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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 2, 2010 13:21:06 GMT
why does the death sentence have to justified.....who says it has to be justified...we humans make the rules dont we.... you're quite right. it needs no justification. it is the responsibility of the antis to justify NOT having the death penalty. since there is NO intelligent or rational reason for not having it, antis can't justify it but of course, those who favor such an amoral position always try anyway
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Feb 2, 2010 22:44:51 GMT
In my experience, Anti DP advocates are masters of the specious argument. The most specious of all is their refrain that LWOP is less costly than the DP. Then there is the specious claim that some of the killers on death row are wrongly convicted innocents. Many of them would have opposed the timely execution of Adolph Hitler had we been given the opportunity.
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Post by lindylou on Feb 3, 2010 21:03:35 GMT
BushAdmirer (once again, I love that handle), releasing terrorists to Yeman, which is know to be a fertile ground for terrorists, is incredibly stupid. I just shake my head in utter disgust.
As for justification for the death penalty, I can sum it up in one word, JUSTICE.
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Post by mouse on Feb 3, 2010 22:14:38 GMT
BushAdmirer (once again, I love that handle), releasing terrorists to Yeman, which is know to be a fertile ground for terrorists, is incredibly stupid. I just shake my head in utter disgust. As for justification for the death penalty, I can sum it up in one word, JUSTICE. take a life wantonly and give up your life in return...basic but as you say....justice prescious little justice around these days and even less common sense
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 3, 2010 22:37:26 GMT
In my experience, Anti DP advocates are masters of the specious argument. The most specious of all is their refrain that LWOP is less costly than the DP. Then there is the specious claim that some of the killers on death row are wrongly convicted innocents. Many of them would have opposed the timely execution of Adolph Hitler had we been given the opportunity. of course, since those are the ONLY arguments that they have, aside from the ridiculously abjectly stupid touchy feely imbecillity about murderers being human beings and we shouldn't punish them, of course they go with the specious arguments you mention. of course, since there's no intelligent factual basis for them, they have no merit whatsoever either. the fact is that texas pays $86 for the drugs used to send a worthless piece of shyt to hell. the ONLY reason that it costs so much to keep a punk alive for twenty years is the nutjobs who insist on filing frivolous appeals. euroweenies don't want lwop either. the ignorant imbeciles on the so called world court were running their worthless yaps about lwop being inhumane. i guess it's once stupid, always stupid
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 3, 2010 22:38:37 GMT
BushAdmirer (once again, I love that handle), releasing terrorists to Yeman, which is know to be a fertile ground for terrorists, is incredibly stupid. I just shake my head in utter disgust. As for justification for the death penalty, I can sum it up in one word, JUSTICE. sadly, antis are unable to add, nor do they have any concept of what the word justice means
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 3, 2010 22:41:07 GMT
BushAdmirer (once again, I love that handle), releasing terrorists to Yeman, which is know to be a fertile ground for terrorists, is incredibly stupid. I just shake my head in utter disgust. As for justification for the death penalty, I can sum it up in one word, JUSTICE. take a life wantonly and give up your life in return...basic but as you say....justice prescious little justice around these days and even less common sense so true. there is very little of either justice or common sense in the european governments
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Post by lindylou on Feb 5, 2010 15:52:43 GMT
iamjumbo, you are "right on the money" when you say the reason the DP is so expensive is because of all the frivolous appeals. So many who are against the DP just can't seem to grasp this concept. I don't really think it is that difficult to understand. I also have a hard time with people who want to say lethal injection is inhumane. In many cases it is much more humane than the way the victim(s) died.
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 5, 2010 16:03:00 GMT
iamjumbo, you are "right on the money" when you say the reason the DP is so expensive is because of all the frivolous appeals. So many who are against the DP just can't seem to grasp this concept. I don't really think it is that difficult to understand. I also have a hard time with people who want to say lethal injection is inhumane. In many cases it is much more humane than the way the victim(s) died. NO intelligent person would try to claim that ANY method of execution ever used in the u.s. was cruel and unusual punishment. when the eighth amendment was written, the normal method of execution was no, or short, drop hanging, which resulted in the criminal choking to death for ten to twenty minutes. since, by definition, that is NOT cruel and unusual punishment, hanging, gas, electric chair, and certainly not lethal injection, cannot be claimed to violate the eighth amendment by any rational person
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Post by lindylou on Feb 5, 2010 21:58:25 GMT
Okay quick and simple. Third post--having problems with internet service as I'm in an area that is experiencing "a monster snow storm." Have satellite internet provider which is excellent most of the time...not with some disruptions to environment though.
I agree with you assessment iamjumbo. By the way, are you in the US? I'm in the state of Virginia which is second only to Texas in the number of executions performed every year. I honestly don't know how the people of California aren't in the streets rioting with the numbers on death row that their overburdened taxpayers have to support every year.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Feb 5, 2010 23:28:13 GMT
In the early days of the American west a posse would be formed to track down an escaping murderer or horse thief. When they caught him they'd look for a stout tree, sit him on his horse with a noose around his neck, and toss the rope over a tree limb. Just before they swatted the horse they would ask the criminal whether he had anything to say for himself. This served as his combined trial and appeals.
You might say that the pendulum of justice had swung a bit too far to one side. The criminal didn't get a jury trial or even a judge. His pleadings (appeals) usually fell on deaf ears.
At that brief moment in history, the anti's had a point. The DP really was being unfairly administered.
But now that pendulum has swung far over to the other side. We have no end of protections for the criminals, ahem, rights. Appeals seem to go on and on endlessly.
I'm not saying we need to get back to the horse, the rope, and the tree but perhaps a point halfway.
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Post by lindylou on Feb 7, 2010 19:25:24 GMT
Lots of snow outside, but the internet is back up and running...yea!
BushAdmirer, you're right about justice swinging too far the other way these days. Criminals are afforded way too many rights as far as I'm concerned. I wish I understood more about the justice process. I don't understand how a judge can allow some things to be brought into court and not others. Seems to me the evidence allowed by a judge can readily determine the outcome of a trial.
By the way, you mention the justice in the old West of days gone by. I see you are in Texas. Do you know anything about Judge Roy Bean? I read a while ago that he wasn't the "hanging judge" everybody today thinks he was??
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Post by iamjumbo on Feb 7, 2010 20:49:08 GMT
Lots of snow outside, but the internet is back up and running...yea! BushAdmirer, you're right about justice swinging too far the other way these days. Criminals are afforded way too many rights as far as I'm concerned. I wish I understood more about the justice process. I don't understand how a judge can allow some things to be brought into court and not others. Seems to me the evidence allowed by a judge can readily determine the outcome of a trial. By the way, you mention the justice in the old West of days gone by. I see you are in Texas. Do you know anything about Judge Roy Bean? I read a while ago that he wasn't the "hanging judge" everybody today thinks he was?? the judge has to follow the evidence code in making decisions on what should be allowed. the evidence code, as are all codes, is written by the legislature. you can't see it all when you look on the internet, but, if you went to the law library, and read west's or deerings annotated codes, you would see all the revisions that have been made to each code, as well as a synopsis of court decisions concerning them roy bean is not known as the hanging judge. that was judge parker in ft smith
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