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Post by randomvioce on Jan 19, 2010 17:12:28 GMT
you are quite correct that the bible isn't keen on cohabitation without marriage. 'Isn't keen'!!! The bible isn't keen about sex outside marriage? Are you having a laugh? I would say that the bible and the church is more than 'not keen' on fornication! Here we have the biggest bible thumper on the message board, a man who sees things in pure 'right' or 'wrong' terms, a man who claims that these moral are to be taken as absolutes for all time, a man who thinks that anything condemned 2000 years ago should be equally condemned today without any plea of mitigation. A man who feels that he has the right to comment of anyone else's sexual history... ...yet feels that having slept over a hundred women, without being married to any of them is somehow better than two men sleeping together. You feel that sex outside of marriage is something the bible 'isn't too keen' on? This is why I despise Christians and the church. They are nothing but stinking hypocrits.
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Post by jean on Jan 19, 2010 17:13:21 GMT
I object in particular to the propaganda homosexual fairy tales that mock heterosexually, as seen with the portrayal of the princesses in "King & King". The one thing that would worry me would be that the rejected princesses were mocked for their appearance as women. I haven't been able to find any images from the book apart from the cover, and those contained in this very hostile site: www.massresistance.org/docs/issues/king_and_king/book.htmlThe comment is that all the princesses are portrayed in a rather nasty manner. And the prince, of course, didn't like any of them. On this princess from Africa: "Boy, those long arms will certainly come in handy when waving to the people," said the prince.Well, the reference to the Indian princess's long arms could even be a bit racist - but she is as far as I can see rather better-looking than the prince himself, so perhaps not so nasty after all (and the people writing the comments are under the impression that Bombay is in Africa, so probably not to be taken very seriously).
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Post by riotgrrl on Jan 19, 2010 17:19:13 GMT
Rapunzel is just plain filth with all that phallic imagery and the growing of hair is clearly about puberty. The more I think of it, all fairytales should be banned from schools. Rapunzel is imprisoned, but thanks to her great femininity (long hair) a prince rescues her. Both Sleeping Beauty and Snow White are asleep, unconscious, woken to adulthood by kiss from a prince. The Little Mermaid lived her life on the land in agony in order to ensure she bagged her prince; no personal cost too great, including purposeful disability. All great stuff to teach our daughters.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jan 19, 2010 17:23:08 GMT
Anna I have no idea if these kind of fairy stories are harmful to children or not, but if they are, I would certainly be equally suspicious of 'heterosexual' fairytales, as I've already said, and the effect they may have on young girls. Something like 'Snow White' is almost grooming them . . . I agree that some classical fairy tales should be modified! I like the version of "Little Red Riding Hood", where the wolf locks Grandma up in a closet and doesn't swallowed her. Ughh!
The perfect princes and princesses in the fairy tales don't exist and little "princesses" and "princes"should be taught that as well as a little healthy self criticism of themselves. That doesn't mean they have to run off with a dragon instead!
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 19, 2010 17:23:13 GMT
that really is stupid. i've seen this idiocy a dozen times, and i have yet to see any proof of the two males penguins actively engaging in homosexual sex, and that is the ONLY thing that would make them homosexual penguins. it's just another example of the abject stupidity of those pushing the gay agenda I agree! We have a lot of suspect, and deceitfully concocted PC expressions, like "platonic homosexuality". If the relationship is non-sexual never was and never will be associated with sexual practices then it is inappropriate to define the relationship as sexual, heterosexual or homosexual! In fairness to the book about the 2 male penguins there is no reference to homosexuality. Only these dumbed down PC teachers try to tell their students that the penguins are homosexuals! I would have no problem reading that penguin book to a child and warning him/her that the PC popes try to misuse this book to promote homosexuality. In reality it's about 2 male penguin friends, who raise a child together. It's SLANDER to call 2 males, who raise a child together homosexuals, if they don't practice the sexual acts! This YouTube video reports on homosexual fairy tales in British schools!
