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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 7:39:38 GMT
I guess we will all have to wait until we are dead to confirm anything either way Hi Gibby, Soul might know after it leaves the body but when it picks up another body, the mind takes over again. It is the mind that is ignorant. "Might" , no ones knows for sure
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 8, 2016 12:58:38 GMT
Hi Gibby, how do THEY know? I believe that the Intelligence responsible for the creation of life woud be pretty stupid if they didn't initiate a way of communicating with their creation (human beings), don't you think?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 8, 2016 13:09:48 GMT
Hi Gibby, Soul might know after it leaves the body but when it picks up another body, the mind takes over again. It is the mind that is ignorant. "Might" , no ones knows for sure Hi Gibby, Some people DO know, I have travelled up the tunnel that Soul travels when it dies. We in ECKANKAR can travel to spiritual dimensions. I have seen myself die in many past lives.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 18:35:29 GMT
"Might" , no ones knows for sure Hi Gibby, Some people DO know, I have travelled up the tunnel that Soul travels when it dies. We in ECKANKAR can travel to spiritual dimensions. I have seen myself die in many past lives. Sure you have ....
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2016 18:36:02 GMT
Hi Gibby, how do THEY know? I believe that the Intelligence responsible for the creation of life woud be pretty stupid if they didn't initiate a way of communicating with their creation (human beings), don't you think? No I don't think
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 9, 2016 9:51:47 GMT
Hi Gibby, how do THEY know? I believe that the Intelligence responsible for the creation of life woud be pretty stupid if they didn't initiate a way of communicating with their creation (human beings), don't you think? No I don't think Oh well.!!! Everything takes time.!!!
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Dec 9, 2016 13:31:21 GMT
Oh well.!!! Everything takes time.!!! There are only two kinds of people who associate with any religion. They are the scammer and the scammed. The original scammers had names like Mohammad, Jesus, Joseph Smith, and H Ron Hubbard. Some of the scammed are so thoroughly brainwashed that they choose to become clergymen and devote their lives to the scam. Modern day scammers are into religion for the money. Most all TV evangelists are like that. So are the so called mega churches such as Lakewood Church in Houston.
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Post by Big Lin on Dec 9, 2016 18:37:15 GMT
Out of interest, BA, what do you think is the motivation of organisations like A4A? (American Society for the Advancement of Atheism)
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Dec 10, 2016 1:25:30 GMT
Out of interest, BA, what do you think is the motivation of organisations like A4A? (American Society for the Advancement of Atheism) I don't know Lin. I've never heard of them. I'm more of an Agnostic than an Atheist. I don't dismiss the possibility that there might be some supernatural character up there in the sky watching our every action, I just think it is in the realm of the extremely remote and very unlikely possibilities. What I do believe to be true, with zero doubt, is that no one really knows, and that especially includes clergy, mullahs, imams, etc.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 10, 2016 16:41:56 GMT
Oh well.!!! Everything takes time.!!! There are only two kinds of people who associate with any religion. They are the scammer and the scammed. The original scammers had names like Mohammad, Jesus, Joseph Smith, and H Ron Hubbard. Some of the scammed are so thoroughly brainwashed that they choose to become clergymen and devote their lives to the scam. Modern day scammers are into religion for the money. Most all TV evangelists are like that. So are the so called mega churches such as Lakewood Church in Houston. Hi BushAdmirer, only the seekers will ever find out, they are the ones that are following instructions. Seek and ye shall find.
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Post by mikemarshall on Dec 12, 2016 22:40:00 GMT
There are only two kinds of people who associate with any religion. They are the scammer and the scammed. The original scammers had names like Mohammad, Jesus, Joseph Smith, and H Ron Hubbard. Some of the scammed are so thoroughly brainwashed that they choose to become clergymen and devote their lives to the scam. Modern day scammers are into religion for the money. Most all TV evangelists are like that. So are the so called mega churches such as Lakewood Church in Houston. Hi BushAdmirer, only the seekers will ever find out, they are the ones that are following instructions. Seek and ye shall find. The problem is not with the seekers; they by definition have open minds, accept that they have not 'found the truth' and are not dogmatic in their assertions. The problem is with the 'found ones;' those who have closed minds, believe that they (and they alone) have 'found the truth' and who are incapable of conceiving the possibility that they might be in error. This problem occurs with religious extremists, political extremists and even some followers of sporting teams!
