An Eye for an Eye!!?

[Deleted]

Cases where the victim is allowed to choose the punishment just gives rise to a nasty suspicion that instead of deterring criminals, they will just pick and choose their victims - who will probably be the chefmates of this world!

[riotgrrl]

May 11, 2009 18:54:26 GMT @skylark said:

Cases where the victim is allowed to choose the punishment just gives rise to a nasty suspicion that instead of deterring criminals, they will just pick and choose their victims - who will probably be the chefmates of this world!

Christians are going to live to regret all that 'turn the other cheek' stuff . . .

[Deleted]

Riot, I nearly mentioned the C word then remembered that Iamjumbo is a Christian.....

[Big Lin]

Well, I'm a Christian and I just can't go along with this sentence.

Yes, the bloke is a monster who deserves to be punished but NOT like THAT!

[♫anna♫]

May 11, 2009 21:23:26 GMT Big Lin said:

Well, I'm a Christian and I just can't go along with this sentence.

Yes, the bloke is a monster who deserves to be punished but NOT like THAT!

Wikipidia has an entry on this ugly tradition of maiming women with acid.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_attack
If these horrible attacks can be reduced by punishing the attacker with government approval in the same manner, then the sentence is not only justified, but neccesary. It shouldn't be about revenge.

Of course we will never be able to compile statistics on the number of acid attacks prevented because the potential acid attacker feared suffering the same fate.

[Liberator]

How strange that our so-called 'civilised' society is full of filth baying for exactly this kind of return to tit-for-tat aht Alfred the Great obsoleted and screaming that restricting any woman's viciousness or finding men not guilty is 'misogyny'

[Big Lin]

I'd say you must live on a different planet from most folks if you seriously think that our society is 'full of filth' calling for this sort of barbarity.

I don't know where you get the idea that any of the women on this board would regard an example of bad behaviour, crime, etc., by a female with any less horror, anger and contempt than they would if a man did the same thing.

I don't know where you get the idea that any woman here would regard the acquittal of a man as being an example of misogyny.

On the other hand, your constant anti-female remarks do show a consistent pattern of TRUE misogyny (as opposed to the bullshit version of it pushed by pseudo-feminists.)

Ratarse, sometimes you can post quite sensibly.

Please stop posting your racist and anti-female rubbish.

[Liberator]

I have never posted any anti-female remarks - generally my views are anti-male. Nor have I posted any racist ones. The issue you avoid is that when women are accused or guilty, there is always excuse for them because they are women, but whenever men stand accused, they are seen as responsible because they are men. This has been the situation throughout the 20th century and Victorian period.


Please stop lying. It is just your kind of traditional sexism that does seek to exempt any woman from the same judgement as men by screaming Misogyny the moment she faces equal treatment. This traditional sexism often calls itself Feminism in order to oppose sexual equality just as totalitarian dictatorships called themselves Socialism in order to oppose socialist equality.

[lonewolf]

Mar 27, 2009 14:45:47 GMT @chefmate said:

I would show mercy instead of blinding him which is the higher road to take and will teach a far better lesson than blinding him but it is not my choice nor in my hands.

Nor was there acid in YOUR eyes!

[chefmate]

May 13, 2009 6:19:29 GMT @lonewolf said:

Mar 27, 2009 14:45:47 GMT @chefmate said:

I would show mercy instead of blinding him which is the higher road to take and will teach a far better lesson than blinding him but it is not my choice nor in my hands.

Nor was there acid in YOUR eyes!

No there wasn't but an eye for an eye is vengeful and cruel; we are supposedly civilized but then, we do allow the murder of unborn children and most people won't blink an eye over that atrocity.

[trubble]

How does this eye-for-an-eye thing work? Is it just for eyes or if, say, I ran over my neighbour's dog would he be entitled to run over my dog?

Or if I killed his family by negligent driving, would he have to mow mine down? What if I was running with scissors and fell and hurt my hand, should I stab my other hand? If he breaks my nose in a fight I should get to break his back... it's all a bit...primitive and short-term gratification...

