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Post by beth on Jul 4, 2009 14:10:23 GMT
Thanks, anna. Love your fireworks. Ours started late last night and scared the cat under the bed. The parade is to begin at 11 a.m. (an hour from now). It goes down our street and, yes, we'll be going out to watch and visit with all the neighbors who are also watching. Typical American small town life at it's best.
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Post by Alpha Hooligan on Jul 4, 2009 16:14:36 GMT
Laugh away 'mericans....this is just part of our cunning plan to lull you into a false sense of security before we make our final move. AH
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Post by Big Lin on Jul 4, 2009 18:07:51 GMT
Happy 4th July to our American friends. Have a great day! Of course, if George III was still on the throne today he'd be in the Guinness Book of Records!
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 4, 2009 21:02:03 GMT
Happy 4th July to our American friends. Have a great day! Of course, if George III was still on the throne today he'd be in the Guinness Book of Records! Methsuthulah is still the record holder for that one, BUT... With a little genetic engineering and a low fat diet ( fat chance! ) i'm sure the monarchy can be recloned..i mean rethroned!
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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 4, 2009 22:11:49 GMT
Eh . . . did the USA gain independence from 'England'?
That's an interesting take on history.
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Post by mouse on Jul 4, 2009 22:25:28 GMT
"""Well i'm sure the present day English would immediately rebel against ole King George the 3rd if he was in power today!""" i am not so sure they would..actually he wasnt such a bad king at all..and is much underated as both a king and as a person
it was his bad fortune to have his blood illness and become known as mad..when infact he wasnt mad...but how he must have suffered poor man..some of the ""cures""he underwent were horrendous
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Post by mouse on Jul 4, 2009 22:35:59 GMT
George was a major art collector and a supporter of the astronomer Sir William Herschel (1738–1822). His cultural preferences, particularly his interest in the work of George Frideric Handel (1685–1759), were related to his moral concerns. George was interested in farming and was known as "Farmer George." Although this led to satire at his expense, his domestication of the monarchy and his lack of ostentatious grandeur was important to a revival in popularity for the monarchy that served it well in the political crisis of the 1790s caused by the French Revolution. He was the originator of the emphasis on domesticity in the British royal family. The contrast between the fates of the British and French monarchies was due to many factors, but the differences between the personalities and attitudes of George III and Louis XVI (ruled 1774–1792) were important. Similarly George was subsequently favorably contrasted by British commentators with the apparently tyrannical and bellicose Napoléon I.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 5, 2009 6:01:03 GMT
George was a major art collector and a supporter of the astronomer Sir William Herschel (1738–1822). His cultural preferences, particularly his interest in the work of George Frideric Handel (1685–1759), were related to his moral concerns. George was interested in farming and was known as "Farmer George." Although this led to satire at his expense, his domestication of the monarchy and his lack of ostentatious grandeur was important to a revival in popularity for the monarchy that served it well in the political crisis of the 1790s caused by the French Revolution. He was the originator of the emphasis on domesticity in the British royal family. The contrast between the fates of the British and French monarchies was due to many factors, but the differences between the personalities and attitudes of George III and Louis XVI (ruled 1774–1792) were important. Similarly George was subsequently favorably contrasted by British commentators with the apparently tyrannical and bellicose Napoléon I. A dear friend of mine believes that Napoleon was one of the "good guys" too. www.goodreads.com/author/quotes/210910.Napoleon_Bonaparte QUOTE: "History is a myth men have agreed upon." — Napoleon Bonaparte (The Military Maxims of Napoleon) Maybe King George the 3rd got a bad rap in the US.
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Post by mouse on Jul 5, 2009 13:49:13 GMT
i am a fan of napolion..also henry the 8th and king john....all have had as you say a bad rap and an admirer of william the conquerer..ivan the terrible and many more the evil that men do lives after the them..the good is oft intered with their bones.....sadly
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Post by everso on Jul 5, 2009 19:39:00 GMT
Eh . . . did the USA gain independence from 'England'? That's an interesting take on history. I feel I must side with Riot here. The USA did not gain independence from England, but from Great Britain. The correct name for our country is The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (UK for short). England is the largest country, followed by Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland. Ireland or Eire is completely separate. Riot: I saw this in Yahoo Answers: Is Scotland the biggest county in England? Thought that might amuse you. Not. ;D
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Post by Liberator on Jul 5, 2009 20:19:49 GMT
I think that the Americans (the USA dates from 1786) gained independence from The united Kingdom of England and Scotland. Ireland at that time still had its own Parliament (now one of the Bank of Ireland's buildings).
I rather like Napoleon too. Before him was an unstable dictatorship and a shambles. One could call him a dictator too but the time just probably wasn't suited to anything else with the rest of Europe at war with France. If he had been terrible, it's unlikely that France would have welcomed him back so fast.
