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Post by Deleted on Feb 7, 2012 17:50:37 GMT
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Feb 7, 2012 21:16:34 GMT
Hi SkyLark! Things were rather vague about the case of the homosexual male that Mrs. Ward wished to refer to another counselor. The man was having problems in the relationship with his male partner and wished to fix up his relationship by seeking counseling.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 8:10:12 GMT
I'm still worried about the word "affirm". Does it mean she was expected to approve of the relationship, or just acknowledge that it was happening? Obviously she could do the latter without voicing any opinion on the rights and wrongs of homosexuality. There must be many occasions when a counsellor really feels uncomfortable about what a client is doing, and has to switch off their own feelings? I'm not sure why a counsellor would have to endorse the behaviour of a client to counsel him.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 8, 2012 11:30:45 GMT
Perhaps it means that she would have had to acknowledge that he IS a homesexual, something her religion doesn't accept?
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Feb 8, 2012 14:49:10 GMT
Perhaps it means that she would have had to acknowledge that he IS a homesexual, something her religion doesn't accept? Even if affirm ( in this case a deceitful PC word ) meant only to support the status quo of a condition like homosexual or to give advice to help the continuation a homosexual relationship a counselor with a moral dilemma on this should be allowed to refer the patient to another counselor. www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/affirm QUOTE: Definition of AFFIRM transitive verb 1 a : validate, confirm b : to state positively <he affirmed his innocence> 2 : to assert (as a judgment or decree) as valid or confirmed 3 : to express dedication to <affirm life> intransitive verb 1 : to testify or declare by affirmation as distinguished from swearing an oath 2 : to uphold a judgment or decree of a lower court — af·firm·able adjective — af·fir·mance noun See affirm defined for English-language learners » See affirm defined for kids » Examples of AFFIRM
We cannot affirm that this painting is genuine. They neither affirmed nor denied their guilt. laws affirming the racial equality of all peoples They continued to affirm their religious beliefs. The decision was affirmed by a higher court.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 9, 2012 8:37:44 GMT
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Feb 9, 2012 15:54:56 GMT
Dearest SkyLark, Should you ever decide to study to become a counselor I'm sure you'll hear the word "affirm" a lot. I understand it as following the herd and doing as it does. It's not as clear cut as approve and I've never heard the word "disaffirm".
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Post by Lauren on Mar 28, 2012 12:24:18 GMT
Even if affirm ( in this case a deceitful PC word ) meant only to support the status quo of a condition like homosexual or to give advice to help the continuation a homosexual relationship a counselor with a moral dilemma on this should be allowed to refer the patient to another counselor. Again, as I stated before, as a student she cannot pick and chose her patience, because she is not a licensed counsellor yet. After she graduates, she can open her own practice and chose to counsel whomever she wants to that will not go against her morals. Honestly though, I can't see someone who is very religious to be a suitable counsellor, considering a lot of counsellors have to deal with a lot of immoral acts/issues. Unless she choses to council members of her own church, she probably will have a hard time finding and or keeping a job. The first thing most schools say when you enter a counselling program are three things: 1.) You are not homophobic, and 2.) You are pro-choice, and 3.) You are impartial.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 18, 2012 16:03:37 GMT