[Liberator]

The Jewish interpretation at those times was that it meant equal restitution without additional punitive demands. As long as history records, it was taken as value of. In fact, given differences in who was considered citizen or not, these ancient 'Classical' and 'Primitive' societies were often far les vicious and more turned towards compensation instead of punishment than our own Right Wing and much more so than the American Religious Right who'd often make Jinghiz Khan look too wishy-washy liberal.

There is something in Leviticus about a man throwing a stone at another that goes amiss and causes a woman to have an abortion being guilty or murdering her child. No doubt it was intended to handle some practical situation of other people getting mixed up in a private fight. With no proper police and judicial service to sort these things out, every possible occurrence had to be written down for reference because there was no other law, except maybe the King if you could get to him.

It's like 'Judge' Roy Bean checking his law book that there are laws to cover black and white men, but not yellow, so killing of or by a Chinese labourer cannot be illegal.

[trubble]

Sounds much more flawed than our current system.

[♫anna♫]

Apparently the sentence wasn't carried out on April 15 because the victim Ameneh Bahrami is still in Spain, undergoing operations. The sentence is expected to be carried out when Mrs. Bahrami can return to Iran.

I could only find this German newspaper interview with Mrs. Bahrami dated July 5, 2009
tt.com/tt/home/story.csp?cid=10410570&sid=57&fid=21
Translated quote from Mrs. Bahrami:
"This has nothing to do with revenge!" says Ameneh, who wishes to deter future attacks like this via this frightening example of blinding her attacker. "I'm doing this for the women of Iran! I want to prevent other women from suffering what happened to me!"

[♫anna♫]

Another Iranian man has been sentenced to be blinded after blinding the husband of a woman, who he had an affair with.
www.heraldsun.com.au/news/world/man-sentenced-to-be-blinded-with-acid-by-iranian-court/story-e6frf7lf-1225969498354 QUOTE:
Man sentenced to be blinded with acid by Iranian court
IRAN'S supreme court has upheld a sentence of blinding with acid for a man who blinded his lover's husband, under the Islamic "eye-for-an-eye" justice code, a government daily said.

The convict, named only as Mojtaba, 25, threw acid in the face of Alireza, 25, a taxi driver in Iran's clerical hub city of Qom, after an "illicit affair" with the victim's wife, Mojdeh, also 25, said the newspaper Iran.

The supreme court has upheld a lower court ruling that Mojtaba be blinded with drops of acid, in line with Islamic justice, which allows for "qisas," or eye-for-an-eye retribution, in cases of violent crime, it said.

Qom prosecutor Mostafa Barzegar Ganji said the victim had used his right to qisas.

"We have asked for forensic specialists to oversee the blinding of the convict," he said, quoted in Iran.

Several acid attacks have been reported in Iran.

In February 2009, Majid Movahedi was sentenced to be blinded in both eyes for having hurled acid in the face of a university classmate, Ameneh Bahrami, who refused a marriage proposal.

[sadie1263]

Good grief.....have they considered limiting the sales of acid around there?

[maggie]

The man has started his punishment already whilst waiting for the revenge blinding day. I doubt that the woman will be able to do it; who could unless they were mentally unstable? She should show that she is a better person than him.

He certainly deserves severe punishment for what he did, many, many years in prison, but not this!

Those on here agreeing - could you actually do it?

[sadie1263]

I don't believe I could. I agree with imprisonment. The other is really sick and twisted.

[Big Lin]

I couldn't do it.

I'd lock the bloke up.

[Synonym]

I couldn't do it but I don't think you'd have to be a 'psycho' to either. Once ordinary men and women in UK society would have been cheering on at a hanging or burning. Products of their culture as we are of ours, and so cannot imagine doing such things.

[♫anna♫]

www.foxnews.com/world/2011/05/14/human-rights-group-calls-iran-cancel-sentence-blinding-man-acid/?test=latestnews QUOTE:
Human Rights Group Calls for Iran to Cancel Sentence by Blinding Man With Acid

Published May 14, 2011 | FoxNews.com
A human rights group has called on Iran to cancel the sentence of blinding a man who was convicted of throwing acid in a woman's face, the Daily Telegraph reports.

