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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 1, 2010 13:49:34 GMT
there is a lot of lunacy here, but, it spells out exactly why dumbya was selected to run for president. these clowns needed someone who would follow orders, and all the way back to 1997, when they hallucinated this stupidity, dumbya got the nod www.newamericancentury.org/
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Post by clemiethedog on Apr 1, 2010 18:08:22 GMT
Billy Kristol was an almost Rasputin like figure to the Neo-cons. "oh tell me, o wise one...where do we bomb next?"
I remember that damn group. What they fail to mention is that Hussein, once the sanctions were lifted, wanted to give the rights to Total (owned by the French) and sell it in Euros. The folks of Exxon-Mobil demanded action. They got it.
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Post by beth on Apr 1, 2010 21:03:32 GMT
there is a lot of lunacy here, but, it spells out exactly why dumbya was selected to run for president. these clowns needed someone who would follow orders, and all the way back to 1997, when they hallucinated this stupidity, dumbya got the nod www.newamericancentury.org/ Well well This site was down for awhile a few months ago. Glad to see it's back up. To see who is involved and not afraid to sign in - go to the Letters/Statements option on the left of the page, then, scroll all the way down and click on Statement of Principles. Then, scroll down and down until you come to a list of names - many very familiar.
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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 1, 2010 21:23:17 GMT
Billy Kristol was an almost Rasputin like figure to the Neo-cons. "oh tell me, o wise one...where do we bomb next?" I remember that damn group. What they fail to mention is that Hussein, once the sanctions were lifted, wanted to give the rights to Total (owned by the French) and sell it in Euros. The folks of Exxon-Mobil demanded action. They got it. yep. dumbya, dickey boy, donnie, et all chose to kill four thousand americans to give exxon mobil that action
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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 1, 2010 21:26:36 GMT
there is a lot of lunacy here, but, it spells out exactly why dumbya was selected to run for president. these clowns needed someone who would follow orders, and all the way back to 1997, when they hallucinated this stupidity, dumbya got the nod www.newamericancentury.org/ Well well This site was down for awhile a few months ago. Glad to see it's back up. To see who is involved and not afraid to sign in - go to the Letters/Statements option on the left of the page, then, scroll all the way down and click on Statement of Principles. Then, scroll down and down until you come to a list of names - many very familiar. i wrote the disclaimer because there is so much there. most people aren't going to want to read most of the lunacy, but, it certainly spells out exactly the line that dumbya was following. for those folks who want to know the truth, i figured i should give it to them. too many people, such as das, are willing to be persuaded by the stupidity of idiots like coulter, rush et al who spew nothing but lies. time for the truth, for a change
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Apr 1, 2010 22:01:32 GMT
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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 2, 2010 6:35:38 GMT
for sure, it's just chocked full of nuggets for those on the lower rungs of the intellectual ladder. folks with a lack of rational reasoning ability just eat it up. nonetheless lad, the fact is that both beth and i have explained the pnac stupidity to you more than a few times before this i only posted this this time so that our euro friends who aren't aware of the pnac imbeciles would understand the real reason dumbya invaded iraq
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Post by mouse on Apr 2, 2010 6:48:49 GMT
i think we were all aware that bush was simply a manipulated front man for the aims and ambitions of others thick as a brick told what to do
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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 2, 2010 10:40:24 GMT
i think we were all aware that bush was simply a manipulated front man for the aims and ambitions of others thick as a brick told what to do you'd be surprised how many folks aren't smart enough to be aware of it. that's precisely why he was handpicked to be the puppet, and so many fools followed him
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Apr 2, 2010 23:08:55 GMT
What a complete and total crock that is. Just pathetic.
GW Bush was one of the few Presidents in our history with a compass and opinions of his own that weren't written for him by is press agent. That's what I liked most about him. He put his own beliefs and values on the line. He never felt the need, like Clinton, to conduct an overnight popularity poll to find out what to think.
He told it as he saw it. He made the tough decisions. He made the right decisions. The world is a safer place because he was President and because Tony Blair was in England.
Tony is another guy I admire. He was a guy in the wrong party (the Labor Party) who was able to apply common sense and rise above the political shackles of the wrong party.
