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Post by Big Lin on Jun 10, 2016 14:07:29 GMT
So many contradictions in Islam. Those two videos that Anna posted do a good job of laying them out for us. There are contradictions in every belief system; it's what happens when facts collide with opinions.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jun 10, 2016 16:09:31 GMT
So many contradictions in Islam. Those two videos that Anna posted do a good job of laying them out for us. There are contradictions in every belief system; it's what happens when facts collide with opinions. Facts are far and few between in every religion. Believers have ingested their particular brand of dogma. If religions depended on facts, there wouldn't, and couldn't, be any religions. There are only two ways to become a Muslim. The first is being born into a Muslim family, growing up around Mosques, and being thoroughly brainwashed from birth. The only other way is to be someone who is both extremely gullible and not very intelligent. Then, and only then, could you possible sign up for that huge load of nonsense that is the Quran. And that is the real deal.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 10, 2016 21:32:20 GMT
So many contradictions in Islam. Those two videos that Anna posted do a good job of laying them out for us. There are contradictions in every belief system; it's what happens when facts collide with opinions. Hi Big Lin, I have a complaint to make. There should be a create a post at the end of each page so that we can reply to a post. Some posts are much too long for using the quote symbol.
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Post by Big Lin on Jun 10, 2016 22:04:17 GMT
There are contradictions in every belief system; it's what happens when facts collide with opinions. Facts are far and few between in every religion. Believers have ingested their particular brand of dogma. If religions depended on facts, there wouldn't, and couldn't, be any religions. There are only two ways to become a Muslim. The first is being born into a Muslim family, growing up around Mosques, and being thoroughly brainwashed from birth. The only other way is to be someone who is both extremely gullible and not very intelligent. Then, and only then, could you possible sign up for that huge load of nonsense that is the Quran. And that is the real deal. BA, sometimes intelligence doesn't always go with logic. Whether or not Islam, Christianity or any other belief system (including capitalism) is good or bad is NOT a question of FACT. It's a question of OPINION. Now you can argue about whether or not any belief system (or any particular belief) is TRUE because that IS to a certain extent possible. So, for instance, I can (and do!) argue with certain types of Christians who believe that every word in the Bible is literally true and that the world was created about six thousand years ago and so on. Those things can be proved or disproved. But although you can argue against any belief system on moral grounds no moral statement can be 'true' or 'false.' So all questions of morality - and I have my own very passionate beliefs about what is and what is not moral - remain and always will remain questions of OPINION and NOT of fact.
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Post by Big Lin on Jun 10, 2016 22:05:16 GMT
There are contradictions in every belief system; it's what happens when facts collide with opinions. Hi Big Lin, I have a complaint to make. There should be a create a post at the end of each page so that we can reply to a post. Some posts are much too long for using the quote symbol. Why don't you copy and paste the bits you want to reply to (I do that sometimes and use bold text for the original to distinguish it from my reply)?
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 10, 2016 22:26:20 GMT
re copy and paste: I am using an IPhone, and don't know how to do that anyway. I'm a slow learner.!!! It is easer for me to have the words 'reply to topic' or 'create a post' at the end of each page. I hope it is there permanently. Thanks Big Lin. I hope that your husband is now on the mend. It is a worry when someone becomes ill. All the best to you and your family.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 10, 2016 22:44:29 GMT
Hi Bush Admirer, why do you think that some people are gullible and lacking in intelligence if they believe in the Koran? It is experiences in life that teach a person and promotes what they come to believe. That is why we all have different beliefs, which in turn makes us the person that we are.
