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Post by mikemarshall on Apr 9, 2018 21:35:53 GMT
No, they do NOT. If everyone got what they deserved good people would prosper and bad ones would not. To say nothing of the dubious nature of whether cause and effect is even REAL - most scientists have long since regarded that as untrue. But of course even if cause and effect WAS real what 'cause' do you imagine made the Jews and gypsies 'deserve' to be murdered? There was NO 'cause' other than their ethnicity. And if you were sincere in your belief that 'everyone gets what they deserve' then you would have to say that the burglar 'got what he deserved.' So why do you shed crocodile tears for HIM yet CONDEMN a 78-year-old man with a disabled wife who killed him in self-defence? It is pure hypocrisy on your part and shows up how fundamentally insincere you are in everything you say. I am certainly not shedding crocodile tears. I Do care about what happens to people, as I know most of the things that are thought to be bad, needn't have happened, but are done in ignorance of the true facts. Both the burglar and the oap made a decision that was detrimental to their long range welfare, so will suffer the consequences of their action, if not straight away, then further down the track and that could be in any lifetime that will be of most benefit to them in regard to what lesson they have to learn. Do you seriously imagine that this 78-year old man would have killed ANYONE if the two burglars had not broken into his home where he was caring for his disabled wife? Only the BURGLARS are to blame for what happened. It is repellent to any NORMAL sensibility to blame the 78-year-old man in any way for what happened.
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Post by mikemarshall on Apr 9, 2018 21:39:17 GMT
No, they do NOT. If everyone got what they deserved good people would prosper and bad ones would not. To say nothing of the dubious nature of whether cause and effect is even REAL - most scientists have long since regarded that as untrue. But of course even if cause and effect WAS real what 'cause' do you imagine made the Jews and gypsies 'deserve' to be murdered? There was NO 'cause' other than their ethnicity. And if you were sincere in your belief that 'everyone gets what they deserve' then you would have to say that the burglar 'got what he deserved.' So why do you shed crocodile tears for HIM yet CONDEMN a 78-year-old man with a disabled wife who killed him in self-defence? It is pure hypocrisy on your part and shows up how fundamentally insincere you are in everything you say. YOU think that, because you are not aware of the true and full picture of the scheme of things. I have tried to explain this to you and others, but it is being ignored. So what can one do, we just go on in our ignorance It may appear that the person is getting away with their wickedness, but in reality this is not so. There IS such a thing as reincarnation, but you are unable to believe this in your present lifetime. We are all here for a purpose and according to how we perceive things from the events that occur in our lives, that is what we will come to believe. For me, as I am spiritually enlightened by some advanced Intelligence, whom I choose to think of as God, because I happen to believe what is written in the Bible and from my own experiences it seems that in this lifetime anyway we are not going to see eye to eye. Too bad.! No one who genuinely WAS 'spiritually enlightened' would go around CLAIMING to be that. Humility is one of the most obvious traits of the majority of saints. And the Eckist fantasies you espouse are NOT 'written in the Bible' and frankly the Bible is simply the work of men. It, no more than the writings of Twitchell and Klemp, represents anything BUT the results of human authorship.