George was probably maligned. He's the first in the family to think of himself as really English (except for a love of sauerkraut). His father and grandfather put Hanover first and even Victoria had a German governess. A lot of American states were corporate monopolies and the shareholders were sitting in Parliament. If you wanted a saucepan in Virginia you had to buy it from the Virginia Company and you'd be locked up for trying to make your own and you sold your tobacco to them. Maryland was a strange affair like a duchy and some of the other states had religious influence in their government.
It's a brilliant opportunity missed because if the states had been granted self-governance under the crown (and maybe some of the grandees like Washington granted the peerage they could expect in Britain) they would have started something like the Commonwealth Dominions long before they came about and it might have established a precedent for a more federal Commonwealth without going through the Empire. I think the British Empire was rather better than most other European ones and considerably more so than traditional ones like China. It was more marred by racism than France or Portugal but they were much more culturally fascistic.
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Post by clemiethedog on Jul 6, 2009 12:26:17 GMT
Washington remains one of my favorite leaders and I think he was the one indispensable individual during the revolutionary period; indeed it was his willingness to relinquish power that made the American Revolution unique. In 1783, at the conclusion of hostilities, Washington resigned his commission and returned to private life. Usually the revolutionary leader does not retire, but rather remains in power, while maintaining the title 'General'. When informed of Washington's intention to retire, George III said, "if he does that, he'll be the greatest man alive!"
Four years later Washington returned to public service the nation, his nation, required his services in forming a new constitution. After serving two terms, unanimously elected both times, he incredibly retired to Mount Vernon a second time. A 28-year old Corsican was flabbergasted. Napoleon Bonaparte later said, "I never would have done that."
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Post by Liberator on Jul 6, 2009 12:49:47 GMT
There are two examples from different ends of the Classical Roman empire. The first is the dictator Lucius Cornelius Sulla, around 100BC who reformed the Republican constitution practically out of existence by some very clever chicanery that excluded opposition with each successive stage. Then he retired (by all accounts to end his days in wine women and boys) and stayed retired while the whole thing unravelled itself. The second is the emperor Diocletian[us] who ended 60 years of civil war by completely restructuring the political and military organisation and came up with a very good structure of two senior Augusti training two junior Caesares as their successors, retired in 300CE to what is now the town of Split and stayed there while Constantine undid the whole thing and turned it into the Byzantine Empire.
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Post by everso on Jul 7, 2009 23:05:02 GMT
I think that the Americans (the USA dates from 1786) gained independence from The united Kingdom of England and Scotland. Ireland at that time still had its own Parliament (now one of the Bank of Ireland's buildings).I rather like Napoleon too. Before him was an unstable dictatorship and a shambles. One could call him a dictator too but the time just probably wasn't suited to anything else with the rest of Europe at war with France. If he had been terrible, it's unlikely that France would have welcomed him back so fast. George was probably maligned. He's the first in the family to think of himself as really English (except for a love of sauerkraut). His father and grandfather put Hanover first and even Victoria had a German governess. A lot of American states were corporate monopolies and the shareholders were sitting in Parliament. If you wanted a saucepan in Virginia you had to buy it from the Virginia Company and you'd be locked up for trying to make your own and you sold your tobacco to them. Maryland was a strange affair like a duchy and some of the other states had religious influence in their government. It's a brilliant opportunity missed because if the states had been granted self-governance under the crown (and maybe some of the grandees like Washington granted the peerage they could expect in Britain) they would have started something like the Commonwealth Dominions long before they came about and it might have established a precedent for a more federal Commonwealth without going through the Empire. I think the British Empire was rather better than most other European ones and considerably more so than traditional ones like China. It was more marred by racism than France or Portugal but they were much more culturally fascistic. The 1707 Union created the United Kingdom of Great Britain (according to www.parliament.uk/actofunion. I did say in my post that the USA gained independence from Great Britain. I then went on to say that the correct name for our country (meaning how we refer to it today) is The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland (UK for short). Sorry if that wasn't clear.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 4, 2010 18:49:01 GMT
IT'S THAT TIME AGAIN! HAPPY 4TH OF JULY FOR OUR AMERICAN MEMBERS!
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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 4, 2010 19:03:53 GMT
Indeed. I hope all you Merkans have a great Independence Day.
It's a day of sadness for me, as my own nation has yet to gain its independence, but good luck to those nations which have. X
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Post by alanseago on Jul 4, 2010 19:38:54 GMT
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Post by riotgrrl on Jul 4, 2010 19:43:36 GMT
Did you just kiss me you old smoothie you? (Or were you being sarcastic.) (Or did you post the wrong link?) X
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Post by beth on Jul 5, 2010 2:38:17 GMT
Thank you, Anna and RG. Ours was loud, colorful and very traditional with fireworks, parades and flag decor. One of my favorite holidays because it turns into a big, friendly block party with everyone out and about.
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