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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 28, 2010 10:30:27 GMT
I call them as I see them. You'll never really see them, das, as long as you're looking the other way. What is that biblical quote? "There are none so blind as those who will not see." ? it's just so hard to see with their heads so deep in the sand
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Post by clemiethedog on Mar 28, 2010 14:50:33 GMT
"did he protest the french military action in vietnam?"
Doubtful. Dienbienphu fell in 1954, and this guy was around 12 at the time.
War is sometimes necessary, such as national survival or honoring a committment, but too often it could have been avoided. Had the Soviets invaded western Europe, for example, I would have supported it and probably had fought in it. Sometimes wars start because too much of the populace forgot just how awful it is for both the victor and the vanquished. The US came out of WWII in relatively good shape, and that may explain the war fever. Certainly the jackasses behind the Iraq invasion never experienced war.
My opposition to the Iraq invasion was for economic, humanitarian, and strategic reasons. Mostly I was protesting the Bush Administration for their lying, their manipulation of public emotion, and their hypocricy.
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 28, 2010 15:24:03 GMT
"did he protest the french military action in vietnam?" Doubtful. Dienbienphu fell in 1954, and this guy was around 12 at the time. War is sometimes necessary, such as national survival or honoring a committment, but too often it could have been avoided. Had the Soviets invaded western Europe, for example, I would have supported it and probably had fought in it. Sometimes wars start because too much of the populace forgot just how awful it is for both the victor and the vanquished. The US came out of WWII in relatively good shape, and that may explain the war fever. Certainly the jackasses behind the Iraq invasion never experienced war. My opposition to the Iraq invasion was for economic, humanitarian, and strategic reasons. Mostly I was protesting the Bush Administration for their lying, their manipulation of public emotion, and their hypocricy. that's certainly justification for protesting the invasion. there was NEVER a legitimate reason. the ONLY reason that dumbya invaded iraq was because, back in 1997, a bunch of lunatics hallucinated the project for a new american century, with the primary goal of world domination, and control of iraqi oil, and iraq itself, was a cornerstone of that lunacy. there was NOTHING that dumbya, dickey boy, donnie, nor any of the rest that had a single element of truth to it obviously, war is necessary. only the very stupid even think about something as irrational as world peace. as long as there are two humans on earth, by definition, world peace will not, and could never, exist
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Post by mouse on Mar 28, 2010 15:34:45 GMT
"e] Sometimes wars start because too much of the populace forgot just how awful it is for both the victor and the vanquished. The US came out of WWII in relatively good shape, absolutely..was never bombed..never starved..never invaded......i think the american populace fell in love with war heros and the myth of war stories via hollywood...reality is rather different
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Mar 28, 2010 22:54:34 GMT
American mothers lost a lot of their sons in WWII. They were not spared the pain of war.
I completely and totally agree with Ann Coulter's views on the Iraq war. Bush did the right thing. It's been successful. Get over it.
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Post by mouse on Mar 29, 2010 7:40:25 GMT
American mothers lost a lot of their sons in WWII. They were not spared the pain of war. I completely and totally agree with Ann Coulter's views on the Iraq war. Bush did the right thing. It's been successful. Get over it. i am not denying the loss of life in ww1 or 2 what i said was you were not bombed..you didnt starve..you were not occupied..and your children slept at night irak was wrong on all counts....our prime minister openly lied to us...saddam was not a threat to us..neither was or is afghanistan all irak did was harden attitudes and entrench iran all afghanistan has done is provide a training ground al quaida is not beaten...nor is the mindset ..instead the mindset has spread like a virus.. the world is a more dangerous place because of the prancing around irak and afghanistan....these SO CALLED wars have solved nothing..cost a fortune and of course made a fortune for various sections and individuals....