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Post by donna on Apr 10, 2018 0:42:11 GMT
Karma is a load of dishonest bollocks. History - and the here and now - shows that evil nearly always wins out over good. Sometimes the best we can do is the lesser of two evils. But of course people who don't have normal human feelings wouldn't understand that. My feelings are quite normal, thankyou very much, I may even be more sensitive than normal, because when I hear of someone being killed unnecessarily, I shudder. It is horrible.!!! Well, all I can say as to that is as how what I see from you is dissing other people's suffering.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 10, 2018 13:11:37 GMT
My feelings are quite normal, thankyou very much, I may even be more sensitive than normal, because when I hear of someone being killed unnecessarily, I shudder. It is horrible.!!! Well, all I can say as to that is as how what I see from you is dissing other people's suffering. People cause their own suffering, by the decisions that they make and put into action. It eventually comes back to bite them in the rear end.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 15, 2018 0:37:37 GMT
My feelings are quite normal, thankyou very much, I may even be more sensitive than normal, because when I hear of someone being killed unnecessarily, I shudder. It is horrible.!!! Well, all I can say as to that is as qhow what I see from you is dissing other people's suffering. I think your brain needs retreading. Karma is all about fairness.!!! How can you see it any differently. Should anyone be able to do whatever they like and not be expected to suffer the consequences of their behaviour? You are not thinking straight. I see myself in another person's shoes, so feel for them.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 15, 2018 1:04:06 GMT
Everyone gets what they deserve, otherwise whatever happens to them, wouldn't. It's a case of cause and effect and we are all under the jurisdiction of that ruling. No, they do NOT. If everyone got what they deserved good people would prosper and bad ones would not. To say nothing of the dubious nature of whether cause and effect is even REAL - most scientists have long since regarded that as untrue. But of course even if cause and effect WAS real what 'cause' do you imagine made the Jews and gypsies 'deserve' to be murdered? There was NO 'cause' other than their ethnicity. And if you were sincere in your belief that 'everyone gets what they deserve' then you would have to say that the burglar 'got what he deserved.' So why do you shed crocodile tears for HIM yet CONDEMN a 78-year-old man with a disabled wife who killed him in self-defence? It is pure hypocrisy on your part and shows up how fundamentally insincere you are in everything you say. I was a slave in Egypt in one past life that I know, so what do you suppose I was in a previous past life? I was evidently a person in authority and had stood over other people. Being a slave made things right, but instead of hating my master, I ended up having a good relationship with him, so much so, that when I was given my freedom, I chose to stay and so continued to serve him. Hatred was replaced with love, I had learned my lesson, so had resolved the situation and was now free of the karma.
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Post by justbec on Apr 15, 2018 14:25:49 GMT
Sounds like someone here does some really good drugs...
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Post by mikemarshall on Apr 15, 2018 21:23:27 GMT
No, they do NOT. If everyone got what they deserved good people would prosper and bad ones would not. To say nothing of the dubious nature of whether cause and effect is even REAL - most scientists have long since regarded that as untrue. But of course even if cause and effect WAS real what 'cause' do you imagine made the Jews and gypsies 'deserve' to be murdered? There was NO 'cause' other than their ethnicity. And if you were sincere in your belief that 'everyone gets what they deserve' then you would have to say that the burglar 'got what he deserved.' So why do you shed crocodile tears for HIM yet CONDEMN a 78-year-old man with a disabled wife who killed him in self-defence? It is pure hypocrisy on your part and shows up how fundamentally insincere you are in everything you say. I was a slave in Egypt in one past life that I know, so what do you suppose I was in a previous past life? I was evidently a person in authority and had stood over other people. Being a slave made things right, but instead of hating my master, I ended up having a good relationship with him, so much so, that when I was given my freedom, I chose to stay and so continued to serve him. Hatred was replaced with love, I had learned my lesson, so had resolved the situation and was now free of the karma. You undoubtedly have a rich fantasy life. However, that in no way excuses your inability to deal with the reality of the world in which ordinary mortals live. And you have never explained how you imagine that six million Jews and a million gypsies deserved to be murdered by the Nazis. What kind of 'sins' do you imagine they committed in imaginary 'past lives' - even babies and infants being murdered? I find your past life nonsense simply a disgusting excuse for a lack of normal human empathy.