www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/06/14/julea-ward-bill-freedom-of-conscience-act-in-michigan-house-allows-discrimination-against-gay-clients_n_1597658.html QUOTE: 'Julea Ward' Bill Passed In Michigan House Allows Religious Counseling Students To Deny Gay ClientsJune 15, 2012 Julea Ward was dismissed from a counseling program at Eastern Michigan University in 2009 after she refused to counsel a gay student based on her Christian religious beliefs and, according to school officials, declined to work with the university to resolve the issue. Michigan's House passed a bill Tuesday that would prohibit the state's public universities from taking such action in the future. The bill 5040 is being called the "Julea Ward freedom of conscience act" in honor of Ward. It would forbid public colleges and universities from discriminating against or disciplining students participating in counseling, social work and psychology programs "because the student refuses to counsel or serve a client as to goals, outcomes, or behaviors that conflict with a sincerely held religious belief of the student, if the student refers the client to a counselor who will provide the counseling or services." While the legislation has gained the support of the Michigan Family Forum and the state's Attorney General, it has also attracted a diverse coalition opposing the bill. Equality Michigan, an LGBT group said on their website that the bill "threatens clients seeking counseling with rejection based on their race, relationship status, and faith, or, yes, because of their sexual orientation" and "sends the message that medical decisions can be based on religious and personal beliefs and not on what’s in the best interest of the patient." The legislation also has also come under fire from a variety of organizations. The American Civil Liberties Union, The National Organization for Women and state educational institutions and professional groups including The Michigan School of Professional Psychology, the Michigan School Counselor Association, the Michigan Counseling Association, the Council on Social Work Education, the National Association of Social Workers and the Michigan Association of Social, the Presidents' Council of Public Universities of Michigan and Western Michigan University all oppose the measure. Leigh Greden, director of government and community relations for EMU said the bill would jeopardize the the accreditation of several of Michigan's premier academic institutions, including EMU. An accreditation is special approval given to a learning institution when that school meets certain requirements. At the time of her dismissal, Ward was participating in a masters degree practicum program in school counseling that was certified by the American Counseling Association. The program requires students to abide by the organization's Code of Ethics, which does not allow practitioners to refuse counsel based on a client's sexual orientation. Ward sued EMU in 2009, charging that the school violated her constitutional rights. Although she initially lost the case in federal court, she appealed the case with help of attorneys from the Alliance Defense Fund and won a ruling from the U.S. Sixth District Court of Appeals. According to AnnArbor.com, it ruled that a jury might have viewed the university use of the code of ethics "as a pretext for punishing Ward's religious views and speech," and motioned for a retrial with a jury in a lower court. Greden maintains the university's decision to dismiss Ward from the program was simply a matter of school policy. "The underlying lawsuit is not about religion and not about homosexuality. It's about the right of university to insist that their students complete their academic assignments," said Greden. "If this case was about religion and EMU was engaged in discrimination, clearly she wouldn't have done so well in our program," he said to The Huffington Post, noting that Ward was an 'A' student. "She only encountered a problem when she said she wouldn't counsel a client." Jeremy Tedesco, a lawyer for the Alliance Defense Fund, disputes EMU's claims the bill could cause the university to lose its accreditation. He told AnnArbor.com the ACA code of ethics allows for counselor's to make referrals, as Ward did during her practicum -- an argument the ACA's Chief Professional Officer David Kaplan contradicted in written court testimony. Tedesco said he was happy to hear the news of the state House's recent vote. "We're encouraged that the elected representatives of Michigan have taken a concern in this case and decided to act," he told AnnArbor.com.
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Post by Hunny on Jun 18, 2012 16:32:29 GMT
This says it all. You can't make "just one" exception about discrimination. It will set a precedent, create a loophole, and then everything else will unravel.
Besides, there's a reason it's illegal to discriminate based on sexual orientation: it's wrong.
If this girl's religion prohibits her from doing a job, we dont start discriminating against a whole class of people over it, to make a workaround for her! She'll just have to accept that her religion imposes limitations (dont they usually?) *shrug*
And if her excuse is "her religion", then doesn't someone who that devoutly feels obligated to follow the Old Testament's instructions also "have to" kill and bury the gay person in question?