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 29, 2010 10:17:17 GMT
American mothers lost a lot of their sons in WWII. They were not spared the pain of war. I completely and totally agree with Ann Coulter's views on the Iraq war. Bush did the right thing. It's been successful. Get over it. and since everyone with an iq above forty, and the willingness to use it, knows that ann is an ignorant lunatic, that don't say much for you lad
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 29, 2010 10:22:47 GMT
American mothers lost a lot of their sons in WWII. They were not spared the pain of war. I completely and totally agree with Ann Coulter's views on the Iraq war. Bush did the right thing. It's been successful. Get over it. i am not denying the loss of life in ww1 or 2 what i said was you were not bombed..you didnt starve..you were not occupied..and your children slept at night irak was wrong on all counts....our prime minister openly lied to us...saddam was not a threat to us..neither was or is afghanistan all irak did was harden attitudes and entrench iran all afghanistan has done is provide a training ground al quaida is not beaten...nor is the mindset ..instead the mindset has spread like a virus.. the world is a more dangerous place because of the prancing around irak and afghanistan....these SO CALLED wars have solved nothing..cost a fortune and of course made a fortune for various sections and individuals.... tony didn't make up the lies he told. he simply repeated the lies that dumbya and dickey boy made up and told him. of course, you're still wrong about afghanistan, but, you're right that iraq is ONLY about killing as many americans as possible to make more profit for haliburton. since that was dumbya and dickey boy's goal, yeah, they succeeded
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Post by mouse on Mar 29, 2010 12:17:43 GMT
am not wrong about afghanistan.....and BLAIR lied and lied and lied again and followed like a lickspittal....he wanted the hand of history..well he will get is buckets afghanistan is a waste of lives and money...and has and will gain nothing and untill the USA look at the real problem the problem will remain....saudi...but the geni is out of the bottle
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Post by pumpkinette on Mar 29, 2010 14:49:01 GMT
I call them as I see them. You'll never really see them, das, as long as you're looking the other way. What is that biblical quote? "There are none so blind as those who will not see." ? People in glass houses...
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Post by pumpkinette on Mar 31, 2010 16:40:47 GMT
One of my favorite columnists manages, once again, to hit the proverbial nail on the head. If anyone is at all interested in trying to understand what is happening here - this will help. An Absence of Class By BOB HERBERT Published: March 22, 2010 Some of the images from the run-up to Sunday’s landmark health care vote in the House of Representatives should be seared into the nation’s consciousness. We are so far, in so many ways, from being a class act. Some of the images from the run-up to Sunday’s landmark health care vote in the House of Representatives should be seared into the nation’s consciousness. We are so far, in so many ways, from being a class act. A group of lowlifes at a Tea Party rally in Columbus, Ohio, last week taunted and humiliated a man who was sitting on the ground with a sign that said he had Parkinson’s disease. The disgusting behavior was captured on a widely circulated videotape. One of the Tea Party protesters leaned over the man and sneered: “If you’re looking for a handout, you’re in the wrong end of town.” Another threw money at the man, first one bill and then another, and said contemptuously, “I’ll pay for this guy. Here you go. Start a pot.” In Washington on Saturday, opponents of the health care legislation spit on a black congressman and shouted racial slurs at two others, including John Lewis, one of the great heroes of the civil rights movement. Barney Frank, a Massachusetts Democrat who is chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, was taunted because he is gay. At some point, we have to decide as a country that we just can’t have this: We can’t allow ourselves to remain silent as foaming-at-the-mouth protesters scream the vilest of epithets at members of Congress — epithets that The Times will not allow me to repeat here. It is 2010, which means it is way past time for decent Americans to rise up against this kind of garbage, to fight it aggressively wherever it appears. And it is time for every American of good will to hold the Republican Party accountable for its role in tolerating, shielding and encouraging foul, mean-spirited and bigoted behavior in its ranks and among its strongest supporters. For decades the G.O.P. has been the party of fear, ignorance and divisiveness. All you have to do is look around to see what it has done to the country. The greatest economic inequality since the Gilded Age was followed by a near-total collapse of the overall economy. As a country, we have a monumental mess on our hands and still the Republicans have nothing to offer in the way of a remedy except more tax cuts for the rich. This is the party of trickle down and weapons of mass destruction, the party of birthers and death-panel lunatics. This is the party that genuflects at the altar of right-wing talk radio, with its insane, nauseating, nonstop commitment to hatred and bigotry. Glenn Beck of Fox News has called President Obama a “racist” and asserted that he “has exposed himself as a guy, over and over and over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture.” Mike Huckabee, a former Republican presidential candidate, has said of Mr. Obama’s economic policies: “Lenin and Stalin would love this stuff.” The G.O.P. poisons the political atmosphere and then has the gall to complain about an absence of