A court sentenced Majid Mohavedi to have acid dripped into his eyes in retribution for pouring acid in Ameneh Bahrami's face in 2004 after she spurned his offers of marriage. She was left blinded from the attack.

Amnesty International is calling for a halt to the sentence, saying it's too harsh.

"Regardless of how horrific the crime suffered by Ameneh Bahrami, being blinded with acid is a cruel and inhuman punishment amounting to torture," an Amnesty International spokesman told the Daily Telegraph.

Iran has postponed Saturday's blinding sentence of Mohavedi, Reuters reports.

"The punishment of Majid was scheduled to be carried out on Saturday at a hospital but it has been postponed," Iranian news agency Fars quoted an unnamed official, according to Reuters.

Bahrami wants the sentence to be carried out.

"The verdict is completely legal and I would like to carry it out," she told the Telegraph.

She has gone several operations since the attack which left her severely disfigured.

Under Iran's Islamic law, retribution is permitted in cases of bodily harm.

[iamjumbo]

Mar 5, 2011 20:59:52 GMT maggie said:

The man has started his punishment already whilst waiting for the revenge blinding day. I doubt that the woman will be able to do it; who could unless they were mentally unstable? She should show that she is a better person than him.

He certainly deserves severe punishment for what he did, many, many years in prison, but not this!

Those on here agreeing - could you actually do it?

in a heartbeat. it's no different than squashing a cockroach

[♫anna♫]

The "sentence" was scheduled to be carried this Sunday! No news yet.

These acid attacks against women in Muslim countries are unfortunately not uncommon. I agree that such a punishment would deter future acid attacks.

Bangladesh punishes acid attackers with the death penalty and Pakistan has the same eye for an eye punishment as Iran does for this atrocity!
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Acid_throwing

[sadie1263]

How about they start cracking down on the sale of acid while they are at it??? Just a thought.

[♫anna♫]

www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5gShQZEYewbHGPxYeV1ubozoo8Cig?docId=CNG.2797b7dff287e16a1e77be966d636bc3.821 QUOTE:
Iran woman 'seeks 2 euros to spare acid attacker'
TEHRAN — It will cost an Iranian man convicted of throwing acid in the face of a fellow student two million euros to escape a court-ordered blinding, the Arman newspaper quoted his victim as saying on Tuesday.

"I announced that I want two million euros to guarantee my life and my future, and not for treatment," Ameneh Bahrami told the paper.

"It is only then that I will give up qesas (retributive justice) against Majid, although they said -- and I hope it is true -- that the sentence will be carried out next week," she added.

Majid Movahedi was sentenced to be blinded in both eyes in February 2009, after being convicted of hurling acid in the face of university classmate Bahrami when she repeatedly spurned his offer of marriage.

The court-ordered blinding of Movahedi was postponed at the 11th hour on Saturday. No official reason was given.

Bahrami -- the driving force behind the sentence -- had travelled to the Iranian capital from Spain where she now lives in the expectation of it being carried out. She even said she was ready to do the blinding herself.

Amnesty International had called on Friday for a stay of the sentence, which it described as "a cruel and inhuman punishment amounting to torture".

The Islamic sharia code in force in Iran provides for eye-for-an-eye-style retributive justice, most commonly for murder or those convicted of causing intentional physical injury.

Bahrami -- who was 24 when she met Movahedi in 2002 -- has been undergoing medical treatment for her disfigurement for years in Spain. She is blind in both eyes and still has serious injuries to her face and body.

A number of acid attacks have been reported in Iran in recent years and the press has been generally supportive of Bahrami, publishing sympathetic interviews with her, and photographs of her face before and after the attack.

In December 2010, Iran's supreme court upheld another sentence to blinding handed down against a man convicted of an acid attack against his wife's lover that deprived him of his sight. There has been no reported confirmation of it ever being carried out.