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Dec 13, 2016 23:05:44 GMT
Most believers take the position that there must be a creator because our world is so complex in so many ways. Could a beautiful butterfly or space shuttle have happened by accident. I don't think so and neither do they. I can follow along with them up to that point, but where they lose me is when they try to jump from there to "Allah is the only god," or "The Pope is infallible."
I often ask them, "Who created this creator of yours? Surely he or she didn't happen by accident."
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 15, 2016 6:28:48 GMT
Most believers take the position that there must be a creator because our world is so complex in so many ways. Could a beautiful butterfly or space shuttle have happened by accident. I don't think so and neither do they. I can follow along with them up to that point, but where they lose me is when they try to jump from there to "Allah is the only god," or "The Pope is infallible." I often ask them, "Who created this creator of yours? Surely he or she didn't happen by accident." Hi BushAdmirer, Most religious people believe that there is only one Supreme God, they have just decided to use a different name, but it is the same God that is making itself known. We know the Pope is not infallible, but he has been given the position as if he were, just so everyone will have some leadership, and not be doing their own thing. It obviously hasn't worked, as now there are many different denominations. Whether we have made the right decisions, we no doubt will find out eventually.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 15, 2016 6:50:21 GMT
Hi Bush Admirer, I don't see why you think that Ministers of Religion are scammers. It is the career that they have been drawn to, not necessarily because of money, though we all need money in order to live in this modern world.
A church needs maintenance, and the people who maintain the building need to be paid. The Ministers need to be paid also.The poor are fed and different charitable organizations get their share. Ofcourse it is all about money, but not in the way that you seem to think. I don't see them as scammers.!!!
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 15, 2016 7:19:13 GMT
Hi Mike Marshall, It is the ones who are not seeking that have closed minds. The ones who are still listening to God are actually still seeking, they are seeking more enlightenment. As it is, the Bible states that we are seeing life as if through a glass darkly, which means we have to receive more enlightenment.
Those who have found God have started seeking and in seeking we will be given more understanding of the truth. It is ongoing, we who have found God need to be listening, if we are not, then yes we have closed our minds. I have been led by the Holy Spirit (ECK) to find ECKANKAR as all is explained, therefore we know how to receive more enlightenment. God still speaks to those who are istening.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 15, 2016 12:25:12 GMT
Hi Gibby, Because of ignorance psychiatrists have been taught to believe hearing voices is a mental illness, but that is not the truth. A Neuro Surgeon who knows how the brain works fell ill with a brain infection which put the part of the brain that is supposed to cause hallucinations out of action. He had an out of the body experience, which he reported after he recovered. He wrote a book about his experience entitled Proof of Heaven.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2016 17:13:10 GMT
Hi Gibby, Because of ignorance psychiatrists have been taught to believe hearing voices is a mental illness, but that is not the truth. A Neuro Surgeon who knows how the brain works fell ill with a brain infection which put the part of the brain that is supposed to cause hallucinations out of action. He had an out of the body experience, which he reported after he recovered. He wrote a book about his experience entitled Proof of Heaven. No , you're wrong mental illness is very real and the voices they hear are not
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Dec 16, 2016 10:00:15 GMT
Hi Gibby, Because of ignorance psychiatrists have been taught to believe hearing voices is a mental illness, but that is not the truth. A Neuro Surgeon who knows how the brain works fell ill with a brain infection which put the part of the brain that is supposed to cause hallucinations out of action. He had an out of the body experience, which he reported after he recovered. He wrote a book about his experience entitled Proof of Heaven. No , you're wrong mental illness is very real and the voices they hear are not Hi Gibby, think what you like, I believe different as does the NeuroSurgeon who has since changed his mind after receiving his experience. Which means according to you, all the people in the Bible who heard God's voice were mentally ill. Tell that to all the thousands of Christians.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 13:18:05 GMT
No , you're wrong mental illness is very real and the voices they hear are not Hi Gibby, think what you like, I believe different as does the NeuroSurgeon who has since changed his mind after receiving his experience. Which means according to you, all the people in the Bible who heard God's voice were mentally ill. Tell that to all the thousands of Christians. Thousands of people do suffer from mental illness , hearing voices that are not there is a symptom of psychosis . It appears then that God only exists in people's heads 🤔
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2016 13:19:15 GMT
No , you're wrong mental illness is very real and the voices they hear are not Hi Gibby, think what you like, I believe different as does the NeuroSurgeon who has since changed his mind after receiving his experience. Which means according to you, all the people in the Bible who heard God's voice were mentally ill. Tell that to all the thousands of Christians. One neurosurgeon ? Well I don't think that is going to be changing the whole premise of psychiatry lol
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