And by the same Biblical notion she defends her action with, doesn't she also have to not counsel any atheists, agnostics, or people who follow a different religion? (ie, "don't associate with non-believers")
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Sept 11, 2012 23:35:15 GMT
www.freep.com/article/20120911/NEWS06/309110052/Jury-trial-next-month-suit-over-ex-EMU-student-dismissed-after-declining-counsel-gay-client QUOTE: Jury trial next month in suit over ex-EMU student dismissed after declining to counsel gay clientSept. 11, 2012 A nationally-watched lawsuit pitting religious freedom versus discrimination against gay people is back on the front burner, with a jury trial scheduled for next month in federal court in Detroit. Former student Julea Ward is suing Eastern Michigan University, claiming EMU dismissed her from its counseling program because of her religious beliefs after she declined to counsel a gay client. Ward said she offered the client a referral to a different counselor. EMU has disputed that claim, saying she was dismissed for not following the American Counseling Association's code of ethics. On Monday, the two sides were in U.S. District Court arguing several motions in advance of a jury trial that is set to begin Oct. 15. Ward did not attend. When the trial starts, it will be the second time the case has been in federal court in Detroit. The first time, Judge George Steeh dismissed the case in a summary judgment. Ward and her attorneys from the Alliance Defense Fund appealed. In January, the U.S. 6th Circuit Court of Appeals ruled in Ward's favor, returning the case back to the lower court, saying the lawsuit deserved to have a jury trial. Just who would get to testify at that trial was the focus of Monday's hearing -- with Jeremy Tedesco of the Alliance Defense Fund arguing that two experts on the ACA code of ethics should not be allowed to testify. He tried to argue that the appellate court decided Ward did not violate the ACA code, and thus the two experts would be talking about something not at issue. In an argument agreed with by Steeh, EMU attorney Richard Seryak contended that all the appeals court did was to send the whole case back for a jury trial. He argued the higher court didn't limit any discussion about what the code of ethics says about referring clients to other counselors when they have opposing beliefs and about nondiscrimination. The lawsuit drew considerable attention the first go-around. Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette weighed in with a brief supporting Ward. Republican lawmakers in the state House made an unsuccessful attempt to get a law passed banning universities from discriminating against counseling students on the basis of religious beliefs. The majority of Michigan's public universities filed briefs in support of EMU, saying the case raised issues of academic freedom and a university's ability to set its curriculum. The Gay, Lesbian and Straight Education Network, the American Civil Liberties Union and a group called the Parents, Families, Friends of Lesbian and Gays also supported EMU. The American Center for Law and Justice, the Justice and Freedom Fund, the Foundation for Moral Law and the Beckett Fund for Religious Liberty filed in support of Ward.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Dec 16, 2012 20:09:53 GMT
One of the counselors who was expelled from a counseling class for not being approving of homosexuality will receive a $75,000- settlement from the university. Again Mrs. Ward did not decline to consel homosexuals, but declined to be approving of homosexuality. www.annarbor.com/news/ypsilanti/emu-resolves-case-of-julea-ward-former-student-kicked-out-of-program-for-declining-to-counsel-gay-cl/ QUOTE: EMU resolves case of Julea Ward, former student kicked out of program for declining to counsel gay clientMon, Dec 10, 2012 : 2:23 p.m. The case of a former Eastern Michigan University student kicked out of a counseling program after declining to counsel a gay client has reached a settlement, according to university officials. The former graduate student Julea Ward will be given a $75,000 settlement from the university. Ward was kicked out of the university's counseling program after she refused to affirm a gay client’s relationship during a practicum. Ward said she believes homosexuality is immoral and being gay is a choice and she could not in good conscience counsel the client. EMU vice president for communications Walter Kraft said in a statement EMU decided to resolve the litigation rather than continue to spend money on a costly trial. "The university’s insurance company, M.U.S.I.C., Michigan Universities Self-Insurance Corporation, will pay the cost of the settlement," Kraft said. The end of the case marks a nearly four-year battle between Ward and the university. Ward was a student in the university's graduate school counseling program, where she was training to become a counselor in the K-12 school system. Ward's legal counsel, Jeremy Tedesco, said he is pleased and feels that Ward's constitutionally protected rights have been "vindicated." "Public universities shouldn’t force students to violate their religious beliefs to get a degree. The Sixth Circuit rightly understood this and ruled appropriately, so the university has done the right thing in settling this case," Tedesco said. The Alliance Defense Fund filed suit against EMU in April of 2009. The lawsuit sought to stop the university from enforcing its policies that prohibit discrimination and require students in its counseling program to counsel students in conformance with the code of ethics of the American Counseling Association. Kraft said the resolution of the lawsuit will leave the university's policies, programs and curricular requirements intact. "The faculty retains its right to establish, in its learned judgment, the curriculum and program requirements for the counseling program at Eastern Michigan University," Kraft said. The university declined to further comment on the matter.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Mar 13, 2013 13:36:11 GMT