bipartisanship. The toxic clouds that are the inevitable result of the fear and the bitter conflicts so relentlessly stoked by the Republican Party — think blacks against whites, gays versus straights, and a whole range of folks against immigrants — tend to obscure the tremendous damage that the party’s policies have inflicted on the country. If people are arguing over immigrants or abortion or whether gays should be allowed to marry, they’re not calling the G.O.P. to account for (to take just one example) the horribly destructive policy of cutting taxes while the nation was fighting two wars. If you’re all fired up about Republican-inspired tales of Democrats planning to send grandma to some death chamber, you’ll never get to the G.O.P.’s war against the right of ordinary workers to organize and negotiate in their own best interests — a war that has diminished living standards for working people for decades. With a freer hand, the Republicans would have done more damage. George W. Bush tried to undermine Social Security. John McCain was willing to put Sarah Palin a heartbeat away from the Oval Office and thought Phil Gramm would have made a crackerjack Treasury secretary. (For those who may not remember, Mr. Gramm was a deregulation zealot who told us during the presidential campaign that we were suffering from a “mental recession.”) A party that promotes ignorance (“Just say no to global warming”) and provides a safe house for bigotry cannot serve the best interests of our country. Back in the 1960s, John Lewis risked his life and endured savage beatings to secure fundamental rights for black Americans while right-wing Republicans like Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan were lining up with segregationist Democrats to oppose landmark civil rights legislation. Since then, the right-wingers have taken over the G.O.P. and Mr. Lewis, now a congressman, must still endure the garbage they have wrought. www.nytimes.com/2010/03/23/opinion/23herbert.html?src=me&ref=general You know what's SO STRANGE and SCARY? The other day I heard Phil Berg, the founder of "birther" movement, interviewed on the radio and he said he's NEVER been for using violence and isn't now. WOW! I mean, he totally contradicted this article! Berg said he's also sick and tired of the lie that he's FOR violence. I JUST noticed the link to this article has the word OPINION in it. UH OH! That means it should be written off, doesn't it? Like at least 1 of the sources that BushAdmirer uses that HAS opinion pieces on it? Oh wait, I forgot...since THIS article is saying all the Republicans are evil, etc. then it's OK that it has that word in the link! Whew! What a RELIEF! ;D
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Post by beth on Mar 31, 2010 17:08:43 GMT
nooooo Laura - the difference is, this article is presented as an opinion piece - the other was presented as factual i.e. news. I'm so glad Lin doesn't have her emoticons animated. Otherwise, there would be tongue and spittle all over the page, eh? yuk
Just wondering - are you part of the birther cult?
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Post by iamjumbo on Mar 31, 2010 21:43:34 GMT
One of my favorite columnists manages, once again, to hit the proverbial nail on the head. If anyone is at all interested in trying to understand what is happening here - this will help. An Absence of Class By BOB HERBERT Published: March 22, 2010 Some of the images from the run-up to Sunday’s landmark health care vote in the House of Representatives should be seared into the nation’s consciousness. We are so far, in so many ways, from being a class act. Some of the images from the run-up to Sunday’s landmark health care vote in the House of Representatives should be seared into the nation’s consciousness. We are so far, in so many ways, from being a class act. A group of lowlifes at a Tea Party rally in Columbus, Ohio, last week taunted and humiliated a man who was sitting on the ground with a sign that said he had Parkinson’s disease. The disgusting behavior was captured on a widely circulated videotape. One of the Tea Party protesters leaned over the man and sneered: “If you’re looking for a handout, you’re in the wrong end of town.” Another threw money at the man, first one bill and then another, and said contemptuously, “I’ll pay for this guy. Here you go. Start a pot.” In Washington on Saturday, opponents of the health care legislation spit on a black congressman and shouted racial slurs at two others, including John Lewis, one of the great heroes of the civil rights movement. Barney Frank, a Massachusetts Democrat who is chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, was taunted because he is gay. At some point, we have to decide as a country that we just can’t have this: We can’t allow ourselves to remain silent as foaming-at-the-mouth protesters scream the vilest of epithets at members of Congress — epithets that The Times will not allow me to repeat here. It is 2010, which means it is way past time for decent Americans to rise up against this kind of garbage, to fight it aggressively wherever it appears. And it is time for every American of good will to hold the Republican Party accountable for its role in tolerating, shielding and encouraging foul, mean-spirited and bigoted behavior in its ranks and among its strongest supporters. For decades the G.O.P. has been the party of fear, ignorance and divisiveness. All you have to do is look around to see what it has done to the country. The greatest economic inequality since the Gilded Age was followed by a near-total collapse of the overall economy. As a country, we have a monumental mess on our hands and still the Republicans have nothing to offer in the way of a remedy except more tax cuts for the rich. This is the party of trickle down and weapons of mass destruction, the party of birthers and death-panel lunatics. This is the party that genuflects at the altar of right-wing