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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 3, 2010 0:04:51 GMT
What a complete and total crock that is. Just pathetic. GW Bush was one of the few Presidents in our history with a compass and opinions of his own that weren't written for him by is press agent. That's what I liked most about him. He put his own beliefs and values on the line. He never felt the need, like Clinton, to conduct an overnight popularity poll to find out what to think. He told it as he saw it. He made the tough decisions. He made the right decisions. The world is a safer place because he was President and because Tony Blair was in England. Tony is another guy I admire. He was a guy in the wrong party (the Labor Party) who was able to apply common sense and rise above the political shackles of the wrong party. you need more towels than i can send you for those dreams, lad
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Post by mouse on Apr 3, 2010 8:02:30 GMT
What a complete and total crock that is. Just pathetic. GW Bush was one of the few Presidents in our history with a compass and opinions of his own that weren't written for him by is press agent He told it as he saw it. He made the tough decisions. He made the right decisions. The world is a safer place because he was President and because Tony Blair was in England. Tony is another guy I admire. He was a guy in the wrong party (the Labor Party) who was able to apply common sense and rise above the political shackles of the wrong party. george had difficulty in stringing a sentence together and his lack of understanding was very apparent. ..the other apology for a human being tony the tit or tony bliar is one of the most reviled men in the UK a greedy manipulating lying self serving treacherous piece of xxxx along with his equally greedy nasty i want it all wife the world is a great deal unsafer because of those two men.. one day i hope blair will stand trial for murder..corruption and lies one day he will get his come uppence one way or tother how anyone can admire blair.....is mindbending for there is nothing admirable about him in any way shape or form...he is a total hyporcrite
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Post by mouse on Apr 3, 2010 9:41:31 GMT
Tony Blair 'has blighted Buckinghamshire village' A historic Buckinghamshire village has been blighted since Tony Blair moved into his £6m stately home, some neighbours claim. By Jon Swaine Published: 9:00AM BST 03 Apr 2010
Residents of Wotton Underwood say Mr Blair lives like a superstar and that they have had to endure helicopter noise and the presence of armed police.
One family has moved out, while others claim their children have been affected.
MPs' expenses: Tony Blair facing questions over the £296,000 mortgage
The picturesque village has been made a designated security area under the Terrorism Act, allowing officers to stop and search passers-by and ban photography.
Mr Blair and his wife, Cherie, are also having building work carried out. One resident claimed that a phone line installed for Mr Blair, who remains in close contact with world leaders, was mistakenly connected to her fax machine.
The complaints came as Mr Blair returned to national politics on Tuesday with a speech in support of Labour’s election campaign.
The Blairs bought South Pavilion, a 17th-century home in the village, for £5.75 million in May 2008.
The Grade I-listed property, once home to Sir John Gielgud, has seven bedrooms, ornamental gardens, a tennis court and swimming pool. It is the most valuable property in the Blairs’ £12 million portfolio.
Neighbours in Wotton Underwood, which was listed in the Domesday Book, claimed that their lives had been disrupted by helicopters.
"I don’t like the noise at all, it’s quite scary and nearly knocks my windows out," said Ellen Daly.
Rosamund Odling-Smee, a librarian, said: "It’s slightly better than having a pop star live here — but only just."
Others complained about Mr Blair’s security operation, which comprised 20 officers and cost the public £6 million a year – more than any other public figure.
"It was extremely selfish of them to believe they could have a home, with all the armed police, in such a tiny village," said a neighbour.
"People moved away because of police arriving at six in the morning. It was too disturbing.
"Parents were appalled to see armed police standing in the village. Their little boys started making guns with their hands."
Locals have also been irritated by changes carried out by the Blairs, with Mrs Daly feeling an immediate impact.
"For a week or two I lost coverage on my fax and internet line," she said. "I went through so many phone calls trying to sort out the problem.
"In the end, when engineers came out, they found my line had been swapped with the new line that had gone into Tony Blair’s. It was a lot of hassle."
When The Daily Telegraph visited this week, builders’ vehicles drove repeatedly through the village, where the only other noise was an occasional pheasant call.
The Blairs have erected an equipment store and mess room and turned their gardener’s cottage into a guesthouse.
Residents made submissions to the local council objecting to "overdevelopment" of the site, but the plans were approved. Plans for a "sports pavilion" with sauna and steam room are awaiting approval.
Doris Gibson, a pensioner, said: "Other people haven’t been able to get planning permission. Why should he?"
and no one seems to know where his money is comming from
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Post by mouse on Apr 3, 2010 9:50:26 GMT
By Gordon Rayner Published: 10:08AM BST 03 Apr 2010 'His lifestyle involves moving between five-star hotels and mansions' Tony Blair was merely a prime minister when he made his last major speech at the Trimdon Labour Club in 2007. After being burdened with the inconvenience of running the country for 10 years, he could not stop grinning as he announced that he was quitting not only Downing Street, but Parliament itself, freeing him from the constraints of public service. History will not judge kindly Tony Blair's decision to invade Iraq Can you win our quiz of the year?On Tuesday, as Mr Blair returned to Trimdon to endorse Gordon Brown, his former constituents got their first close-up view of just how much better life had become for “our Tony” since he began his “journey” (as he would say) into the private sector.
