 GMT
People are always going to be intolerant. Today, the most intolerant are those who are intolerant of intolerance :-) the irrefutable REALITY is that tolerance of evil is the greatest crime of all
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Sept 18, 2011 1:05:04 GMT
Hitler defined racism when he imagined that Jews are an inferior race and should therefore be exterminated. Ditto for Poles, Gypsies, and Homosexuals.
The problem is that any classification by race will now get you accused of racism. As Jumbo points out, if you note that blacks commit more crimes you'll be called a racist. If you point out that most of the better basketball players are black you'll be called a racist.
Hitler really was a racist who deserved the label. But today's liberals have gone overboard.
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Post by toby on Sept 18, 2011 12:38:50 GMT
BA posted.:-Hitler really was a racist who deserved the label
Toby comments.:- Yes he was but the massive difference between Hitler and the current Politicians is that Hitler was for his own sort, our Politicians are against their own sort.
To be white working and middle class in Britain means you are bottom of the pile as the UK Politicians will happily import Millions of Africans and give them priority over their own folk.
That's the difference and if I were asked who is the better of the racists then I would choose Hitler.
I want a Politician who is for the indiginous folk who elected them, what we have are Politicians who hate us.
One example, Britain is Bankrupt yet Gordon Brown fought to donate 10 Billion pounds (about $15 Billion), to Africa when UK citizens were dying from cold during the winter due to high energy costs.
That's racism for you !
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Post by toby on Sept 18, 2011 12:40:23 GMT
BA posted.:-Hitler defined racism when he imagined that Jews are an inferior race and should therefore be exterminated.
Toby comments.:- To be fair to Hitler, he did offer the Jews the Island of Madagascar to settle to, they turned him down !
The rest is history.
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Post by Big Lin on Sept 18, 2011 15:34:27 GMT
Look, I don't like racism but trying to make it a criminal offence is just crazy.
It won't work and it will only give more opportunities for lawyers to make money out of usually ridiculous claims.
Any normal person knows that there are good and bad people throughout the world whatever their ethnic origin or skin colour.
Christ, I've never forgotten the Hindu when I lived in Streatham who was quite open about his intention of voting BNP!
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Post by iamjumbo on Sept 18, 2011 20:57:39 GMT
Look, I don't like racism but trying to make it a criminal offence is just crazy. It won't work and it will only give more opportunities for lawyers to make money out of usually ridiculous claims. Any normal person knows that there are good and bad people throughout the world whatever their ethnic origin or skin colour. Christ, I've never forgotten the Hindu when I lived in Streatham who was quite open about his intention of voting BNP! see, even some hindus are smart people
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Post by Synonym on Sept 20, 2011 22:25:59 GMT
BA posted.:-Hitler defined racism when he imagined that Jews are an inferior race and should therefore be exterminated. Toby comments.:- To be fair to Hitler, he did offer the Jews the Island of Madagascar to settle to, they turned him down ! The rest is history. All six million were given the option and all six million said no?
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Sept 21, 2011 0:27:32 GMT
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Post by toby on Sept 21, 2011 12:34:35 GMT
BA posted.:-It doesn't look like the Jews had the option based on this Wikipedia entry.
Toby comments.:- The Jews had been agitating for their own homeland for some time, it was a kind gesture on the part of the Germans to try to keep them happy.
Also note in this wiki link the figure of 4 Million Jews is mentioned, this proves that the figure of 6 Million perishing in the holocaust was wrong. Up to around 1970 the figure of around 4 Million Jews plus Gypsies plus Homosexuals exterminated, was accepted, then it became 6 Million Jews, (the Gypsies and Pouffes were forgotton), but where this figure comes form, nobody knows and it's very dodgy !.
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