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Post by donna on Apr 17, 2018 1:09:58 GMT
You really have a distorted sense of what is and is not moral. If the burglar had murdered him - and he attacked both the 78-year old man and his disable wife - presumably you would have said that they both deserved it as punishment for 'sins' in 'past lives' and that it was their 'karma' to have been murdered. So why do you NOT feel that way about the killing - in self-defence - of a career criminal by two aged and virtually defenceless pensioners? Why is it only the VICTIMS of crime rather than the perpetrators to whom you assign this mythical karma of yours? Everyone gets what they deserve, otherwise whatever happens to them, wouldn't. It's a case of cause and effect and we are all under the jurisdiction of that ruling. You're just trying to bung me a load of old moody again. That rowlocks went out years ago.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 18, 2018 12:45:46 GMT
I was a slave in Egypt in one past life that I know, so what do you suppose I was in a previous past life? I was evidently a person in authority and had stood over other people. Being a slave made things right, but instead of hating my master, I ended up having a good relationship with him, so much so, that when I was given my freedom, I chose to stay and so continued to serve him. Hatred was replaced with love, I had learned my lesson, so had resolved the situation and was now free of the karma. You undoubtedly have a rich fantasy life. However, that in no way excuses your inability to deal with the reality of the world in which ordinary mortals live. And you have never explained how you imagine that six million Jews and a million gypsies deserved to be murdered by the Nazis. What kind of 'sins' do you imagine they committed in imaginary 'past lives' - even babies and infants being murdered? I find your past life nonsense simply a disgusting excuse for a lack of normal human empathy. I can't understand why intelligent people get it so wrong? I was born into this world too with all the normal emotions etc that one is born with, so why does everyone think that I have no empathy towards people who suffer? You couldn't get a more caring person than I am. I'm not the one responsible for all the wicked things that Hitler did. And because of my belief in reincarnation, everything that we each put into action is reciprocated in like manner throughout each lifetime. At some stage Soul has decided via the mind to put something into action which has not been considered good by wordly standards, and because of this has reaped the consequences of that action, hence the person has deserved it. We have done this because of ignorance of the truth of the true facts. I feel for all these people who died in the Holocaust, and wished that it hadn't happened. We ourselves are responsible for everything that happens in our lives, so untill we learn this, we will continue to suffer the consequences of what we have created in the past which is now showing itself. What I experience is not fantasy, It is really happening, so from my perspective, what you say is untrue and which is why you will stay ignorant to the real state of affairs that constitutes life.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 18, 2018 13:06:41 GMT
Everyone gets what they deserve, otherwise whatever happens to them, wouldn't. It's a case of cause and effect and we are all under the jurisdiction of that ruling. You're just trying to bung me a load of old moody again. That rowlocks went out years ago. Our senses are giving us different messages because we are each creating by our actions, a life that suits us.
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Post by mikemarshall on Apr 18, 2018 22:30:33 GMT
You undoubtedly have a rich fantasy life. However, that in no way excuses your inability to deal with the reality of the world in which ordinary mortals live. And you have never explained how you imagine that six million Jews and a million gypsies deserved to be murdered by the Nazis. What kind of 'sins' do you imagine they committed in imaginary 'past lives' - even babies and infants being murdered? I find your past life nonsense simply a disgusting excuse for a lack of normal human empathy. I can't understand why intelligent people get it so wrong? I was born into this world too with all the normal emotions etc that one is born with, so why does everyone think that I have no empathy towards people who suffer? You couldn't get a more caring person than I am. I'm not the one responsible for all the wicked things that Hitler did. And because of my belief in reincarnation, everything that we each put into action is reciprocated in like manner throughout each lifetime. At some stage Soul has decided via the mind to put something into action which has not been considered good by wordly standards, and because of this has reaped the consequences of that action, hence the person has deserved it. We have done this because of ignorance of the truth of the true facts. I feel for all