With skin burnished to a dark ochre by unbroken exposure to the world’s sunniest climes and worry lines long faded away, Mr Blair made those around him look anaemic. Gone were the “blokeish” glottal stops in his speech that used to remind us that he was a “pretty straight sort of guy”, replaced by a mid-Atlantic twang that was far more user-friendly to his fee-paying audiences around the world.
But it was not Mr Blair’s physical appearance, nor even his glowing tribute to his sometime friend Mr Brown, that provided the greatest surprise of his visit to Sedgefield. It was the discovery that Mr Blair now employed 130 people in his ever-expanding business and charity empire, with the wage bill for “Blair Incorporated” thought to be £10 million to £20 million.
Incredible as it may seem, it means that all previous estimates of Mr Blair’s personal wealth — usually put at £20 million since he left office — appear to have been more than a little on the conservative side.
Sources close to Mr Blair say his earnings are “several multiples” of the figures that have been quoted in the past, suggesting that £50 million or even £60 million would be closer to the mark, although his spokesman described such a suggestion as “simply ludicrous”.
We will never know the truth, of course, because Mr Blair has set up a mind-boggling web of companies through which he can channel his earnings without having to declare publicly all of his income. The only two Blair companies that filed accounts had a combined income of £11.7 million in 2008-09.
However, a conversation Mr Blair had this week with his former agent, John Burton, provided a telling glimpse of what lay behind his veil of secrecy.
“I said, 'How many people do you employ’, and he said 130,” Mr Burton later disclosed, unable to disguise his bewilderment. “I mean it was 25 about two years ago and he said to me [then], 'I have got to earn £5 million a year to pay the wages’, so God knows what he has got to earn now to pay the wages.”
The fact that Mr Blair now employed five times as many people would suggest that his wage bill could be five times as high, though the real figure was likely to be rather less, as most of his more recent appointments were thought to have been in relatively junior posts.
Nevertheless, Mr Blair is undoubtedly generous to his most senior staff, many of whom loyally followed him from Downing Street to The Office of Tony Blair, as he calls his umbrella organisation.
They include Ruth Turner, 39, Mr Blair’s former head of government relations, who was arrested during the “cash for honours” investigation (though not charged with any offence). She is chief executive of the Tony Blair Faith Foundation, a charity that promotes better understanding between religions, and is richly rewarded.
Its accounts show that its two highest-paid staff, one of whom is Miss Turner, earn between £110,000 and £120,000 per year, which comes from charitable income. That is more than the chief executive of Oxfam, which employs 5,000 people.
Miss Turner’s impressive pay packet is likely to be matched by others working in Mr Blair’s headquarters in Grosvenor Square, Mayfair. Top earners are thought to include Matthew Doyle, Mr Blair’s political director, who was his deputy director of communications at No 10; Kate Gross, the chief executive of Mr Blair’s Africa Governance Initiative, who was one of his private secretaries; and Jeanette Pickard, who was manager of Mr Blair’s constituency office in Sedgefield before being elevated to chief executive of the Tony Blair Sports Foundation.
However much he pays his staff, it seems there is plenty left over for life’s little comforts. One recent guest at South Pavilion in Wotton Underwood, Bucks, which is Tony and Cherie Blair’s £5.75 million country house, said the couple “live like royalty”, with up to 20 staff tending to their needs.
“They are living far more lavishly then when Tony was prime minister,” said the source. “Their country home is incredible. They seem to have a lot of staff and the furnishings are breathtaking. A lot of the people he socialises with are billionaires, and his lifestyle involves moving between five-star hotels and mansions around the world, always in private jets and helicopters.”
In one recent spree, Mrs Blair spent more than £250,000 on Georgian and Regency furniture for the 18th-century house, which was previously the home of Sir John Gielgud. The Blairs were also able to pay cash for a £1.13 million mews house in London for their second son, Nicky, who is a teacher.
Exactly where the money comes from is something Mr Blair would rather we did not know. He was so sensitive about a deal with UI Energy Corporation, a South Korean oil firm, that he kept it secret for almost two years, persuading a parliamentary committee that vetted the work of former ministers that it was “commercially sensitive”.
What was perhaps even more sensitive for Mr Blair was that UI had extensive interests in Iraq, which opened up to foreign companies once British forces helped topple Saddam Hussein.
Mr Blair also earned a £4.6 million advance for his memoirs, The Journey, out later this year; an estimated £1 million from the Kuwaiti royal family for producing a report on the future of the oil-rich state; and £2.5 million for consultancies with JP Morgan and Zurich Financial Services.