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Post by DAS (formerly BushAdmirer) on Jun 10, 2016 23:58:09 GMT
Facts are far and few between in every religion. Believers have ingested their particular brand of dogma. If religions depended on facts, there wouldn't, and couldn't, be any religions. There are only two ways to become a Muslim. The first is being born into a Muslim family, growing up around Mosques, and being thoroughly brainwashed from birth. The only other way is to be someone who is both extremely gullible and not very intelligent. Then, and only then, could you possible sign up for that huge load of nonsense that is the Quran. And that is the real deal. BA, sometimes intelligence doesn't always go with logic. Whether or not Islam, Christianity or any other belief system (including capitalism) is good or bad is NOT a question of FACT. It's a question of OPINION. Now you can argue about whether or not any belief system (or any particular belief) is TRUE because that IS to a certain extent possible. So, for instance, I can (and do!) argue with certain types of Christians who believe that every word in the Bible is literally true and that the world was created about six thousand years ago and so on. Those things can be proved or disproved. But although you can argue against any belief system on moral grounds no moral statement can be 'true' or 'false.' So all questions of morality - and I have my own very passionate beliefs about what is and what is not moral - remain and always will remain questions of OPINION and NOT of fact. Lin - You are reinforcing my point that no religion is fact based. All are conjecture by mankind. None have any proofs, only opinions. The most devout offer old books as proofs, but those are very weak arguments with no factual basis. Capitalism is not a religion but may be a belief system. Unlike religions, Capitalism does have substantial evidence in support. Just look at the current standard of living in Capitalist countries and compare to Communist/Socialist countries like Cuba, Venezuela, etc. I think China today vs China under Chairman Mao offers the best proof that Capitalism really does work economic miracles. When China acquired Hong Kong from the Brits, they could see that Hong Kong was far more prosperous than Mao's China. Their government then let the genie out of the bottle. The results have been spectacular. China is now the supplier to the world, and all because they've embraced Capitalism and free trade.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 14, 2016 23:27:32 GMT
This Quran passage appears to threaten true moderate Muslims, e.g. those who accept parts of Islam and reject other parts, with the "severest of punishment" in the afterlife. SAHIH INTERNATIONAL QUOTE: Quran 2: 85 So do you believe in part of the Scripture and disbelieve in part? Then what is the recompense for those who do that among you except disgrace in worldly life; and on the Day of Resurrection they will be sent back to the severest of punishment. And Allah is not unaware of what you do. quran.com/2/85
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Post by blc on Jun 15, 2016 6:00:28 GMT
There are contradictions in every belief system; it's what happens when facts collide with opinions. Hi Big Lin, I have a complaint to make. There should be a create a post at the end of each page so that we can reply to a post. Some posts are much too long for using the quote symbol. There already is. Scroll down to the bottom and use the Quick Reply.
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Post by Scottish Lassie on Jun 20, 2016 5:19:04 GMT
That is strange BLC, Reply to topic seems to be there but when the posts are numbered from 1 to the amount of every post then it seems to be missing then and you are forced to press next. When you really want to post on the post before. Weird for sure.!!!
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jun 20, 2016 21:04:55 GMT
Racheel Raza, a true moderate Muslim speaks out against radical Islam and condemns political correctness which silences the outrage we should express against this growing threat by screaming Islamophobia and racism.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Jul 5, 2016 13:52:20 GMT
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Aug 2, 2016 10:11:33 GMT
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Aug 15, 2016 14:52:21 GMT
The Reformist Muslims who present their position above are the only real hope for Islam. The moderate Muslims with their passivity, silence and refusal to face uncomfortable issues are a huge disappointment for the world.
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Post by mikemarshall on Aug 15, 2016 22:37:22 GMT
The problem is not that moderate Muslims do not exist; not that they do not speak out; but that the media, with its own hidden agenda of fomenting hatred as an excuse for authoritarianism, suppresses their voices.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Aug 16, 2016 2:37:43 GMT
The problem is not that moderate Muslims do not exist; not that they do not speak out; but that the media, with its own hidden agenda of fomenting hatred as an excuse for authoritarianism, suppresses their voices. It's my hope that we won't have another neo-con special interest war in the Mideast. The male "refugees" again IMO are only enabled to immigrate to Europe so that there is no uprising against ISIS and the war agenda goes forward. The Globalists don't want Syria and Iraq to liberate their own countries. If American and Western European troops purge Syria + Iraq of ISIS marionette governments will be installed with private central interest or debt creating banks. Syrian and Iraqis leaders who oppose the one world governm,ent plan will likely be "war casualties.
The Reformists see the importance of having a Reformation like Christianity did and confronting the scriptures that ISIS uses to support it's actions. It saddens me that Lin's brother in law always felt any criticism of Islam on this forum was wrong. If Christianity can take criticism and stopped the inquisition more power to it.
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Post by mikemarshall on Aug 16, 2016 22:34:44 GMT
Yet again you make assumptions and put words into people's mouths, Anna.
At NO point did Lin or her brother-in-law suggest (here or elsewhere) that any criticism of Islam on this forum is wrong.
It is simply dishonest to pretend that we did.
I am growing extremely tired of the lack of objectivity on this subject.
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Post by ♫anna♫ on Aug 17, 2016 14:21:28 GMT
Yet again you make assumptions and put words into people's mouths, Anna. At NO point did Lin or her brother-in-law suggest (here or elsewhere) that any criticism of Islam on this forum is wrong. It is simply dishonest to pretend that we did. I am growing extremely tired of the lack of objectivity on this subject. Big Lin has made vague statements that a Muslim or Muslims find this forum to be anti-Muslim and refused to join. Whether or not her brother in law was involved is unclear.
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Post by mikemarshall on Aug 17, 2016 21:05:41 GMT
Anna, she did no such thing. She stated (quite correctly) that she had invited some Muslim friends of hers - all of them totally opposed to extremism and terrorism - and they were so appalled by the hate fest they saw that they refused to join.
As for our brother-in-law, YOU brought him up. Lin pointed out that he is anything BUT an extremist and in fact he was very disappointed that the military coup against Erdogan failed.
Now I am getting rather tired of personalization of threads.
Let us get back on topic please.
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