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Post by ariel on Nov 8, 2016 0:26:33 GMT
You don't know what you're talking about Londoners do not want to break away from being in Great Britain like you stated , that is complete BS One question, Ariel. Do you live in London? I do. And the simple fact is that while most Londoners (it varied from area to area - four areas voted to leave) voted to Remain - I and my wife were Leavers - there is not the slightest chance of London declaring independence. Scotland is a different matter; they have already had one independence referendum and the Scottish Nazi Party will continue its quest for an independent Scotland till Doomsday since that is their raison d'etre. But the idea that most Londoners - even immigrants - want 'independence' from the rest of Britain is a total fantasy. Now I freely admit that on issues about which people care passionately there will be disagreements. But name calling is no substitute for rational argument. I do not believe that any of our members here are 'benighted' however much I may disagree with them. And perhaps you should read the rules of this forum which do specify attack the post and not the poster. Please try to follow them. At present you are behaving like a female version of Donald Trump and that is not acceptable. I don't live in London (I actually lived there for 6 months when I was a child) but we have many close family friends who do. And they are very pointed about how destructive and irresponsible Brexit is. I live in this country - the U.S. - and about 60% of the population don't know a damn thing about this country and its governmental or financial mechanics. They just know that they're white and they don't get the "respect" anymore that was once automatic and obligatory. Same situation; different nation.
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Post by ariel on Nov 8, 2016 0:35:10 GMT
you clearly do not know what you are talking about , London does not want out of Great Britain LOL that gave me a laugh ! Trump and Brexit have nothing to do with each other , yet again ignorance has no bounds Ariel, if you seriously imagine that you hear 'xenophobic hatred and blame coming from Brits' on this forum I can only suggest that you read people's posts with greater attention - and perhaps a greater willingness to listen and be open-minded rather than rush to judgement? Now I do not believe that any member of this forum other than yourself has posted anything that could be considered xenophobic. One or two posters have displayed what in my opinion is religious bigotry; one or two have displayed tendencies towards what I regard as racism; but xenophobia - hatred of foreigners - is something which I have not observed any poster besides yourself engaging in. You appear to have a xenophobic (and myopic) view of Britain and its people which tends to display itself in a scattergun display of insults, a highly selective (and frequently mistaken) view of British history and frankly I am disappointed by your constant xenophobia. Please refrain. You might like to consider that there are millions of British people and that it is as irrational for you to demonise us all as it would be for me to demonise millions of Americans. And you are seriously mistaken if you imagine that Trumpism and Brexiteering are remotely similar except for their common rejection of the political establishment. (And the irony is that Trump is about as establishment a figure as one can imagine - a billionaire, a 'celebrity' and a man who is famous more or less simply for BEING famous). Now I ask you again; please moderate the TONE of what you post. Racism and xenophobia are NOT acceptable on here and will not be tolerated. Please try and engage in dialogue rather than sermonising. Oh, I listen and read very carefully. On this forum, nobody had been here except Anna (and Lin asked her to stop, even though she was posting to an audience of zero.) Maybe you socialize in rarified company, but that's a good example. It's not confined to your nation; we have Trumpsters. And, yes, the Brexit movement and the Trump movement have everything to do with each other. If you step back, it's easy to see.
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Post by ariel on Nov 8, 2016 0:53:47 GMT
you clearly do not know what you are talking about , London does not want out of Great Britain LOL that gave me a laugh ! Trump and Brexit have nothing to do with each other , yet again ignorance has no bounds Ariel, if you seriously imagine that you hear 'xenophobic hatred and blame coming from Brits' on this forum I can only suggest that you read people's posts with greater attention - and perhaps a greater willingness to listen and be open-minded rather than rush to judgement? Now I do not believe that any member of this forum other than yourself has posted anything that could be considered xenophobic. One or two posters have displayed what in my opinion is religious bigotry; one or two have displayed tendencies towards what I regard as racism; but xenophobia - hatred of foreigners - is something which I have not observed any poster besides yourself engaging in. You appear to have a xenophobic (and myopic) view of Britain and its people which tends to display itself in a scattergun display of insults, a highly selective (and frequently mistaken) view of British history and frankly I am disappointed by your constant xenophobia. Please refrain. You might like to consider that there are millions of British people and that it is as irrational for you to demonise us all as it would be for me to demonise millions of Americans. And you are seriously mistaken if you imagine that Trumpism and Brexiteering are remotely similar except for their common rejection of the political establishment. (And the irony is that Trump is about as establishment a figure as one can imagine - a billionaire, a 'celebrity' and a man who is famous more or less simply for BEING famous). Now I ask you again; please moderate the TONE of what you post. Racism and xenophobia are NOT acceptable on here and will not be tolerated. Please try and engage in dialogue rather than sermonising. I live in the U.S. In fact, I live in Manhattan, the melting pot of melting pots. Xenophobic is hardly a term that you can apply to me, try as you like. It's interesting how Brits have no problem lampooning Trump and laughing at "stupid Americans," but if anyone dares to inquire about your national problems (which mirror ours in many ways) you guys go insane. It happens every time. Maybe it's something that you should examine. You are clearly a thinking person. Is any subject too hot to discuss? And, yes, I get defensive and will always fight back when I am called ignorant, or that I don't know what I am talking about. I have actually studied my ass off on this subject. I had to. The area of my concentration in school goes right into the meat of this problem. And a serious problem it is. I don't have to discuss this any further. I have said what I have had to say. I hope that you give the same request to Gibby.
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Post by Big Lin on Nov 8, 2016 13:03:54 GMT
Ariel, I edited your post because you made a personal attack on another forum and one of its admins. That is against the rules as you've been told more than once.
Whatever beef you have with other forums please keep them off here.
Otherwise I'll have to keep editing your posts or moving them to Vendetta.
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Post by ariel on Nov 8, 2016 13:52:13 GMT
Ariel, I edited your post because you made a personal attack on another forum and one of its admins. That is against the rules as you've been told more than once. Whatever beef you have with other forums please keep them off here. Otherwise I'll have to keep editing your posts or moving them to Vendetta. That's great. Welcome back.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Nov 9, 2016 7:39:11 GMT
If people have a problem with what is being posted I'd advise them so stop reading it, self censorship so to speak, or rather not to speak. That's true, but once people resort to constant insults because they cannot defend their arguments (e.g. Fret) then all bets are off. H Ariel, when a person is one for peace no matter what anyone says or how often, you never say all bets are off. You either don't respond and let them talk to themselves. Or you say your piece in reply and just let what they have said to go over your head and don't take offence.
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Post by ariel on Nov 9, 2016 8:36:28 GMT
OK. I hear you!
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