The state of Tennessee is sponsoring a bill to protect the rights of students like Julea Ward and allow them to refer clients to other counselors if their religious convictions prohibit them from affirming certain life styles.www.tennessean.com/article/20130311/NEWS0201/303110029/TN-bill-would-let-graduate-student-counselors-reject-clients-on-religious-grounds QUOTE: TN bill would let graduate-student counselors reject clients on religious groundsA bill in the state legislature would allow graduate-student counselors to reject clients for religious reasons. The measure would bar schools from disciplining students if they decline to treat clients with “goals, outcomes or behaviors that conflict with a sincerely held religious belief of the student.” It was inspired by a case in Michigan involving a Christian student named Julea Ward. She was expelled from a master’s degree program at Eastern Michigan University for refusing to counsel gay clients or clients who were sexually active but not married. She sued the school with help from Alliance Defending Freedom, a Phoenix-based Christian legal group. Ward eventually received a $75,000 settlement. The bill was drafted by conservative activist David Fowler, president of the Family Action Council of Tennessee, with help from Ward’s lawyers. A similar bill was signed into law in Arizona. Lawmakers in Michigan and Georgia have proposed similar bills. The Tennessee bill would bar schools from punishing students like Ward. The American Counseling Association, a national association for counselors, filed a friend-of-the-court brief in favor of Eastern Michigan University. That brief claimed students should not be allowed to use religion to turn down clients. Fowler said that claim violates the religious freedom of students. “The legal arguments made by the accrediting bodies against Ms. Ward in her case made it clear that the trend in at least psychology is against religious liberty and in favor of government-mandated speech,” he said in an email. But the head of the counseling program at a Nashville-based Christian university said the bill is a bad idea. Jake Morris, director of the graduate program in counseling at Lipscomb University, said students need to be able to treat a wide range of clients, not just those who share their religious values. “I want my students to be able to help anyone who walks in their door,” he said. For example, if a student thinks divorce is sinful, that student still needs to know how to treat clients who have gone through a divorce.” Students, Morris said, should be exposed to a wide range of clients while in training. That will help them become competent professionals. “We are health care professionals,” he said. “We need to act like it.” Fowler also said the bill would require students to consult with their supervisors to refer clients to another counselor in case of a conflict so that no harm comes to the client. The Senate version of the bill is sponsored by Sen. Joey Hensley, R-Hohenwald. The House version is sponsored by Rep. John J. DeBerry Jr., D-Memphis. Neither responded to requests for comment. The state Senate is scheduled to discuss the bill today, while a House subcommittee is scheduled to take it up on Tuesday.
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Post by Hunny on Mar 13, 2013 14:58:54 GMT
Julea Ward should NEVER have received a settlement . She wasn't hard done by, she was simply UNQUALIFIED FOR THE JOB! And my guess would be this is a republican sponsored bill..because they're the only people who want to make America a theocracy and to exclude certain people from things.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Mar 14, 2013 6:17:54 GMT
Dearest Hunny! Religious belief is a 1st Admenment Right! The attempt to force all those studying to be counselors to accept the "religion of humanism" or go underground and be a hypocrite to get a job as a counselor is an outrage! It is the beginning of the end for the 1st Admendment, if Mrs. Julea Ward and others don't win this struggle hands down.
It should be no problem for a homosexual to accept a referral to a counselor willing to affirm homosexuality and promote that life style! There is no reason or justification to deny Julea Ward and others the right to counsel those struggling with other issues and not trying to live a lifestyle that is contrary to the counselors' religious convictions!
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Post by Hunny on Mar 14, 2013 12:24:36 GMT
She wasnt just refusing to serve gays, she was refusing to serve anyone living together outside of marriage. She wasn't fit for the job.
She has no grounds for a suit or complaint if she was simply not suitable for the work. It's that simple.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2013 16:39:19 GMT
I don't think people should be punished for thier opinions.
To me that's the bottom line
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