these people who died in the Holocaust, and wished that it hadn't happened. We ourselves are responsible for everything that happens in our lives, so untill we learn this, we will continue to suffer the consequences of what we have created in the past which is now showing itself. What I experience is not fantasy, It is really happening, so from my perspective, what you say is untrue and which is why you will stay ignorant to the real state of affairs that constitutes life. In the first place, on your own 'principles' you might well have been Hitler in one of your previous existences. More fundamentally, you continue to fail to answer my question. Do you seriously believe that millions of Jews and gypsies deserved to be murdered? You have made comments previously that appear to take that attitude. Now either karma is the result of 'sins' in 'past lives' (in which case it is totally predetermined and it is impossible to assign praise or blame) or it is the result of bad actions in PRESENT lives. What you experience IS fantasy. It is as real to you as the delusions of a paranoid schizophrenic are to him or her but it is equally a purely PRIVATE experience that CANNOT be shared with others. You have no idea of MY experiences - inner or outer - and in any case any experience that cannot be shared can never constitute experience in the true sense of the word. From the perspective of the majority of the human race, what you say is untrue and YOU are the one who is ignorant of 'the real state of affairs that constitutes life.' You prefer to believe in your brainwashed superstitions; I prefer to deal on the basis of facts and logic. Your attitudes have been directly responsible for most of the crimes and oppressions of human history.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 21, 2018 16:01:39 GMT
I can't understand why intelligent people get it so wrong? I was born into this world too with all the normal emotions etc that one is born with, so why does everyone think that I have no empathy towards people who suffer? You couldn't get a more caring person than I am. I'm not the one responsible for all the wicked things that Hitler did. And because of my belief in reincarnation, everything that we each put into action is reciprocated in like manner throughout each lifetime. At some stage Soul has decided via the mind to put something into action which has not been considered good by wordly standards, and because of this has reaped the consequences of that action, hence the person has deserved it. We have done this because of ignorance of the truth of the true facts. I feel for all these people who died in the Holocaust, and wished that it hadn't happened. We ourselves are responsible for everything that happens in our lives, so untill we learn this, we will continue to suffer the consequences of what we have created in the past which is now showing itself. What I experience is not fantasy, It is really happening, so from my perspective, what you say is untrue and which is why you will stay ignorant to the real state of affairs that constitutes life. In the first place, on your own 'principles' you might well have been Hitler in one of your previous existences. More fundamentally, you continue to fail to answer my question. Do you seriously believe that millions of Jews and gypsies deserved to be murdered? You have made comments previously that appear to take that attitude. Now either karma is the result of 'sins' in 'past lives' (in which case it is totally predetermined and it is impossible to assign praise or blame) or it is the result of bad actions in PRESENT lives. What you experience IS fantasy. It is as real to you as the delusions of a paranoid schizophrenic are to him or her but it is equally a purely PRIVATE experience that CANNOT be shared with others. You have no idea of MY experiences - inner or outer - and in any case any experience that cannot be shared can never constitute experience in the true sense of the word. From the perspective of the majority of the human race, what you say is untrue and YOU are the one who is ignorant of 'the real state of affairs that constitutes life.' You prefer to believe in your brainwashed superstitions; I prefer to deal on the basis of facts and logic. Your attitudes have been directly responsible for most of the crimes and oppressions of human history. In what way? What you say is ridiculous. How could I ever have been Hitler, we are both existing in the same lifetime, plus I am a peace loving person, the complete opposite of what Hitler was. Hitler was Napoleon in a previous life. They both wanted to rule the world. I have no wish to rule the world. If you haven't had the experiences that I have had, there is no way that you can make assumptions one way or another as to their veracity, or whether fantasy or not. Every aspect of life fits in some way, and there are no mistakes. There is no way that I will ever be able to explain the truth to you as a non believer. We are each given spiritual enlightenment when we are ready to receive it, and not a moment sooner.
