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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 17:27:24 GMT
they never should have dropped it , it was a crime against humanity imo Would you say the same thing about the "Rape of Nanking or the brutal treatment of prisoners by Japan? In late December, 1937 and early January, 1938, the Imperial Japanese Army perpetrated one of the most horrific war crimes of the World War II era. In what is known as the Nanking Massacre or the Rape of Nanking, Japanese soldiers systematically raped thousands of Chinese women and girls of all ages - even infants. They also murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians and prisoners of war in what was then the Chinese capital city of Nanking. Or how about Japan's brutal subjugation of Korea and their use of 'pillow woman.' Japan was ruled by a cadre of warriors who operated in the barbaric acts of previous times and they responded only to similar strengths and acts. If the had not been brutally beaten and subjugated and a 'treaty' established, they would still be treating subjugated peoples as they did then. Like it or not the use of nuclear weapons brought Japan to the peace agreement as a complete and totally beaten warrior nation and from that they have been developed into a world power by those who beat them. An act of victors that was outside of any cultural acts possible by Japan.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 17:56:08 GMT
they never should have dropped it , it was a crime against humanity imo Would you say the same thing about the "Rape of Nanking or the brutal treatment of prisoners by Japan? In late December, 1937 and early January, 1938, the Imperial Japanese Army perpetrated one of the most horrific war crimes of the World War II era. In what is known as the Nanking Massacre or the Rape of Nanking, Japanese soldiers systematically raped thousands of Chinese women and girls of all ages - even infants. They also murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians and prisoners of war in what was then the Chinese capital city of Nanking. Or how about Japan's brutal subjugation of Korea and their use of 'pillow woman.' Japan was ruled by a cadre of warriors who operated in the barbaric acts of previous times and they responded only to similar strengths and acts. If the had not been brutally beaten and subjugated and a 'treaty' established, they would still be treating subjugated peoples as they did then. Like it or not the use of nuclear weapons brought Japan to the peace agreement as a complete and totally beaten warrior nation and from that they have been developed into a world power by those who beat them. An act of victors that was outside of any cultural acts possible by Japan. Two wrongs don't make a right , it was wrong to drop the bomb regardless of what they were allegedly doing
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 20:25:03 GMT
Gibby stated, “ . . . Two wrongs don't make a right , it was wrong to drop the bomb regardless of what they were allegedly doing . . . “
Allegedly doing? The facts of history means nothing anymore?
Ahh, applying a supposed ethical absolute rather than face the practicality of survival.
Better I guess to die than kill the rabid dog.
Apply that to today. Western culture exists! Islamic culture exists! They do not mesh!
One of them is committed to its very core to do away with (enslave, kill) the other. Following your axiom, we of the west would be better served to lay down and present the bared neck to the killers. Of course that would mean the west would no longer exist, that is, civilization that we know, civilization we value, will be no more. What is left will be the savage, the barbarian, rule of the mighty, the end of the independence of women.