There is also the small matter of the £63,468 pension he already receives, and his taxpayer-funded office allowance of £84,000 per year. He charges up to £200,000 for speeches. His next appointments are in Singapore and Malaysia, where it is not too late to pay £430 to hear “a fascinating account of where the world is heading”. But the key to Mr Blair’s wealth almost certainly lies in the opaque dealings of Tony Blair Associates, the company he established last year to carry out consultancy work for foreign governments. Deals with the United Arab Emirates and Kuwait are already rumoured to be on the cards; figures of £5 million per year have been guessed at.
Money earned by Tony Blair Associates is likely to be paid into one of six companies registered by Mr Blair, all of which have names beginning with either Windrush or Firerush. Two of them reported a combined income of £11.7 million for the last financial year, but details of where the money came from, and how much of it was paid to Mr Blair, were not revealed.
so our pretty straight kind of guy emplys 130 people....and has money to burn it would apear...not bad going for a socialist on the make....... the whole thing stinks to high heaven
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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 3, 2010 11:03:22 GMT
What a complete and total crock that is. Just pathetic. GW Bush was one of the few Presidents in our history with a compass and opinions of his own that weren't written for him by is press agent He told it as he saw it. He made the tough decisions. He made the right decisions. The world is a safer place because he was President and because Tony Blair was in England. Tony is another guy I admire. He was a guy in the wrong party (the Labor Party) who was able to apply common sense and rise above the political shackles of the wrong party. george had difficulty in stringing a sentence together and his lack of understanding was very apparent. ..the other apology for a human being tony the tit or tony bliar is one of the most reviled men in the UK a greedy manipulating lying self serving treacherous piece of xxxx along with his equally greedy nasty i want it all wife the world is a great deal unsafer because of those two men.. one day i hope blair will stand trial for murder..corruption and lies one day he will get his come uppence one way or tother how anyone can admire blair.....is mindbending for there is nothing admirable about him in any way shape or form...he is a total hyporcrite blair did a hell of a lot more for you than dumbya ever did for americans, which was absolutely NOTHING.. at least tony's primary goal wasn't the destruction of your economy, at least until dumbya got started ruining ours
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Post by mouse on Apr 3, 2010 12:45:04 GMT
no just the DESTRUCTION of our country and our people our system ...a hell of a lot more than george ever did..tonys primary goal was achieved AS OUR COUNTRY WILL NEVER be the same... as was his 2nd which was to become a rich man..the man wants hanging
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Post by iamjumbo on Apr 3, 2010 13:47:12 GMT
no just the DESTRUCTION of our country and our people our system ...a hell of a lot more than george ever did..tonys primary goal was achieved AS OUR COUNTRY WILL NEVER be the same... as was his 2nd which was to become a rich man..the man wants hanging OUR country will never be the same, thanks to dumbya. he destroyed the economy, AND made four thousand mothers without children simply to give haliburton and exxon mobil more profit. you can't get worse than that
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Post by clemiethedog on Apr 3, 2010 14:30:22 GMT
The two most infomrative books I've read on Iraq are The Assassins' Gate by George Packer and Fiasco by Thomas Ricks. Excellent background material along with first hand accounts.
The most glaring act of stupidity by Bush, Blair, and Co. was that the declared enemy, radical Islam, was ignored when they went after Hussien, a secular leader. The "War on Terror" is indeed only a metaphor.
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Post by mouse on Apr 3, 2010 15:35:22 GMT
no just the DESTRUCTION of our country and our people our system ...a hell of a lot more than george ever did..tonys primary goal was achieved AS OUR COUNTRY WILL NEVER be the same... as was his 2nd which was to become a rich man..the man wants hanging OUR country will never be the same, thanks to dumbya. he destroyed the economy, AND made four thousand mothers without children simply to give haliburton and exxon mobil more profit. you can't get worse than that oh yes you can..the economy can recover...but giving your country away to a foriegn entity and then flooding it with people who have no knowledge or love for it and destroying the system is about as destructive as you can get...on top of which a quick re-write of history bobs yer uncle fannies yer aunt and the EU has control and all without a shot being fired
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Post by mouse on Apr 3, 2010 15:40:22 GMT
the war on terror the bigest excuse to take away liberties and freedoms since king john tried to flex his muscles there is no and never has been a war on terror...smoke and mirrors and yes they went after hussain instead of the saudis cos georgies daddy was a friend of the saudis and lots of people benefit from the saudis...so we must be very nice to the saudis and turn a blind eye to the creep creep creep of the saudis who have a finger in every pie..from banking to schools to uni to oil to etc etc etc etc
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