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Post by donna on Apr 21, 2018 17:26:01 GMT
In the first place, on your own 'principles' you might well have been Hitler in one of your previous existences. More fundamentally, you continue to fail to answer my question. Do you seriously believe that millions of Jews and gypsies deserved to be murdered? You have made comments previously that appear to take that attitude. Now either karma is the result of 'sins' in 'past lives' (in which case it is totally predetermined and it is impossible to assign praise or blame) or it is the result of bad actions in PRESENT lives. What you experience IS fantasy. It is as real to you as the delusions of a paranoid schizophrenic are to him or her but it is equally a purely PRIVATE experience that CANNOT be shared with others. You have no idea of MY experiences - inner or outer - and in any case any experience that cannot be shared can never constitute experience in the true sense of the word. From the perspective of the majority of the human race, what you say is untrue and YOU are the one who is ignorant of 'the real state of affairs that constitutes life.' You prefer to believe in your brainwashed superstitions; I prefer to deal on the basis of facts and logic. Your attitudes have been directly responsible for most of the crimes and oppressions of human history. In what way? What you say is ridiculous. How could I ever have been Hitler, we are both existing in the same lifetime, plus I am a peace loving person, the complete opposite of what Hitler was. Hitler was Napoleon in a previous life. They both wanted to rule the world. I have no wish to rule the world. If you haven't had the experiences that I have had, there is no way that you can make assumptions one way or another as to their veracity, or whether fantasy or not. Every aspect of life fits in some way, and there are no mistakes. There is no way that I will ever be able to explain the truth to you as a non believer. We are each given spiritual enlightenment when we are ready to receive it, and not a moment sooner. People believe different things. I'm a Christian but my mother is Jewish. She converted to Christianity when she married my father. I'm very conscious of my Jewish heritage and the history and suffering of the Jewish people. Now I'm a Christian and of course we don't believe in all this reincarnation/karma bollocks. We have one life on this earth and then (according to the Bible) we die and wait for the Resurrection of the Dead. You have to stop talking like only YOUR experiences matter. Speaking as someone who's met Holocaust survivors I have to say that your attitude is about as insensitive and callous towards their suffering as anything I can imagine. What the hell did little kids do to deserve what happened to them? Or what (choosing a non-Jewish example) did Mary Turner do to deserve to be murdered? She was heavily pregnant and not only did white racists hang her but they cut her unborn baby alive out of her body and murdered the infant as well. If you can't see that's just human beings being evil rather than some DESERVED PUNISHMENT for non-existent 'sins' in some previous NON-EXISTENT PAST LIFE you really are pathetic and despicable.
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Post by mikemarshall on Apr 21, 2018 21:56:36 GMT
In the first place, on your own 'principles' you might well have been Hitler in one of your previous existences. More fundamentally, you continue to fail to answer my question. Do you seriously believe that millions of Jews and gypsies deserved to be murdered? You have made comments previously that appear to take that attitude. Now either karma is the result of 'sins' in 'past lives' (in which case it is totally predetermined and it is impossible to assign praise or blame) or it is the result of bad actions in PRESENT lives. What you experience IS fantasy. It is as real to you as the delusions of a paranoid schizophrenic are to him or her but it is equally a purely PRIVATE experience that CANNOT be shared with others. You have no idea of MY experiences - inner or outer - and in any case any experience that cannot be shared can never constitute experience in the true sense of the word. From the perspective of the majority of the human race, what you say is untrue and YOU are the one who is ignorant of 'the real state of affairs that constitutes life.' You prefer to believe in your brainwashed superstitions; I prefer to deal on the basis of facts and logic. Your attitudes have been directly responsible for most of the crimes and oppressions of human history. In what way? What you say is ridiculous. How could I ever have been Hitler, we are both existing in the same lifetime, plus I am a peace loving person, the complete opposite of what Hitler was. Hitler was Napoleon in a previous life. They both wanted to rule the world. I have no wish to rule the world. If you haven't had the experiences that I have had, there is no way that you can make assumptions one way or another as to their veracity, or whether fantasy or not. Every aspect of life fits in some way, and there are no mistakes. There is no way that I will ever be able to explain the truth to you as a non believer. We are each given spiritual enlightenment when we are ready to receive it, and not a moment sooner. You appear incapable of recognising that your notion of 'karma' and 'reincarnation' is the most absolute form of determinism. It condemns someone - on the basis of alleged 'sins' in some assumed 'past life' - to be 'punished' for actions for which in this life - the ONLY life we KNOW - they cannot possibly be punished with any semblance of morality. It is condemning a new born child for the 'sins' of some presumed 'past life' and is at least as indefensible as the notion of 'original sin' Karma is an inflexible form of predestination and makes any kind of praise or blame irrational as everything is beyond the control of the individual. You really must attempt to master basic reasoning!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 22, 2018 0:26:58 GMT