talk radio, with its insane, nauseating, nonstop commitment to hatred and bigotry. Glenn Beck of Fox News has called President Obama a “racist” and asserted that he “has exposed himself as a guy, over and over and over again, who has a deep-seated hatred for white people or the white culture.” Mike Huckabee, a former Republican presidential candidate, has said of Mr. Obama’s economic policies: “Lenin and Stalin would love this stuff.” The G.O.P. poisons the political atmosphere and then has the gall to complain about an absence of bipartisanship. The toxic clouds that are the inevitable result of the fear and the bitter conflicts so relentlessly stoked by the Republican Party — think blacks against whites, gays versus straights, and a whole range of folks against immigrants — tend to obscure the tremendous damage that the party’s policies have inflicted on the country. If people are arguing over immigrants or abortion or whether gays should be allowed to marry, they’re not calling the G.O.P. to account for (to take just one example) the horribly destructive policy of cutting taxes while the nation was fighting two wars. If you’re all fired up about Republican-inspired tales of Democrats planning to send grandma to some death chamber, you’ll never get to the G.O.P.’s war against the right of ordinary workers to organize and negotiate in their own best interests — a war that has diminished living standards for working people for decades. With a freer hand, the Republicans would have done more damage. George W. Bush tried to undermine Social Security. John McCain was willing to put Sarah Palin a heartbeat away from the Oval Office and thought Phil Gramm would have made a crackerjack Treasury secretary. (For those who may not remember, Mr. Gramm was a deregulation zealot who told us during the presidential campaign that we were suffering from a “mental recession.”) A party that promotes ignorance (“Just say no to global warming”) and provides a safe house for bigotry cannot serve the best interests of our country. Back in the 1960s, John Lewis risked his life and endured savage beatings to secure fundamental rights for black Americans while right-wing Republicans like Barry Goldwater and Ronald Reagan were lining up with segregationist Democrats to oppose landmark civil rights legislation. Since then, the right-wingers have taken over the G.O.P. and Mr. Lewis, now a congressman, must still endure the garbage they have wrought. www.nytimes.com/2010/03/23/opinion/23herbert.html?src=me&ref=general You know what's SO STRANGE and SCARY? The other day I heard Phil Berg, the founder of "birther" movement, interviewed on the radio and he said he's NEVER been for using violence and isn't now. WOW! I mean, he totally contradicted this article! Berg said he's also sick and tired of the lie that he's FOR violence. I JUST noticed the link to this article has the word OPINION in it. UH OH! That means it should be written off, doesn't it? Like at least 1 of the sources that BushAdmirer uses that HAS opinion pieces on it? Oh wait, I forgot...since THIS article is saying all the Republicans are evil, etc. then it's OK that it has that word in the link! Whew! What a RELIEF! ;D there have been intelligent republicans. jacob javitz, mark hatfield, pete mccloskey all come to mind. the vast majority though, especially the past couple of decades, have been lunatics as far as the berg clown, he's like my ol' lady's brother. he'd never tell the truth about anything as long as he can dream up a lie
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Mar 31, 2010 23:10:14 GMT
Bob Herbert is a far left radical and an ultra-moron masquerading as a journalist.
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Post by beth on Apr 1, 2010 1:47:07 GMT
My guess is you never heard of him until you read that, most excellent, article. Here's his Wiki. Good journalist who has worked hard and paid his dues. More moderate than extreme, but definitely leaning left. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bob_Herbert
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Post by pumpkinette on Apr 1, 2010 10:22:29 GMT
nooooo Laura - the difference is, this article is presented as an opinion piece - the other was presented as factual i.e. news. I'm so glad Lin doesn't have her emoticons animated. Otherwise, there would be tongue and spittle all over the page, eh? yuk Just wondering - are you part of the birther cult? Cult... ...You really fall for those labels, don't you? If I say I am, I KNOW how much that'll help my popularity online! ;D NO, I'm NOT on Berg's mailing list and don't belong to any specific birther list, organization, etc. However, I have found the whole thing fascinating since I 1st found out about it when I was researching the presidential candidates before the election. I've read stuff online on BOTH sides, by the way, before I hear any screaming about how I only check out information on 1 side.
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Post by beth on Apr 1, 2010 13:10:03 GMT
Good for you, Laura. Skepticism is often a good idea, but, sometimes, benefit of the doubt is called for - especially if the truth makes more sense than a conspiracy theory.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Apr 1, 2010 22:09:03 GMT
Beth said, "My guess is you never heard of him until you read that"
No that's not true Beth. I've known about him along with the other NY Times left wing moronic columnists for a long time. He's right there with the other looney NY Times Op Ed columnists. The only good one is David Brooks. The rest are dumber than cement. The dumb ones include this yo yo Herbert who you've referenced, Maureen Dowd, Nicholas Kristof, and Paul Krugman. Trying to pick the ultra moron from that list is beyond my abilities. Surely there is no one dumber than Dowd. That is until you read one of Krugman's articles. And so on.
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