But hey! We shouldn’t be concern for suicidal acts against our own culture is okay because we won’t be acting like the sub-humans. Rather, we’ll just become them.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on May 13, 2016 23:37:46 GMT
they never should have dropped it , it was a crime against humanity imo Would you say the same thing about the "Rape of Nanking or the brutal treatment of prisoners by Japan? In late December, 1937 and early January, 1938, the Imperial Japanese Army perpetrated one of the most horrific war crimes of the World War II era. In what is known as the Nanking Massacre or the Rape of Nanking, Japanese soldiers systematically raped thousands of Chinese women and girls of all ages - even infants. They also murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians and prisoners of war in what was then the Chinese capital city of Nanking. Or how about Japan's brutal subjugation of Korea and their use of 'pillow woman.' Japan was ruled by a cadre of warriors who operated in the barbaric acts of previous times and they responded only to similar strengths and acts. If the had not been brutally beaten and subjugated and a 'treaty' established, they would still be treating subjugated peoples as they did then. Like it or not the use of nuclear weapons brought Japan to the peace agreement as a complete and totally beaten warrior nation and from that they have been developed into a world power by those who beat them. An act of victors that was outside of any cultural acts possible by Japan. Killing innocent civilians in Hiroshima, Nagasaki and not to mention the 60 other Japanese cities that were senselessly destroyed by fire bombing has nothing to do with military strategy. This was simply genocide. The perpetrators of 911 also believed this twisted nonsense that innocent people had to die because of alleged wrongdoings that they had nothing to do with.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on May 13, 2016 23:47:06 GMT
Would you say the same thing about the "Rape of Nanking or the brutal treatment of prisoners by Japan? In late December, 1937 and early January, 1938, the Imperial Japanese Army perpetrated one of the most horrific war crimes of the World War II era. In what is known as the Nanking Massacre or the Rape of Nanking, Japanese soldiers systematically raped thousands of Chinese women and girls of all ages - even infants. They also murdered hundreds of thousands of civilians and prisoners of war in what was then the Chinese capital city of Nanking. Or how about Japan's brutal subjugation of Korea and their use of 'pillow woman.' Japan was ruled by a cadre of warriors who operated in the barbaric acts of previous times and they responded only to similar strengths and acts. If the had not been brutally beaten and subjugated and a 'treaty' established, they would still be treating subjugated peoples as they did then. Like it or not the use of nuclear weapons brought Japan to the peace agreement as a complete and totally beaten warrior nation and from that they have been developed into a world power by those who beat them. An act of victors that was outside of any cultural acts possible by Japan. Two wrongs don't make a right , it was wrong to drop the bomb regardless of what they were allegedly doing Though I usually agree with your posts Gibby, I have to take exception with this one. Harry Truman was one of Americas greatest Presidents. He made the decision to drop the A Bombs on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Those were his best two decisions.That is why he's one of my heroes even though he was a Democrat. I consider him to be the only great Democrat President America has ever had, with a tip of the hat to Franklin Roosevelt who was good on the war but not the economy. To really understand the importance of those two A Bombs, you have to firs acquaint yourself with the military conquest of Okinawa. You can do that here Okinawa is a large Island just south of the Japanese mainland. It was defended by Japanese troops who proved to be fanatical and suicidal in the extreme. There were also the Kamikaze pilots making suicide attacks on American ships. With that information, Truman could clearly see that a land invasion of Japan would be very costly. The Japanese army would resist to the death. Dropping those two bombs saved lives, lots and lots of them.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2016 2:11:52 GMT
War is savage, brutal, and to many it is without reason. Some seem to have some mythical belief that war is comprised of warriors each facing off one against another, or only soldiers fighting soldiers. That is a myth that never existed except in fiction.
War is between groups fighting to each protect their own group. Some can exist as a fighting force only to the extent that the country civilians supports the soldiers. In WW II the American soldier was supported by the civilian populace, who made the weapons of war and the other supplies needed to fight the war. In Japan the entire population was committed to the Emperor and on his call would fight to the last, every man, woman, and child. The Emperor and the Leader War Officers, were fully committed to the enactment of war in all possible acts until they won, absolutely and totally.
When faced with absolute and total destruction that only came to their understanding by facing the reality of that destruction, they were beaten. By this realization, they had the excuse, the justification by their code, to surrender. Without the dropping of the nuclear weapons the war would have continued and far more would have died.
Those who cannot see this reality are like the Roman leader who carried through a killing and washed his hands of the responsibility. A myth!
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Post by kronks on May 14, 2016 2:30:09 GMT
Of course this is all largely spin, the fact Japan was reduced to using Kamikaze pilots shows what a desperate situation it was in and how badly it was losing the war.
It sound to me that at this stage the jap navy and airforce were effectively defeated, so it seems to me they could win by laying seige to Japan.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on May 14, 2016 3:57:10 GMT
Of course this is all largely spin, the fact Japan was reduced to using Kamikaze pilots shows what a desperate situation it was in and how badly it was losing the war. It sound to me that at this stage the jap navy and airforce were effectively defeated, so it seems to me they could win by laying seige to Japan. Absolutely. The planes carrying thue nuclear bombs to Hiroshima + Nagasaki flew alone, unescorted by any planes. They knew that Japan was defenseless and if the Japanese had planes to intercept the nuclear bombers they had no fuel to fly them.
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