In what way? What you say is ridiculous. How could I ever have been Hitler, we are both existing in the same lifetime, plus I am a peace loving person, the complete opposite of what Hitler was. Hitler was Napoleon in a previous life. They both wanted to rule the world. I have no wish to rule the world. If you haven't had the experiences that I have had, there is no way that you can make assumptions one way or another as to their veracity, or whether fantasy or not. Every aspect of life fits in some way, and there are no mistakes. There is no way that I will ever be able to explain the truth to you as a non believer. We are each given spiritual enlightenment when we are ready to receive it, and not a moment sooner. You appear incapable of recognising that your notion of 'karma' and 'reincarnation' is the most absolute form of determinism. It condemns someone - on the basis of alleged 'sins' in some assumed 'past life' - to be 'punished' for actions for which in this life - the ONLY life we KNOW - they cannot possibly be punished with any semblance of morality. It is condemning a new born child for the 'sins' of some presumed 'past life' and is at least as indefensible as the notion of 'original sin' Karma is an inflexible form of predestination and makes any kind of praise or blame irrational as everything is beyond the control of the individual. You really must attempt to master basic reasoning! Basic reasoning from your understanding, but as you are not aware of the full truth at this stage, you are wrong in your estimation. The Jews and Gypsies who died as a result of the Holocaust had a lesson to learn, as we all have. They evidently did something in a past life that was warranted and so 'died ' for it in this life time. Only the body dies, Soul lives on and returns to Earth again, being born to parents that are part and parcel of Its Karmic destiny, which unfolds as the body grows. Soul is given another opportunity to resolve issues that it has with other people, the closest ties being the most important. Karma can be considered good or bad, it is up to what the individual has created for itself. There is not such a thing as sin, just lessons to learn. Besides what is classed as karmic destiny, we have been given the ability to make choices, otherwise we would not be able to resolve anything. We can by our behaviour, make gradual changes in our lives that will lead to spiritual enlightenment, which will help us realise more of the real truth of what life represents and entails.
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Post by mikemarshall on Apr 22, 2018 0:29:15 GMT
You appear incapable of recognising that your notion of 'karma' and 'reincarnation' is the most absolute form of determinism. It condemns someone - on the basis of alleged 'sins' in some assumed 'past life' - to be 'punished' for actions for which in this life - the ONLY life we KNOW - they cannot possibly be punished with any semblance of morality. It is condemning a new born child for the 'sins' of some presumed 'past life' and is at least as indefensible as the notion of 'original sin' Karma is an inflexible form of predestination and makes any kind of praise or blame irrational as everything is beyond the control of the individual. You really must attempt to master basic reasoning! Basic reasoning from your understanding, but as you are not aware of thr full truth at this stage, you are wrong in your estimation. The Jews and Gypsies who died as a result of the Holocaust had a lesson to learn, as we all have. They evidently did something in a past life that was warranted and so 'died ' for it in this life time. Only the body dies, Soul lives on and returns to Earth again, being born to parents that are part and parcel of Its Karmic destiny, which unfolds as the body grows. Soul is given another opportunity to resolve issues that it has with other people, the closest ties being the most important. Karma can be considered good or bad, it is up to what the individual has created for itself. There is not such a thing as sin, just lessons to learn. Besides what is classed as karmic destiny, we have been given the ability to make choices, otherwise we would not be able to resolve anything. We can by our behaviour, make gradual changes in our lives that will lead to spiritual enlightenment, which will help us realise more of the real truth of what life represents and entails. The only 'lesson' to be learned from the Holocaust is that people who think they 'know' the 'truth' are the oppressors of the world and are to blame for most of the evil that is done. Quite honestly, the average professional criminal has more idea of what morality is than you do. I am almost on the point of losing my temper with you; your whole attitude to life disgusts me.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 22, 2018 0:38:40 GMT