English children in Sutherland are being forced to read the "King & King", which i feel is absolutely inappropriate at best. The story about the penguins would be OK, if teachers didn't try to distort and misinterpret it.for sure, the idea that two guys, or two girls, shouldn't be friends is imbecillic on its face, and that is the ONLY thing that stupidity such as this is saying. of course, EVERYTHING pc is that way
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Post by Big Lin on Jan 19, 2010 17:35:30 GMT
Please, RV, you're doing it again!
Look, I've slept with about twenty blokes and half a dozen women. I fell in love twice, once with a girl and once with my husband.
I still consider myself a Christian and I don't have any problems with gay relationships as long as it's consenting adults.
If they want to get married that's fine by me too.
Please stop assuming that Christians are some monolithic bloc of semi-mythical demons who all think the same!
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jan 19, 2010 17:40:38 GMT
Sleeping Beauty is promoting Necrophilia. YIKES!! I suppose the intrepation of a fairy tale can vary widely. My mother used to play a record of the Disney rendition of Tchaikowsky's "The Ballad of Sleeping Beauty" to keep me dancing in circles and staying out of trouble, when i was about 3 or 4 years old.
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Post by randomvioce on Jan 19, 2010 17:46:02 GMT
Please stop assuming that Christians are some monolithic bloc of semi-mythical demons who all think the same! Yes, but you are in a minority, Lin. The vast majority of Christians come across as pompous asses. I find very little 'Christianity' among them.
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Post by Big Lin on Jan 19, 2010 17:52:40 GMT
Maybe you've just been unlucky with the one's you've met. I've met quite a few VICARS who are gay if it comes to that!
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Post by Big Lin on Jan 19, 2010 17:57:54 GMT
By the way, I remember reading a psychoanalyst who was convinced that Rapunzel was all about pubic hair!
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Post by randomvioce on Jan 19, 2010 17:58:57 GMT
Rapunzel is just plain filth with all that phallic imagery and the growing of hair is clearly about puberty. The more I think of it, all fairytales should be banned from schools. Rapunzel is imprisoned, but thanks to her great femininity (long hair) a prince rescues her. Both Sleeping Beauty and Snow White are asleep, unconscious, woken to adulthood by kiss from a prince. The Little Mermaid lived her life on the land in agony in order to ensure she bagged her prince; no personal cost too great, including purposeful disability. All great stuff to teach our daughters. Not only that, but many of these 'fairy tales' have been sanitized from folk tales. Most of the 'bad guys' die pretty brutal deaths (Cinderella for example) and had most of the Bawdy parts removed (snow white, the seven dwarfs needed a cleaner? Nope!) Every one of these stories re-inforce sterotypes. Every down trodden housemaid and orphan child become happy when they become enchanted by the 'handsome prince'. Cinderella for example, only becomes happy because she is found to be sexy by a rich prince! Not through her own hard work or happy with her life and marrying buttons. She is set up for life because she has dainty feet!
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Post by randomvioce on Jan 19, 2010 18:01:04 GMT
Maybe you've just been unlucky with the one's you've met. I've met quite a few VICARS who are gay if it comes to that! Oh, I don not doubt it for a second! I do not have a problem with most vicars, but more the 'in your face' political Christian movement.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jan 19, 2010 18:13:28 GMT
Please stop assuming that Christians are some monolithic bloc of semi-mythical demons who all think the same! Yes, but you are in a minority, Lin. The vast majority of Christians come across as pompous asses. I find very little 'Christianity' among them. Anyone who reads the New Testament will see that Christ always had people with bad reputations around him. Known prostitutes, collaborators with the Roman tyranny and other "sinful people". The holier than thou crowd were generally not the people Christ approached.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jan 19, 2010 19:19:18 GMT
By the way, I remember reading a psychoanalyst who was convinced that Rapunzel was all about pubic hair! Dearest Lin! Some of these psychoanalysts need help themselves. Most children at that age don't even have much if any pubic hair. I can't imagine children drawing that connection! I sure didn't!
I thought it was a little creepy that Rapunzel had such long hair though! And letting a prince climb up your hair! Wierd! Still i'll take Rapunzel over "King & King" anyday! The classical fairy tales are surrealistic and excite the imagination in comparison to the dull PC agenda stuff!
