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Post by ♫anna♫ on Feb 9, 2010 12:35:11 GMT
I'm glad the Saints won, but didn't expect that! I think if Peyton Manning's pass wasn't intercepted by Tracy Porter in that key play the Colts would have won. The game was a lot closer than it seemed!
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 9, 2010 14:31:31 GMT
naw. the saints were, and are, all around the best team. i was quite concerned at halftime, because as i had feared, what defense the saints do have, had failed to show up to play. thankfully, they did arrive in time for the second half, and since brese is a better quarterback than manning, the saints prevailed as they should have. the person you had to feel sorry for was archie. he spent over a decade trying to get the saints to the super bowl, to absolutely no avail. when they finally get there, two decades later, his son is trying to beat them.
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Post by clemiethedog on Feb 9, 2010 18:15:07 GMT
Sean Payton made two great unconventional calls in this game: going for it on fourth and a long yard at the goal line late in the second quarter, and of course the onside kick to open the second half.
The first call didn't "work" but what happened illustrates why it's the right decision in that situation. After the play failed the Colts played conservatively since they had the ball at their own two and they were trying to just run out the clock. The subsequent punt gave New Orleans great field position. One first down later they were in FG position, so they ended up losing no points by not kicking the FG initially. Indeed if they had kicked the FG initially, Indy would have gotten the ball back with two minutes to go and probably pretty good field position. The game could easily have been 17-6 at the half.
The onside kick was brilliant -- surprise onside kicks are so rare that the recovery rate for them is far higher (55%) than for conventional situation onside kicks. Coming out of the locker room a fresh Peyton Manning was primed to slice the New Orleans defense apart on Indy's first possession, as indeed he did. But instead of giving the Colts a 17-6 lead midway through the third quarter, the TD ended up merely giving Indy the lead back they had by then lost. The kick fundamentally altered the shape of the game.
The value of the surprise onside kick leads to an interesting game theory dilemma -- surprise onside kicks are clearly an under-used strategy but they're underused because they're underused -- if they become too common their value will drop quite a bit because the recovery rate will fall as teams anticipate them.
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 9, 2010 20:52:54 GMT
Sean Payton made two great unconventional calls in this game: going for it on fourth and a long yard at the goal line late in the second quarter, and of course the onside kick to open the second half. The first call didn't "work" but what happened illustrates why it's the right decision in that situation. After the play failed the Colts played conservatively since they had the ball at their own two and they were trying to just run out the clock. The subsequent punt gave New Orleans great field position. One first down later they were in FG position, so they ended up losing no points by not kicking the FG initially. Indeed if they had kicked the FG initially, Indy would have gotten the ball back with two minutes to go and probably pretty good field position. The game could easily have been 17-6 at the half. The onside kick was brilliant -- surprise onside kicks are so rare that the recovery rate for them is far higher (55%) than for conventional situation onside kicks. Coming out of the locker room a fresh Peyton Manning was primed to slice the New Orleans defense apart on Indy's first possession, as indeed he did. But instead of giving the Colts a 17-6 lead midway through the third quarter, the TD ended up merely giving Indy the lead back they had by then lost. The kick fundamentally altered the shape of the game. The value of the surprise onside kick leads to an interesting game theory dilemma -- surprise onside kicks are clearly an under-used strategy but they're underused because they're underused -- if they become too common their value will drop quite a bit because the recovery rate will fall as teams anticipate them. pretty astute for the most part. for the reason you cited, i'd agree with the decision to go for it on 4th and goal. what annoys me is that there WAS a 4th and goal. drew had a receiver wide open in the end zone, and didn't see him. i believe that was on 3rd down, which would have eliminated the 4th. also, while the decision to go for it was fine, the decision to run was very dumb. the onside kick to begin the second half? it was pure genius. of course, that's because it worked. had the colts gotten lucky and recovered it, the game would have been over right there. you're right about it's future though. aside from the fact that few teams could carry it off to begin with, if everyone was doing it, the runback chaps would be up on the line everytime.
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 9, 2010 20:56:00 GMT
by the way hon, re your op. the saints had a crappy defense, but an opportunistic one, and they also created their own takeaways. that is what got them to the super bowl to begin with. granted, that was a downright stupid pass on manning's part, but, you don't win games throwing the ball to the other team, and he did. porter was in the right place, at the right time, just as he had been all season long
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