In what way? What you say is ridiculous. How could I ever have been Hitler, we are both existing in the same lifetime, plus I am a peace loving person, the complete opposite of what Hitler was. Hitler was Napoleon in a previous life. They both wanted to rule the world. I have no wish to rule the world. If you haven't had the experiences that I have had, there is no way that you can make assumptions one way or another as to their veracity, or whether fantasy or not. Every aspect of life fits in some way, and there are no mistakes. There is no way that I will ever be able to explain the truth to you as a non believer. We are each given spiritual enlightenment when we are ready to receive it, and not a moment sooner. People believe different things. I'm a Christian but my mother is Jewish. She converted to Christianity when she married my father. I'm very conscious of my Jewish heritage and the history and suffering of the Jewish people. Now I'm a Christian and of course we don't believe in all this reincarnation/karma bollocks. We have one life on this earth and then (according to the Bible) we die and wait for the Resurrection of the Dead. You have to stop talking like only YOUR experiences matter. Speaking as someone who's met Holocaust survivors I have to say that your attitude is about as insensitive and callous towards their suffering as anything I can imagine. What the hell did little kids do to deserve what happened to them? Or what (choosing a non-Jewish example) did Mary Turner do to deserve to be murdered? She was heavily pregnant and not only did white racists hang her but they cut her unborn baby alive out of her body and murdered the infant as well. If you can't see that's just human beings being evil rather than some DESERVED PUNISHMENT for non-existent 'sins' in some previous NON-EXISTENT PAST LIFE you really are pathetic and despicable. All I am doing is giving my point of view on the subject that we happen to be discussing, is that not important? I'm not asking you to believe what I believe, i'm only giving you some insight in what I believe to be true according to the experiences that I have had, you can believe what you like.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 22, 2018 0:56:05 GMT
Basic reasoning from your understanding, but as you are not aware of the full truth at this stage, you are wrong in your estimation. The Jews and Gypsies who died as a result of the Holocaust had a lesson to learn, as we all have. They evidently did something in a past life that was warranted and so 'died ' for it in this life time. Only the body dies, Soul lives on and returns to Earth again, being born to parents that are part and parcel of Its Karmic destiny, which unfolds as the body grows. Soul is given another opportunity to resolve issues that it has with other people, the closest ties being the most important. Karma can be considered good or bad, it is up to what the individual has created for itself. There is not such a thing as sin, just lessons to learn. Besides what is classed as karmic destiny, we have been given the ability to make choices, otherwise we would not be able to resolve anything. We can by our behaviour, make gradual changes in our lives that will lead to spiritual enlightenment, which will help us realise more of the real truth of what life represents and entails. The only 'lesson' to be learned from the Holocaust is that people who think they 'know' the 'truth' are the oppressors of the world and are to blame for most of the evil that is done. Quite honestly, the average professional criminal has more idea of what morality is than you do. I am almost on the point of losing my temper with you; your whole attitude to life disgusts me. Gee.!!! I hope you are not, by close proximity, picking up some bad habits from your nearest and dearest. The detrimental vices by which we allow ourselves to be influenced, should be the first traits to master so that they no longer cause us to behave badly as it has no real benefit for our physical and mental health. I'm really surprised.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Apr 22, 2018 1:20:16 GMT
I was a slave in Egypt in one past life that I know, so what do you suppose I was in a previous past life? I was evidently a person in authority and had stood over other people. Being a slave made things right, but instead of hating my master, I ended up having a good relationship with him, so much so, that when I was given my freedom, I chose to stay and so continued to serve him. Hatred was replaced with love, I had learned my lesson, so had resolved the situation and was now free of the karma. You undoubtedly have a rich fantasy life. However, that in no way excuses your inability to deal with the reality of the world in which ordinary mortals live. And you have never explained how you imagine that six million Jews and a million gypsies deserved to be murdered by the Nazis. What kind of 'sins' do you imagine they committed in imaginary 'past lives' - even babies and infants being murdered? I find your past life nonsense simply a disgusting excuse for a lack of normal human empathy. On the contrary, I care too much.!!! You are all, from my perspective, being harmed by your refusal to consider what I am saying, even insulting me time and time again and all because I am trying to give you a little insight into what I know.
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