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jan 19, 2010 19:36:49 GMT
I object in particular to the propaganda homosexual fairy tales that mock heterosexually, as seen with the portrayal of the princesses in "King & King". The one thing that would worry me would be that the rejected princesses were mocked for their appearance as women. I haven't been able to find any images from the book apart from the cover, and those contained in this very hostile site: www.massresistance.org/docs/issues/king_and_king/book.htmlThe comment is that all the princesses are portrayed in a rather nasty manner. And the prince, of course, didn't like any of them. On this princess from Africa: "Boy, those long arms will certainly come in handy when waving to the people," said the prince.Well, the reference to the Indian princess's long arms could even be a bit racist - but she is as far as I can see rather better-looking than the prince himself, so perhaps not so nasty after all (and the people writing the comments are under the impression that Bombay is in Africa, so probably not to be taken very seriously). Thanks for the research Jean! I suspected the YouTube rendition of "King & King", which i posted earlier on this thread was not following the book 100%. The portrayal of the Princess from Texas crowing like a rooster to impress the Prince did seem over the top! I did try to find via Google search images of the rejected Princesses from the book "King & King", but so far no luck.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jan 19, 2010 19:37:38 GMT
I'm not posting this YouTube video below to be "insulting", but to show how sensitive the PC people are when they have to take their own sarcastic medicine! It's quite OK to portray people opposed to homosexual fairy tales for schoolchildren as raving, stupid bigots, but it's not OK to mock the pro-homo fairy tale people. Double standard??
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 19, 2010 19:57:39 GMT
I'm not posting this YouTube video below to be "insulting", but to show how sensitive the PC people are when they have to take their own sarcastic medicine! It's quite OK to portray people opposed to homosexual fairy tales for schoolchildren as raving, stupid bigots, but it's not OK to mock the pro-homo fairy tale people. Double standard?? the simple reality is that, just as it is the racists always screaming "racism", it is the true bigots always yelling "bigot" at someone else
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 19, 2010 20:33:53 GMT
Teachers know that to educate children they have to be honest that is EXACTLY what we want teachers to do, and that at which they are failing so miserably. I'm really sorry that your teachers in the USA are failing miserably, but that's not a problem particularly here in the UK. We have some excellent teachers, and some not so good ones, but thankfully, unlike the poor old USA, our teachers aren't on the whole 'failing miserably'. Or did you mean that by allowing children to know that homosexuality exists they are de facto 'failing miserably'? your teachers are failing miserably at the honesty just as ours are. obviously, kids SHOULD be taught that homosexuality exists so they can be trained to be wary of it. it is the dishonesty of not teaching them the fact that homosexuality is, at the very best, totally undesirable where the schools are failing the kids. it also adds the extra burden on the parents to undo the damage that the schools cause and teach their children the truth
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Post by riotgrrl on Jan 19, 2010 20:35:18 GMT
I'm really sorry that your teachers in the USA are failing miserably, but that's not a problem particularly here in the UK. We have some excellent teachers, and some not so good ones, but thankfully, unlike the poor old USA, our teachers aren't on the whole 'failing miserably'. Or did you mean that by allowing children to know that homosexuality exists they are de facto 'failing miserably'? your teachers are failing miserably at the honesty just as ours are. obviously, kids SHOULD be taught that homosexuality exists so they can be trained to be wary of it. it is the dishonesty of not teaching them the fact that homosexuality is, at the very best, totally undesirable where the schools are failing the kids Ah right. So you don't have any actual evidence or anything of teachers 'failing miserably'. It was just a rhetorical device you were using to emphasise to us just how much exactly you really hated homosexuality.
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Post by iamjumbo on Jan 19, 2010 20:38:30 GMT
Um, think that would be 118 (give or take) faults Iamjumbo And I think that to say the Bible isn't keen on cohabitation without marriage (or fornication if you don't want to fudge the issue) is an understatement. Anyone would think you were British making an understatement like that ;D Seems like you believe that one homosexual act is worse than 118 acts of fornication....yes? particularly in the case of males, absolutely YES
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